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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...ng-guilty.html

    Gordon Brown and Bernard Madoff are separated by a single detail – Bernie's pleading guilty

    Jeff Randall believes that the Prime Minister's mismanagement, which has brought us a dysfunctional state as well as financial disaster, will prove far more costly than any Ponzi scheme.

    What's the difference between Bernard Madoff and Gordon Brown? Answer: one has drained fortunes from gullible victims, plundering their income and savings to create an illusion of prosperity. The other is going to jail.

    Mr Madoff has thrown in the towel. His Ponzi scheme, whereby he needed to suck in ever greater quantities of other people's money in order to maintain a semblance of competence, collapsed under the weight of undeliverable expectations. Nobody knows for sure how much has gone missing, but Wall Street scribes are calling it a $65 billion fraud.

    Not bad for peddling fresh air. It is, however, a nickel-and-dime swindle when set alongside the
    12-year con trick perpetrated by Mr Brown on British taxpayers. That, too, has been a form of Ponzi, but with many more zeroes and little chance of the mastermind ending his days in what Americans call Crowbar Hotel.

    The Prime Minister is nothing if not a man of vaulting ambition, with a desire for power which, like Macbeth's, "o'er leaps itself". While Big Bucks Bernie was snaffling billions, Mr Brown had his sights trained on trillions.

    Five trillion, to be precise – that's £5,000,000,000,000 – which is how much Labour has taxed and spent since it came to power. In 1998-99 its Budget was £333 billion. By 2008-09, the Government's annual expenditure had grown to £618 billion. Every year, the sums required to shore up the house of cards became bigger and bigger. But while the good times rolled, too few cared to notice what was really going on.

    We await with trepidation this year's stab in the dark. On the basis that bad numbers take longer to add up than good ones, it is ominous that the Chancellor has put back his annual showpiece to April 22, the latest it has been for many years. One fears that fiscal discipline has been thrown over the fence, replaced by a confection of guesstimates, wishful thinking and spin.

    Though the scale of their operations was very different, the sales techniques of Mr Madoff and Mr Brown were remarkably similar. Mr Madoff persuaded clients that he owned the secret of everlasting growth, a way of defying financial gravity. His unique selling points were, yes, stability and prudence.

    So, while the returns of rivals bounced about in line with economic conditions, Mr Madoff kept producing a steady, above-average performance. Or so it seemed. He never claimed to have abolished boom and bust, but invited punters to infer that, thanks to his genius, this was indeed the case.

    Over the years, Mr Madoff stretched the credulity of his constituency well beyond what a rational man might have thought possible. Those who tipped cash into his coffers seemed anxious, in some cases perversely determined, not to ask difficult questions. The trompe l'oeil was too delicious to be questioned. For a while, fantasy economics passed for reality in New York and London.

    When the elastic finally snapped, so did Mr Madoff's resolve. Rather than conjure yet more elaborate excuses to cover the hole where his clients' investments were supposed to be, the old rogue confessed. He could no longer bear the strain of living a lie. Coming clean, it seems, was a relief.

    It's at this point that comparisons to Mr Brown come to an end. For not only is there no prospect of the Prime Minister pleading guilty, he refuses to acknowledge any aspect of his catastrophic mismanagement. It may seem impossible to believe, but Mr Brown, far from recognising that he has ruined Britain, still has plans to save the world.

    The astonishing element of Mr Madoff's magic is that, by all accounts, he made the money disappear. Investigators do not expect to find it stuffed under a Manhattan mattress or locked away in a Panamanian bank. They say that it has literally vanished. One minute it was in a Florida savings account, the next it was being propelled through the ether and beyond. Whoosh! Mr Madoff's loyal followers have been left with a whole lotta nuthin'.

    For the victims of Mr Brown, it's worse than that. Much worse. His legacy is not an empty box. If only it were that simple. What he will leave behind is a dysfunctional state, stripped of sovereignty, up to its eyeballs in so much debt that not even our children's children will be free from the burden.

    The misguided promotion of multiculturalism and open borders that marked the first and second phases of Labour's administration will continue to undermine social cohesion. Children in comprehensives will be handed debased certificates of success, while falling further behind pupils in grammar and independent schools. An unfunded pension system that is, in effect, an inverted pyramid of unaffordability will buckle and crack.

    The Prime Minister's shameless blaming of others for this mess has been rumbled. Even senior civil servants are spilling the beans. Hector Sants, chief executive of the Financial Services Authority, pointed to the Prime Minister's complicity in the economic crisis. He said there had been "a prevailing mindset of Government and society promoting the benefits of credit and asset inflation, notably in housing".

    Everywhere, there has been scandalous waste. But, as the banking system soaks up unimaginable sums, voters are suffering from "billions fatigue". They find it hard to put into context ministers' depredations of the public purse. When, as happened this week, the Public Accounts Committee calls a £500 million information system for prison officers "a spectacular failure" and "a masterclass in sloppy project management", we are not shocked.

    Attempts by critics to stem the flow of government profligacy are met with the predictable response from Downing Street that savings of any sort will mean job cuts, school closures and an abandonment of hospitals. This scare tactic may have worked in the last general election campaign, but looks risible now.

    On Newsnight, the ridiculous Yvette Cooper, Chief Secretary to the Treasury, kept a straight face while insisting that the Tories' proposed tax cut on pensioners' investments would mean an end to Britain's apprenticeship schemes. I mean, really! Who is feeding her this claptrap?

    The Prime Minister's nightmare is that his credibility is crumbling faster than the nation's finances. His timing is woeful. Between now and the next election just about every indicator of wellbeing will move in the wrong direction. Rising unemployment, bankruptcies and home repossessions will remind an ungrateful electorate how little it owes him.

    Bernie Madoff got away with it for so long because his clients wanted to believe in reward without risk, something for nothing. He told a US district judge: "I'm deeply sorry and ashamed for my crimes. I am painfully aware that I have hurt many, many people."

    Here, in the Court of Public Opinion, Mr Brown will show no such contrition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seneca View Post
    What's the difference between Bernard Madoff and Gordon Brown? Answer: one has drained fortunes from gullible victims, plundering their income and savings to create an illusion of prosperity. The other is going to jail.
    Very good. So what if we caught Madoff in year one? Like we're catching the exact thing you describe in my country with Pres. Obama? Or should we allow this exact circumstance to just continue to destroy us without doing anything, per the usual?

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    ahh yes the daily torygraph, well I suppose you could have used a more credible source, such as the BNP home page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    ahh yes the daily torygraph, well I suppose you could have used a more credible source, such as the BNP home page.
    Perhaps you would prefer Dolly Drapers pathetic "Labourlist". Or Polly Toynbees comical Ali rantings in the Al Guardian?

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    Jeff Randall is spot on.

    Jonah Brown and his New Labour scum have caused terminal damage to Britain. Our childrens children are going to be paying off Browns debt.

    1.3 Trillion to bail out the banks.

    That is £1,300,000,000,000

    This could have bought:

    1. 5,200 Super-Hospitals (like the new Royal Derby Hospital).

    2. 18,000 top-spec brand-new state schools.

    3. A brand-new rail network from London to the West Midlands, Liverpool and Manchester on a westerly branch and the East Midlands, Yorkshire, Newcastle, Glasgow and Edinburgh on an easterly branch, with new city centre stations. FORTY TIMES OVER!

    4. 430,000 miles of new motorway and still have enough money left to resurface every inch of Britain's crumbling road surfaces.

    Some correspondents claim Brown hasn't broken the law but is merely incompetent. I disagree - incompetence becomes a crime when it is taken to such an extreme against the public good.

    What more will it take to mobilise the people to the streets? We don't need an election, we need a damned people's revolution. We are being robbed blind and the only way it will stop is to throw off the apathy and be heard!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Incontinenta Buttox View Post
    Jeff Randall is spot on. Jonah Brown and his New Labour scum have caused terminal damage to Britain. Our childrens children are going to be paying off Browns debt. 1.3 Trillion to bail out the banks.
    The bank bailout, at least the first one was vital. However how that money has been used, and the banks behaviour since....is another matter all together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    The bank bailout, at least the first one was vital. However how that money has been used, and the banks behaviour since....is another matter all together.
    Yeah hyper inflation is definitely vital....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gideon Goldgod View Post
    Very good. So what if we caught Madoff in year one? Like we're catching the exact thing you describe in my country with Pres. Obama? Or should we allow this exact circumstance to just continue to destroy us without doing anything, per the usual?
    Wake up an read the article see the analogy then perhaps reply.

    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    ahh yes the daily torygraph, well I suppose you could have used a more credible source, such as the BNP home page.
    Sorry a broadsheet commentator isn't good, maybe you prefer the Sun or the Daily Mail.

    Tell you what I'll post daily mirror and star articles next to appeal for the rest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    LOL @ butter knives

    but yeah kids quit freaking the out, the world is not ending the money that we lost NEVER EXISTED.
    Indeed but we're fixing problems created with money that never existed with money that doesn't exist which will compound problems.



    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    When the economy was going up, everybody in Britain was cheering New Labor's policies.

    But when the dream of free money and wealth turns out to be just that, they look for a scapegoat.
    Yeah I wasn't, never have and never would have. You can check my post history for that.



    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    Yeah hyper inflation is definitely vital....
    Well apparently people love it and applaud it, hence we're taking short term 'possible' recovery in exchange for decades of stagnation.

    I actually like it. People might realise how socialism is in the next two decades when public service pensions fail then social security pensions fail then various other social institutions fail (which by the way is predicted by many UK analysts not my own wishful thinking)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seneca View Post



    Sorry a broadsheet commentator isn't good, maybe you prefer the Sun or the Daily Mail.
    No, the Telegraph is and always has been right wing and anti any goverent that is not ultra-consevative or neo-liberal. It is baised and basically propoganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    Yeah hyper inflation is definitely vital....
    Hyperinflation? We're experiencing deflation right now, damn near zero.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    cheers erik, for telling us all what we were/are thinking right?
    I agree with Seneca here, Erik was spot on. People love easy money, and proof of that is the extraordinary debt culture everyone built up, Labour and Brown convinced them that "boom and bust had been abolished", so they thought it's clean sailing until judgement day. Until the bubble burst that is....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    Hyperinflation? We're experiencing deflation right now, damn near zero.
    You should look more up into the economy. European currencies are falling because the worlds investors are afraid, and are pouring all of their money into the American dollar, creating an artificial rally. In time, this will stop, and the British pound, the American dollar and a few other currencies will see a massive rise in inflation.

    ^ Peter shiff/gerald celente.

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    Good luck revolting with butter knives.

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    LOL @ butter knives

    but yeah kids quit freaking the out, the world is not ending the money that we lost NEVER EXISTED.

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    Jonah Brown is the architect of a whole failed philosophy of Government who's been sitting for a decade like great fat toad at the centre of the organisation which has been reaching its counterproductive tendrils into every aspect of national life, during which we haven't got much richer, and we have become a lot more stressed, put upon, inspected, watched, fined and taxed. Now we're broke and he still doesn't think he needs to say "sorry". me, but the man's a useless, fat one-eyed joy-vacuum, intent only on keeping Labour in power with no regard to the huge damage his reverse-Midas touch has on the country. If he loved the country, which the treasonous toad clearly doesn't, he would do the honourable thing and go and have a word with the Queen, call an election, then kill himself. But I doubt he'd even manage that. The useless .

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    The top of the 7th inning must have just ended.
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    When the economy was going up, everybody in Britain was cheering New Labor's policies.

    But when the dream of free money and wealth turns out to be just that, they look for a scapegoat.



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    As a proud card carrying member of the nobama resistance movement. I feel your pain... If its any conciliation I think my liberal fascist government is making up numbers now. Tomorrow they will announce spending a gagillion on national healthcare reform.

    "Midway upon the journey of our life
    I found myself within a forest dark,
    For the straightforward pathway had been lost." Dante Alighieri

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giuliano Taverna View Post
    I think my liberal fascist government...[...]
    oxymoron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giuliano Taverna View Post
    As a proud card carrying member of the nobama resistance movement. I feel your pain... If its any conciliation I think my liberal fascist government is making up numbers now. Tomorrow they will announce spending a gagillion on national healthcare reform.

    They actually have cards for that now!?? Holy !
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    Something must be done to increase the transparency and accountability of our governments. I am especially looking at you Federal Reserve, Congress, and both Bush and Obama. Only they can so royally mess up our economy.

    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    oxymoron.
    In it's corrupted American sense not quite so.
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