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  1. March 12, 2009, 02:26 PM #1
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    Default Why is NATO seen in competition with an EU Military?

    They seem complimentary to me. NATO would benefit from an EU combined military as it will simplify command so that there is only three chains of command under NATO - US, Canadian and European instead of the 20 some today. Even if nations maintain their national forces, the EU troops can be used as Europe contributions to NATO (Eurocorps already does this). The EU combined military will be helped by NATO, since with one voice Europe will have more say in NATO, and can use the help of the US and Canada to support its forces.
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    Default Re: Why is NATO seen in competition with an EU Military?

    Because the EU are obviously the NWO
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    Default Re: Why is NATO seen in competition with an EU Military?

    Because with an EU military the need for NATO to protect the European states is gone.

    With no purpose, NATO would not last long.
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    Default Re: Why is NATO seen in competition with an EU Military?

    Because with an EU military the need for NATO to protect the European states is gone.

    With no purpose, NATO would not last long.
    Not to mention that NATO is dominated by the US.
    Why would we unite our militaries just to hand it to the US?
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    Default Re: Why is NATO seen in competition with an EU Military?

    Quote Originally Posted by IrishHitman View Post
    Not to mention that NATO is dominated by the US.
    Why would we unite our militaries just to hand it to the US?
    The Secretary General is Dutch and the Chairman of the Military Committee is Italian...

    All but the top levels on the military side are headed by Europeans.

    The Land Component     is led by a German.

    Allied Rapid Reaction Corps is led by a Brit.

    The German/Dutch Corps     led by a German

    Multinational Corps North East     is led by a Pole
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    Default Re: Why is NATO seen in competition with an EU Military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    The Secretary General is Dutch and the Chairman of the Military Committee is Italian...

    All but the top levels on the military side are headed by Europeans.
    That shows nothing.

    "but the top levels" is very telling as well.
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    Default Re: Why is NATO seen in competition with an EU Military?

    Quote Originally Posted by IrishHitman View Post
    That shows nothing.

    "but the top levels" is very telling as well.
    So the top levels of decision making are filled by Europeans, yet NAATO is dominated by the US .... what a neat and illogical way of thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishHitman View Post
    That shows nothing.

    "but the top levels" is very telling as well.
    The two Generals in charge of the two components which are subordinate to the NATO Military Committee (headed by an Italian) are American.

    The organization is headed by a Netherlander, its military component is headed by an Italian. Any action must be agreed upon unanimously by the Atlantic Council, which has members from each member.
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    Default Re: Why is NATO seen in competition with an EU Military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    The Secretary General is Dutch
    Yeah, LOL, and all he had to do to get the job was push the Netherlands into an illegal war America started and promise to always do exactly what America wants him to do.

    He's a puppet.

    NATO is definitely an American controlled organization.
    But then, the proposed EU army will be a Germany+France controlled organization, so it won't make any difference to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    Yeah, LOL, and all he had to do to get the job was push the Netherlands into an illegal war America started and promise to always do exactly what America wants him to do.

    He's a puppet.

    NATO is definitely an American controlled organization.
    But then, the proposed EU army will be a Germany+France controlled organization, so it won't make any difference to me.
    Iraq isn't a NATO operation, and Afghanistan is anything but illegal...

    And the leader during the beginning of Afghanistan was a Brit. And NATO can't do anything without a unanimous decision by the North Atlantic Council.
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    Default Re: Why is NATO seen in competition with an EU Military?

    Huh? There is no EU military!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    Huh? There is no EU military!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Force
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_battlegroups
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocorps
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofor
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helsinki_Headline_Goal
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishHitman View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Force
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_battlegroups
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocorps
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofor
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helsinki_Headline_Goal
    Laughable paper forces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    Laughable paper forces.
    Strange, those paper forces are currently deployed worldwide in peacekeeping roles.

    Imaginary troops are keeping the Serbs out of Kosovo, are they?

    But the thing is it seems that they acknowledge the importance of NATO...
    That doesn't mean I have to.
    Just because they can't see their nice little red white and blue collars doesn't mean anyone else can't...
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    Default Re: Why is NATO seen in competition with an EU Military?

    The only problem with the EU-branch, Farnan, is that the member countries of the European Union have too different opinions on how to run things. For example Denmark, Britain and the Netherlands are highly active NATO members who actually have the guts to deploy actually combat troops (unlike certain others) and would thus fit better with the Americans (and Canadians) than the Germans, Spanish, Italians, or French...
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    Default Re: Why is NATO seen in competition with an EU Military?

    Funny, Eurocorps serves under NATO at times...

    A Force for the European Union and the Atlantic Alliance
    http://www.eurocorps.org/
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    Default Re: Why is NATO seen in competition with an EU Military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Funny, Eurocorps serves under NATO at times...
    http://www.eurocorps.org/
    Well, the WEU was incorporated into the EU, and NATO is currently the official defence force of the EU...
    So it is unsurprising that Eurocorps would serve under NATO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishHitman View Post
    Well, the WEU was incorporated into the EU, and NATO is currently the official defence force of the EU...
    So it is unsurprising that Eurocorps would serve under NATO.
    But the thing is it seems that they acknowledge the importance of NATO...
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    the Germans, Spanish, Italians, or French...
    Erm, all of these are fighting in Afghanistan right now, either as active troops, peace-keepers or contributors. They might not have helped invade Iraq, but they don't have any ing business there, now do they?
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    Default Re: Why is NATO seen in competition with an EU Military?

    It's not as if the Europeans contribute troops to Nato anyway....



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