No slavery in the game?

[django333]

This seems like a pretty big omission considering how much slavery in this time period shaped the new world. I guess I can understand why they would choose not to include it but this is a game about history. Just because it's a negative part of history doesn't mean it should be left out. After all, if you don't learn from history you are doomed to repeat it right? Slavery was in M2TW (albeit minor) so why isn't it in this game. By the time the campaign starts slavery had been in the Americas for nearly 100 years. I think salvery could have added a lot the the campaign map and diplomacy part of the game.

[Corvic]

This seems like a pretty big omission considering how much slavery in this time period shaped the new world. I guess I can understand why they would choose not to include it but this is a game about history. Just because it's a negative part of history doesn't mean it should be left out. After all, if you don't learn from history you are doomed to repeat it right? Slavery was in M2TW (albeit minor) so why isn't it in this game. By the time the campaign starts slavery had been in the Americas for nearly 100 years. I think salvery could have added a lot the the campaign map and diplomacy part of the game.

it is in game, they just don't explicitly state it.

may I direct you to the enlightenment tech "abolition of slavery", causes farms to be more expensive to construct IIRC. But, you get happiness or some other bonus as a result.

[Nordmann]

Indeed, I doubt CA particularly wants to be sued, it's incredible how worked about people can get about a historical fact.

[django333]

Indeed, I doubt CA particularly wants to be sued, it's incredible how worked about people can get about a historical fact.

I don't see how they could be sued for including a historical fact in a game about history. If anything I am offended it isn't included. It's a slap in the face for people whose acestors were slaves.

[Nordmann]

I don't see how they could be sued for including a historical fact in a game about history. If anything I am offended it isn't included. It's a slap in the face for people whose acestors were slaves.

I doubt everyone would see it that way, some would undoubtedly start hurling the R word around. CA's playing it safe.

[Cathal]

I don't see how they could be sued for including a historical fact in a game about history. If anything I am offended it isn't included. It's a slap in the face for people whose acestors were slaves.

Yea.... Right.... I'll let you think about that statement for a bit.

[erasmus777]

Care to elaborate?

How is leaving out from a game the kidnapping and brutal exploitation of millions of people an insult to those people's descendents? If this were something for historical educational purposes, that would be different, but it's a form of entertainment.

[TSD]

I don't see how they could be sued for including a historical fact in a game about history. If anything I am offended it isn't included. It's a slap in the face for people whose acestors were slaves.

I agree, but some people in the far left crowd would just see a game where the nation you play can have slaves end of story they won't care about the context or that its a historical game or anything, you may as well be playing Early American Southern Plantation Tycoon.

I mean did you see the uproar caused over Mass Effect from the far right? I saw a thing on fox news where this chick is talking about all this full frontal nudity, doom and gloom for our children crap, there's like a 30 second clip in the game of "implied" sex you don't see a damn thing. The guy that was debating them from spike TV asked her if she played the game "uh...no" then where the F do you get off.

[shadyrome]

Indeed, I doubt CA particularly wants to be sued, it's incredible how worked about people can get about a historical fact.

Sue for what? This is what really happened in real life.. You don't see history channel get sue?

[leemyster]

Sue for what? This is what really happened in real life.. You don't see history channel get sue?

yeah but the history channel you watch slavery. In ETW your playing with slavery like slaves are just a tradeable good. I doubt CA want to give the impression that slaves are just as i daid tradeable goods as slavery is a terrible thing as the effects of slavery still live on today e.g. america would most likely be almost all white if it werent for slavery.

Anyway, if your so desperate for slavery to be incorporated i guess the twcenter community will make some mods that will make slavery an integeral part of a factions economy and administration.

[Ludicus]

... twcenter community will make some mods that will make slavery an integeral part of a factions economy and administration.

Slavery was an integral part of world´s economic system.

[shadepanther]

Indeed, I doubt CA particularly wants to be sued, it's incredible how worked about people can get about a historical fact.

Just ask Paradox Games about Hearts of Iron and China.

[Heartfire]

Maybe the British and Americans should be able to draft Line Infantry that is made up of slaves. I bet other countries did that too, I just can't name any right now.

[django333]

Maybe the British and Americans should be able to draft Line Infantry that is made up of slaves. I bet other countries did that too, I just can't name any right now.

I could be wrong but I don't think that happend until the civil war. And then they weren't used as line infantry.

does it matter, it's game anyway.

It's a game based on the 17th century. Slavery was a huge part of life during the 17th century. So yes. it matters.

[Remo]

Indeed, I doubt CA particularly wants to be sued, it's incredible how worked about people can get about a historical fact.

Sued by who? lol

One of the last surviving slaves?

It's sad, people allways complain about the slave trade. Yet nobody EVER talks about how bad the Jews had it...

[Marine Hoplite]

Sued by who? lol

One of the last surviving slaves?

Well, considering that slavery of the time would really have been huge (trade wise) in the middle eastern muslim nations if they really portrayed it accurately they could probably expect to get sued by CAIR in the US and their equivilant organisation in almost every country in the world.

Even though the lawsuit would be nothing more than a shakedown/blackmail/intimidation it would still be troublesome and expensive.


And now that I think about it, I seem to remember reading that slavery was'nt outlawed in some ME nations til around the 80s, as in the 1980s. I suppose that's possible too! lol

[Arch_23]

I don't think ETW is a game that would benefit from controversy. I figure that's why they left out the opium trade.

[Marcus Fulvius]

Indeed, I doubt CA particularly wants to be sued, it's incredible how worked about people can get about a historical fact.

sometimes you can take the risk.

if anyone has played the last couple civilization games by sid meier... they both not only had slavery as a map resource, but as a major economic policy.

hell, the civilization game that wasn't made by sid meier even allowed you to make slaver units to go around and enslave enemy units you captured.

[anaztazioch]

Indeed, I doubt CA particularly wants to be sued, it's incredible how worked about people can get about a historical fact.

WTF ?
Its about money !
"hey the game has slavary, i fear for the psychological state of my child, 10 000$ can recompansate the visits to specialists and another 20 000 for the distaste of showing such things"
:/

I mean, people call police couse Burger King restaurant ran out of lemonade or fries...

[Dagon]

WTF ?
Its about money !
"hey the game has slavary, i fear for the psychological state of my child, 10 000$ can recompansate the visits to specialists and another 20 000 for the distaste of showing such things"
:/

I mean, people call police couse Burger King restaurant ran out of lemonade or fries...

I'm not sure about the lawsituation. Could somebody enlighten me if US-law can affect a british company? If CA has offices in the US they should just close them and tell the people that want to sue them to come over to the UK. Nobody gets rediculous amounts of money in the EU law system for silly lawsuits in Europe.