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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7938277.stm

    Israel row derails Obama nominee



    The Obama administration's candidate for a top US intelligence post has withdrawn, after his past criticism of Israel came under heavy fire.

    Charles Freeman had been named to head the National Intelligence Council, which produces security assessments. But his comments about Israel, as well as links to China and Saudi Arabia, had enraged dozens of US lawmakers. Mr Freeman said he did not think the council could work effectively "while its chair was under constant attack". It is the latest embarrassment for President Barack Obama, who has seen a number of appointees withdraw or forced out. Some observers are interpreting it as a test case of the Obama administration's willingness to stand up to powerful pro-Israeli forces in US politics.

    'Strong views'

    National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair - who originally selected Mr Freeman for the post - said he was accepting his resignation "with regret". Only hours earlier he had been defending him as a "person of strong views, of an inventive mind and the analytical point of view", which Mr Blair said he preferred to "pre-cooked" judgements. Mr Freeman has served as a former ambassador to Saudi Arabia, a senior diplomat in China and an assistant secretary of defence. His background and past statements had caused dozens of members of Congress - mainly Republican - to question his appointment.

    Among their stated concerns were:

    • Remarks attributed to Mr Freeman in 2007, in which he said: "The brutal oppression of the Palestinians by Israeli occupation shows no signs of ending," and "American identification with Israel has become total"
    • His position on the international advisory board of a Chinese state-owned oil company
    • His presidency of the Middle East Policy Council, a think-tank that received funding from Saudi Arabia.

    On Monday, all seven members of the Senate Intelligence Committee sent a letter to Mr Blair expressing consternation about his appointment. They joined a chorus of complaint from members of the House of Representatives. Several of them applauded his withdrawal, including Democratic Senator Charles Schumer. "Charles Freeman was the wrong guy for this position. His statements against Israel were way over the top and severely out of step with the administration," he said in a statement.

    'Libellous distortions'

    In a message posted on the website of Foreign Policy magazine, Mr Freeman said he believed the "barrage of libellous distortions of my record would not cease upon my entry into office..."I do not believe the National Intelligence Council could function effectively while its chair was under constant attack by unscrupulous people with a passionate attachment to the views of a political faction in a foreign country".
    He said the incident showed "Americans cannot any longer conduct a serious public discussion or exercise independent judgment about matters of great importance". And he blamed the campaign against him on the "Israel Lobby", which he said used tactics which "plumb the depths of dishonour and indecency". The NIC releases influential annual national intelligence assessments, supposed to reflect the consensus of multiple different US intelligence agencies. But they are not always without controversy - such as a 2002 assessment which concluded that Iraq was continuing to produce weapons of mass destruction, and which helped the Bush administration justify the case for war.

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    lol? All he said was "The brutal oppression of the Palestinians by Israeli occupation shows no signs of ending," and "American identification with Israel has become total" = end of career?

    I consider the Saudi 'links' null and void. Seeing as the US government has consistently gives Saudi Arabia the most money and fuels their religious barbarism and worldwide program of replacing Islam with Wahhabism, in addition to going to war with Saddam to defend it.




    See here on for the other side of the argument, a good bit of research.
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...50#post4663150

    By edders.

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    Two points: First, this isn't an isolated case of Freeman saying one slightly critical thing in one email. It's a pattern of speech and debate transcripts that Freeman's critics percieve as characterizing a generally anti-Israel viewpoint. Agree or disagree with his assertions, trying to characterize this as some kind of witch-hunt over a slip of the tongue is misleading.

    Secondly, if people bothered with a few minutes of research they'd come across a variety of stumbling blocks Freeman has faced over his appointment. I don't have the source right now but as one pro-Israel critic of freeman put it, the hubaloo over Israel threw up all kinds of outstanding issues over Freeman's history. Let's start with a Washington Times Editorial:

    Yet Chas Freeman, now undergoing vetting for the position of chair of the National Intelligence Council, thinks - rather astoundingly - that what is going on in Tibet is the fault of the United States. In remarks made last April, in which he infamously referred to the March 2008 Tibetan uprisings as "race riots," Freeman stated that "the level of patriotic indignation in China against posturing by American and European politicians over Tibet is already so high that a long-term clamp-down in Tibet seems inevitable."

    Freeman is employing a classic "blame America" formula, saying the Chinese repression in Tibet is caused by the fact that concerned humanitarians in the West have drawn attention to it. He took a similar line in assessing the cause of the 9/11 attacks, as he stated in 2005: "What 9/11 showed is that if we bomb people, they bomb back." Freeman seems to have a problem with the law of cause and effect. Perhaps he believes that "American posturing" caused the invasion of Tibet 60 years ago.

    In Freeman's world, those who protest against such human rights tragedies simply have over-active imaginations. In remarks made in March 2007 he noted that "those who wish America to go abroad in search of monsters to destroy can always find one worthy of our attention there. China has become a screen on which Americans can project both our reveries and our nightmares." And those who speak out in support of the rights of the Tibetan minority are wasting their time because "Chinese proponents of Tibetan independence are rarer than British advocates of discarding Wales."

    We have taken a strong stand against the appointment of Chas Freeman to the post of chairman of the National Intelligence Council, in particular because of his worrisome financial ties to foreign governments, particularly China and Saudi Arabia. His persistent failure to even acknowledge the incontestable human rights calamity in Tibet reconfirms our conviction that he is the wrong man for the job. Human rights advocates, oppressed minorities and other suffering peoples around the world may well ask what other tragedies he may dismiss as irrelevant, or as the justifiable response of authoritarian regimes to Western meddling.
    http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009...-chas-freeman/

    Now for Newsweek: http://www.newsweek.com/id/188725

    A former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Freeman has faced questions over the past two weeks about financial ties between members of the Saudi royal family and the Middle East Policy Council (MEPC), a Washington think tank he heads that has been critical of U.S. support for Israeli government policies. But Pelosi's objections reportedly focused on Freeman's ties to China. A well-placed Democratic source said Pelosi, a strong supporter of the Chinese human-rights movement, was incensed about public remarks that Freeman once made that seemed to justify the violent 1989 Chinese government crackdown on democracy protesters at Tiananmen Square. The source, who asked not to be identified, said Pelosi thought Freeman's views were "indefensible" and complained directly to President Obama about his selection.

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    But Pelosi in particular was upset about public comments that seemed to belittle the Chinese human-rights movement—a cause she has championed for years. In 2005, for instance, Freeman was quoted as writing in a public e-mail about the Tiananmen Square massacre: "[T]he truly unforgivable mistake of the Chinese authorities was the failure to intervene on a timely basis to nip the demonstrations in the bud … In this optic, the Politburo's response to the mob scene at 'Tian'anmen' stands as a monument to overly cautious behavior on the part of the leadership, not as an example of rash action.

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    "I do not believe it is acceptable for any country to allow the heart of its national capital to be occupied by dissidents intent on disrupting the normal functions of government, however appealing to foreigners their propaganda may be," he added. "Such folk, whether they represent a veterans' 'Bonus Army' or a 'student uprising' on behalf of 'the goddess of democracy' should expect to be displaced with despatch [sic] from the ground they occupy."
    And here is the full email, according to The Weekly Standard:

    "From: CWFHome@cs.com [mailto:CWFHome@cs.com]
    Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:29 PM

    I will leave it to others to address the main thrust of your reflection on Eric's remarks. But I want to take issue with what I assume, perhaps incorrectly, to be yoiur citation of the conventional wisdom about the 6/4 [or Tiananmen] incident. I find the dominant view in China about this very plausible, i.e. that the truly unforgivable mistake of the Chinese authorities was the failure to intervene on a timely basis to nip the demonstrations in the bud, rather than -- as would have been both wise and efficacious -- to intervene with force when all other measures had failed to restore domestic tranquility to Beijing and other major urban centers in China. In this optic, the Politburo's response to the mob scene at "Tian'anmen" stands as a monument to overly cautious behavior on the part of the leadership, not as an example of rash action.

    For myself, I side on this -- if not on numerous other issues -- with Gen. Douglas MacArthur. I do not believe it is acceptable for any country to allow the heart of its national capital to be occupied by dissidents intent on disrupting the normal functions of government, however appealing to foreigners their propaganda may be. Such folk, whether they represent a veterans' "Bonus Army" or a "student uprising" on behalf of "the goddess of democracy" should expect to be displaced with despatch from the ground they occupy. I cannot conceive of any American government behaving with the ill-conceived restraint that the Zhao Ziyang administration did in China, allowing students to occupy zones that are the equivalent of the Washington National Mall and Times Square, combined. while shutting down much of the Chinese government's normal operations. I thus share the hope of the majority in China that no Chinese government will repeat the mistakes of Zhao Ziyang's dilatory tactics of appeasement in dealing with domestic protesters in China.

    I await the brickbats of those who insist on a politically correct -- i.e. non Burkean conservative -- view.

    Chas"

    THE WEEKLY STANDARD published Freeman's entire email. Freeman described how the Chinese leadership saw those events, and then seconded their assessment. He agreed that the protests were intolerable and that the government had only done what was, in his view, necessary to end the standoff. Freeman wasn't taken out of context, and it's deeply dishonest for Freeman and his friends to claim otherwise.
    Newsweek again:

    In a letter to the House Intelligence Committee late week, Blair had insisted that Saudi government contributions to the MEPC accounted for "no more than one twelfth" of the Middle-East Policy Council's annual $600,000 budget. But that figure omitted any reference to reportedly extensive contributions from a number of Saudi princes and others closely tied to the Saudi government. For example, during a trip that Freeman made to Riyadh in 2007, Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal—a member of the Saudi royal family—met with Freeman and pledged $1 million to support the council's "general purpose activities" and another $100,000 for an educational program run by the group, according to a March 19, 2007, account in Al-Riyadh, a Saudi newspaper. The paper's story was accompanied by a photograph of the meeting between Freeman and the prince.
    and another mainstream media source:

    In reference to the Iraq war, Freeman said, "Now the United States has brought the Palestinian experience -- of humiliation, dislocation, and death -- to millions more in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    "By invading Iraq, we transformed an intervention in Afghanistan most Muslims had supported into what looks to them like a wider war against Islam. We destroyed the Iraqi state and catalyzed anarchy, sectarian violence, terrorism and civil war in that country."
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...man-nic-chair/


    So whatever your position on Freeman's opinions, it should be clear that he faces plenty of opposition over issues without the slightest relation to Israel (unless you're one of those people that thinks America would be A-OK with Saudi Wahabbis were it not for its relationship with the Jewish state). Republicans would raise hell over his position on Iraq (as they've done before), whilst figures from both parties were unimpressed by his comments on 9/11, or his stance on (and relationship with) China and Saudi Arabia.

    On a final note, just thought I'd say to those who are being overly critical of Kb8 - I disagree with a lot of what he says too, but it's also clear he's pretty damn patriotic and pro-western (if a westerner can be pro-western...whatever, you know what I mean) - moreso than a lot of other people on this board - so cut him some slack before going off on a rant.
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    There are even more examples, ridiculouse offcourse...

    (Take that Clinton!)
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    Why is it that I'm called radical for criticizing Islam, but every damn Muslim on this board doesn't hold back on their vitriolic criticism of anything to do with Jew's?

    Everyone has their prejudice KB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    Why is it that I'm called radical for criticizing Islam, but every damn Muslim on this board doesn't hold back on their vitriolic criticism of anything to do with Jew's?

    Everyone has their prejudice KB.
    That's rubbish
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    You should not complain, you can't find much more westernised muslims than him and you are still whining...
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    No American can say jack about (bleep)ing Israel! Didn't they [Israel] just get caught spying on the US again...this year or late last year?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    Why is it that I'm called radical for criticizing Islam, but every damn Muslim on this board doesn't hold back on their vitriolic criticism of anything to do with Jew's?
    Like the other person said, most rational people don't see what you do as simply "criticizing."
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    Theres been wierd stuff concerning israel and spying, i remember on 9/11, it was all over the news that five israelis across the hudson river dancing and cheering and celebrating when the towers collapsed, who knows its all way too suspicious, but what i want to know is, these israelis said they was documenting the events, i want to know how they knew it was going to happen.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...eisraelis.html
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    That's why I suggest arming the Palestinians/et al to a comparable level (nuclear) and letting the region resolve its' own differences...

    I'm sure we can get just as much benifit from being unconditional allies to the Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese or Jordanians...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    Why is it that I'm called radical for criticizing Islam, but every damn Muslim on this board doesn't hold back on their vitriolic criticism of anything to do with Jew's?

    Everyone has their prejudice KB.
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    i cant find it anywhere in the US constitution about it being a Israeli vassal; i did however, find this good article on the fact that this act of witchhunting Freeman is indicative of the Israeli gov. and AIPAC's impending fall.
    Noone can deny the fact that AIPAC and various other far right pro israeli lobbies have gone from being pure lobbyists into something akin to character assassins and even conspirators:
    Quote Originally Posted by Freeman
    The tactics of the Israel lobby plumb the depths of dishonor and indecency and include character assassination, selective misquotation, the willful distortion of the record, the fabrication of falsehoods, and an utter disregard for the truth... The aim of this lobby is control of the policy process through the exercise of a veto over the appointment of people who dispute the wisdom of its views
    sourcE:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Is the Israel lobby running scared?
    By Robert Dreyfuss

    Is the Israel lobby in Washington an all-powerful force? Or is it, perhaps, running scared?

    Judging by the outcome of the Charles "Chas" Freeman affair this week, it might seem as if the Israeli lobby is fearsome indeed. Seen more broadly, however, the controversy over Freeman could be the Israel lobby's Waterloo.

    Let's recap. On February 19, Laura Rozen reported at ForeignPolicy.com that Freeman had been selected by Admiral Dennis Blair, the director of national intelligence, to serve in a key post as chairman of the National Intelligence Council (NIC). The



    NIC, the official in-house think-tank of the intelligence community, takes input from 16 intelligence agencies and produces what are called "national intelligence estimates" on crucial topics of the day as guidance for Washington policymakers.

    For that job, Freeman boasted a stellar resume: fluent in Mandarin Chinese, widely experienced in Latin America, Asia, and Africa, a former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War, and an ex-assistant secretary of defense during the Ronald Reagan administration.

    A wry, outspoken iconoclast, Freeman had, however, crossed one of Washington's red lines by virtue of his strong criticism of the US-Israeli relationship. Over the years, he had, in fact, honed a critique of Israel that was both eloquent and powerful. Hours after the Foreign Policy story was posted, Steve Rosen, a former official of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), launched what would soon become a veritable barrage of criticism of Freeman on his right-wing blog.

    Rosen himself has already been indicted by the Department of Justice in an espionage scandal over the transfer of classified information to outside parties involving a colleague at AIPAC, a former official in Donald Rumsfeld's Pentagon, and an official at the Israeli embassy. His blog, Obama Mideast Monitor, is hosted by the Middle East Forum website run by Daniel Pipes, a hard-core, pro-Israeli rightist, whose Middle East Quarterly is, in turn, edited by Michael Rubin of the American Enterprise Institute. Over approximately two weeks, Rosen would post 19 pieces on the Freeman story.

    The essence of Rosen's criticism centered on the former ambassador's strongly worded critique of Israel. (That was no secret. Freeman had repeatedly denounced many of Israel's policies and Washington's too-close relationship with Jerusalem. "The brutal oppression of the Palestinians by the Israeli occupation shows no sign of ending," said Freeman in 2007. "American identification with Israel has become total.")

    But Rosen, and those who followed his lead, broadened their attacks to make unfounded or exaggerated claims, taking quotes and e-mails out of context, and accusing Freeman of being a pro-Arab "lobbyist", of being too closely identified with Saudi Arabia, and of being cavalier about China's treatment of dissidents. They tried to paint the sober, conservative former US official as a wild-eyed radical, an anti-Semite, and a pawn of the Saudi king.

    From Rosen's blog, the anti-Freeman vitriol spread to other right-wing, Zionist, and neo-conservative blogs, then to the websites of neo-conservative mouthpieces like the New Republic, Commentary, National Review, and the Weekly Standard, which referred to Freeman as a "Saudi puppet".

    From there, it would spread to the Atlantic and then to the op-ed pages of the Wall Street Journal, where Gabriel Schoenfeld called Freeman a "China-coddling Israel basher", and the Washington Post, where Jonathan Chait of the New Republic labeled Freeman a "fanatic".

    Before long, staunch partisans for Israel on Capitol Hill were getting into the act. These would, in the end, include Representative Steve Israel and Senator Charles Schumer, both New York Democrats; a group of Republican House members led by John Boehner of Ohio, the minority leader, and Eric Cantor of Virginia, the Republican Whip; seven Republican members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence; and, finally, Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, who engaged in a sharp exchange with Admiral Blair about Freeman at a Senate hearing.

    Although Blair strongly defended Freeman, the two men got no support from an anxious White House, which took (politely put) a hands-off approach. Seeing the writing on the wall - all over the wall, in fact - Freeman came to the conclusion that, even if he could withstand the storm, his ability to do the job had, in effect, already been torpedoed.

    Whatever output the NIC might produce under his leadership, as Freeman told me in an interview, would instantly be attacked. "Anything that it produced that was politically controversial would immediately be attributed to me as some sort of political deviant, and be discredited," he said.

    On March 10, Freeman bowed out, but not with a whimper. In a letter to friends and colleagues, he launched a defiant, departing counterstrike that may, in fact, have helped to change the very nature of Washington politics. "The tactics of the Israel lobby plumb the depths of dishonor and indecency and include character assassination, selective misquotation, the willful distortion of the record, the fabrication of falsehoods, and an utter disregard for the truth," wrote Freeman. "The aim of this lobby is control of the policy process through the exercise of a veto over the appointment of people who dispute the wisdom of its views."

    Freeman put it more metaphorically to me: "It was a nice way of, as the Chinese say, killing a chicken to scare the monkeys." By destroying his appointment, Freeman claimed, the Israel lobby hoped to intimidate other critics of Israel and US Middle East policy who might seek jobs in the Obama administration.

    On triumphs, hysteria and mobs
    It remains to be seen just how many "monkeys" are trembling. Certainly, the Israel lobby crowed in triumph. Daniel Pipes, for instance, quickly praised Rosen's role in bringing down Freeman: "What you may not know is that Steven J Rosen of the Middle East Forum was the person who first brought attention to the problematic nature of Freeman's appointment," wrote Pipes. "Within hours, the word was out, and three weeks later Freeman has conceded defeat. Only someone with Steve's stature and credibility could have made this happen."

    The Zionist Organization of America, a far-right advocacy group that supports Israel, sent out follow-up "Action Alerts" to its membership, ringing further alarm bells about Freeman as part of a campaign to mobilize public opinion and Congress. Behind the scenes, AIPAC quietly used its considerable clout, especially with friends and allies in the media. And Chuck Schumer, who had trotted over to the White House to talk to Rahm Emanuel, President Obama's chief of staff, later said bluntly:
    Charles Freeman was the wrong guy for this position. His statements against Israel were way over the top and severely out of step with the administration. I repeatedly urged the White House to reject him, and I am glad they did the right thing.
    Numerous reporters, including Max Blumenthal at the Daily Beast website and Spencer Ackerman of Firedoglake, have effectively documented the role of the Israel lobby, including AIPAC, in sabotaging Freeman's appointment.

    From their accounts and others, it seems clear that the lobby left its fingerprints all over Freeman's NIC corpse. (Indeed, Time magazine's Joe Klein described the attack on Freeman as an "assassination", adding that the term "lobby" doesn't do justice to the methods of the various lobbying groups, individuals, and publications: "He was the victim of a mob, not a lobby. The mob was composed primarily of Jewish neo-conservatives.")

    On the other hand, the Washington Post, in a near-hysterical editorial, decided to pretend that the Israel lobby really doesn't exist, accusing Freeman instead of sending out a "crackpot tirade". Huffed the Post, "Mr Freeman issued a two-page screed on Tuesday in which he described himself as the victim of a shadowy and sinister 'Lobby'... His statement was a grotesque libel."

    The Post's case might have been stronger, had it not, just one day earlier, printed an editorial in which it called on Attorney General Eric Holder to exonerate Steve Rosen and drop the espionage case against him. Entitled "Time to Call It Quits", the editorial said:
    The matter involves Steven J Rosen and Keith Weissman, two former officials for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC ... A trial has been scheduled for June in the US District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia. Mr Holder should pull the plug on this prosecution long before then.
    In his interview with me, Freeman noted the propensity members of the Israel lobby have for denying the lobby's existence, even while taking credit for having forced him out and simultaneously claiming that they had nothing to do with it. "We're now at the ludicrous stage where those who boasted of having done it and who described how they did it are now denying that they did it," he said
    Running scared
    The Israel lobby has regularly denied its own existence even as it has long carried on with its work, in stealth as in the bright sunlight. In retrospect, however, l'affaire Freeman may prove a game changer. It has already sparked a new, more intense mainstream focus on the lobby, one that far surpasses the flap that began in March, 2006, over the publication of an essay by John Mearsheimer and Steven Walt in the London Review of Books that was, in 2007, expanded into a book, The Israel Lobby.

    In fact, one of the sins committed by Freeman, according to his critics, is that an organization he headed, the Middle East Policy Council, published an early version of the Mearsheimer-Walt




    thesis - which argued that a powerful, pro-Israel coalition exercises undue influence over American policymakers - in its journal.

    In his blog at Foreign Policy, Walt reacted to Freeman's decision to withdraw by writing:
    For all of you out there who may have questioned whether there was a powerful 'Israel lobby', or who admitted that it existed but didn't think it had much influence, or who thought that the real problem was some supposedly all-powerful 'Saudi lobby', think again.
    What the Freeman affair brought was unwanted, often front-page attention to the lobby. Writers at countless blogs and websites - including yours truly, at the Dreyfuss Report - dissected or reported on the lobby's assault on Freeman, including Daniel Luban and Jim Lobe at Antiwar.com, Glenn Greenwald in his Salon.com column, MJ Rosenberg of the Israel Peace Forum, and Phil Weiss at Mondoweiss.

    Far more striking, however, is that for the first time in memory, both the New York Times and the Washington Post ran page-one stories about the Freeman controversy that specifically used the phrase "Israel lobby", while detailing the charges and countercharges that followed upon Freeman's claim that the lobby did him in.

    This new attention to the lobby's work comes at a critical moment, which is why the toppling of Freeman might be its Waterloo.

    As a start, right-wing partisans of Israel have grown increasingly anxious about the direction that President Barack Obama intends to take when it comes to US policy toward Israel, the Palestinians, Iran, and the Middle East generally. Despite the way, in the middle of the presidential campaign last June, Obama recited a pro-Israeli catechism in a speech at AIPAC's national conference in Washington, they remain unconvinced that he will prove reliable on their policy concerns. Among other things, they have long been suspicious of his reputed openness to Palestinian points of view.

    No less important, while the appointments of Hillary Clinton as his secretary of state and Rahm Emanuel as his chief of staff were reassuring, other appointments were far less so. They were, for instance, concerned by several of Obama's campaign advisers - and not only Robert Malley of the International Crisis Group and former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, who were quietly eased out of Obamaland early in 2008.

    An additional source of worry was Daniel Shapiro and Daniel Kurtzer, both Jewish, who served as Obama's top Middle East aides during the campaign and were seen as not sufficiently loyal to the causes favored by hardline, right-wing types.

    Since the election, many lobby members have viewed a number of Obama's top appointments, including Shapiro, who's taken the Middle East portfolio at the National Security Council, and Kurtzer, who's in line for a top State Department job, with great unease. Take retired Marine general and now National Security Advisor James L Jones, who, like Brzezinski, is seen as too sympathetic to the Palestinian point of view and who reputedly wrote a report last year highly critical of Israel's occupation policies; or consider George Mitchell, the US special envoy to the Middle East, who is regarded by many pro-Israeli hawks as far too level-headed and even-handed to be a good mediator; or, to mention one more appointment, Samantha Power, author of A Problem from Hell and now a National Security Council official who has, in the past, made comments sharply critical of Israel.

    Of all of these figures, Freeman, because of his record of blunt statements, was the most vulnerable. His appointment looked like low-hanging fruit when it came to launching a concerted, preemptive attack on the administration. As it happens, however, this may prove anything but a moment of strength for the lobby. After all, the recent three-week Israeli assault on Gaza had already generated a barrage of headlines and television images that made Israel look like a bully nation with little regard for Palestinian lives, including those of women and children. According to polls taken in the wake of Gaza, growing numbers of Americans, including many in the Jewish community, have begun to exhibit doubts about Israel's actions, a rare moment when public opinion has begun to tilt against Israel.

    Perhaps most important of all, Israel is about to be run by an extremist, ultra right-wing government led by Likud Party leader Bibi Netanyahu, and including the even more extreme party of Avigdor Lieberman, as well as a host of radical-right religious parties. It's an ugly coalition that is guaranteed to clash with the priorities of the Obama White House.

    As a result, the arrival of the Netanyahu-Lieberman government is also guaranteed to prove a crisis moment for the Israel lobby. It will present an enormous public-relations problem, akin to the one that faced advertising agency Hill & Knowlton during the decades in which it had to defend Philip Morris, the hated cigarette company that repeatedly denied the link between its products and cancer. The Israel lobby knows that it will be difficult to sell cartons of menthol smooth Netanyahu-Lieberman 100s to American consumers.

    Indeed, Freeman told me:
    The only thing I regret is that in my statement I embraced the term 'Israel lobby'. This isn't really a lobby by, for, or about Israel. It's really, well, I've decided I'm going to call it from now on the [Avigdor] Lieberman lobby. It's the very right-wing Likud in Israel and its fanatic supporters here. And Avigdor Lieberman is really the guy that they really agree with.
    So here's the reality behind the Freeman debacle: Already worried over Team Obama, suffering the after-effects of the Gaza debacle, and about to be burdened with the Netanyahu-Lieberman problem, the Israel lobby is undoubtedly running scared. They succeeded in knocking off Freeman, but the true test of their strength is yet to come.

    Robert Dreyfuss is an independent investigative journalist in Alexandria, Virginia. He is a regular contributor to Rolling Stone, the Nation, the American Prospect, Mother Jones and the Washington Monthly. He is also the author of Devil's Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam (Henry Holt/Metropolitan). He writes the Dreyfuss Report blog for the Nation magazine.

    (Copyright 2009 Robert Dreyfuss.)

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    Who mentioned Jews?

    For the record, you do more than ''criticise Islam''..... I criticise Islam....

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    Who mentioned Jews?

    For the record, you do more than ''criticise Islam''..... I criticise Islam....
    Man, you don't think the rest of the board doesn't notice your inherent bias? Not that theres anything wrong with that, you are only a man afterall...

    Criticism is still criticism regardless of degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    Man, you don't think the rest of the board doesn't notice your inherent bias?
    I'll be quick and frank with you mate. I couldn't give two shiny what the rest of the board thinks.

    Criticism is still criticism regardless of degree.
    Criticism crosses a line at some point in the sand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icefrisco View Post
    Of course the Jews dominate the government, right? 13 senators, 30 house representatives, and some lobbyists supposedly launched this campaign against him? I guess the Jews are so powerful in our government that they no longer need to publicize their campaigns in the media. That must explain why neither CNN, Fox, NBC, ABC, or any other network is talking about how bad of a guy Mr. Freeman is.

    Am I the only person that seems to think this entire news story is just plain stupid?
    Who mentioned Jews? There are more Evangelical Christian nut jobs in the Pro-Israeli lobby than there are Jews. I don't see the constant need to merge Jews and Israel together. I have found in my experience Jews and Israel are not attached at the hip, hell from what I have experienced they are offended by the very hint of it.

    There is a legitimate aura of forbidden ground in criticising Israel in Capitol Hill.

    This annoys me, as this means Ron Paul will never get a government post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    Who mentioned Jews?
    Don't you know?

    Israel = Judaism = Israel.
    So anyone criticizing Israel is therefore an anti-Semite Nazi scumbag.

    Now, be good and send Israel some more of your hard earned tax money.



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    From the article:
    And he blamed the campaign against him on the "Israel Lobby", which he said used tactics which "plumb the depths of dishonour and indecency".
    Of course the Jews dominate the government, right? 13 senators, 30 house representatives, and some lobbyists supposedly launched this campaign against him? I guess the Jews are so powerful in our government that they no longer need to publicize their campaigns in the media. That must explain why neither CNN, Fox, NBC, ABC, or any other network is talking about how bad of a guy Mr. Freeman is.

    Am I the only person that seems to think this entire news story is just plain stupid?

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    Not exactly surprising.

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    I don't think he should be fired because he criticised a country. Besides alot of gov't officials do it in alot of countries. Different story if the person said something Anti-semetic..

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    Just shows how media on that side of pond reinterpets things, the real problem with him was his finance ties to Saudi and Chinese goverment...not his stance on Israel which was probably icing on the cake. Sorry but you dont want someone on national security who has issues with money ties to foreign goverments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    Just shows how media on that side of pond reinterpets things, the real problem with him was his finance ties to Saudi and Chinese goverment...not his stance on Israel which was probably icing on the cake. Sorry but you dont want someone on national security who has issues with money ties to foreign goverments.
    Why then was his criticism of Israel a feature in the decision, and a feature in the speeches of those applauding his fall-on-his=sword?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    Why then was his criticism of Israel a feature in the decision, and a feature in the speeches of those applauding his fall-on-his=sword?
    Because they are going to be the most vocal? Come on you know damn well the hint of Israel will have people on one side screaming THE JEWS ARE AT IT AGAIN followed closely by YOU NAZI! People love drama. The fact remains however the primary reasons covered by the media during all this has been the money thing not the Israel thing. Of course it doesnt matter the rabid morons already have their mind sets, his withdraw will be viewed by them as Israel runs america and to the other side it will be viewed as a victory against a jew hater.

    Just look at this thread, its going to turn into same crap really getting tired of the mudpit and this stuff think its time to ponder "retirement".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    Why then was his criticism of Israel a feature in the decision, and a feature in the speeches of those applauding his fall-on-his=sword?
    Of course theres a notion of relevance for any high end Government job. You have to have a degree of tacitness when you go into the Government, especially when you criticize a long term allies approach to a long term, ethnic/religious conflict. He stepped over the grounds, weather it was Israeli or not is not pertinent. The simple fact is he overstepped his bounds.

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