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    A new book called Dead Aid by the African authoress Dambisa Moyo raises the provocative claim that far from helping the development of Africa, western aid is holding it back. Bear in mind that she does not refer to emergency relief (e.g. in the case of Ethiopian famine) but rather the billions of dollars given in general aid to Africa every year by western governments.

    First, she debunks the old explanations for Africa’s underdevelopment. It has a poor climate when compared to places like Europe, with many jungles etc; Brazil too has many jungles, why then is it not so economically backward. Many African nations are landlocked making trade difficult; Austria, Switzerland etc are also landlocked yet have booming trade (by comparison, I’m aware of the current economic climate). There are many fractious tribal groups in Africa making cohesive government near impossible; India also has many, many different groups yet has one of the fastest growing economies. Africans are lazy, they lack the drive and enterprise to invigorate their continent; Moyo herself is African yet has been educated at some of the foremost universities of the world including Harvard.

    Moyo highlights that many relief efforts are counter-productive. For instance, there are many mosquitoes in Africa so naturally local people like to have mosquito nets. So an African man decides to produce some. He employs 10 people to help him, each of these people has a large family of 10 dependents but this steady income helps them provide for them. Then, however, some celebrity or otherwise hears that there are not enough mosquito nets in this particular part of Africa; so what do they do? That’s right, they send over a few hundred. The African businessman goes bust, and a year later the nets have worn out and no one replaces them, the celebrity has already done their good deed for the African people. Further, some estimates place that 85% of the aid does not go to the people who need it most, and that much of it just props up the various African despots.

    So what does Moyo suggest we do; cease aid immediately. Instead we should trade and invest in Africa if we hope to help it develop, even if this does sometimes bring claims from liberals and left-wingers of economic imperialism. We should use cheap African labour to produce cheap clothes etc. China already does, and is investing heavily in roads and infrastructure. Granted, I’m sure Africa’s vast oil reserves aren’t its biggest concern, rather than the well-being of the African people, but it’s still doing it. Further, if aid stops then so does a great deal of funding for the African despots.

    So, what are people’s opinions on this? Are you inclined to agree with Moyo that western aid is damaging Africa, or do you perhaps feel that we are not sending enough? What are your views on how Africa could move forward? What’s holding it back?

    Btw, an article in yesterday’s British Daily Mail prompted my creation of this thread. Also, opinions and perspectives from all people of all nations are welcome on this, as long as they’re civil.
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    First to vote!! I think the west needs to rethink how it goes about supporting the african nations. There is nothing wrong with aiding refugees who have been attacked by ruthless warlords and the hungry poor. But somewhere I read that the governments themselves were to blame for a large chunk of this aid not getting to them. I think there needs to be a kind of Force here. Can't be half-assed.

    Or just sit around without sending help until they all die of AIDS, hunger, or a bullet.

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    Yes. They will never learn to help themselves if they continue to receive aid from other countries.

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    At the same time if we discontinue the proper kind of aid we'll get resource wars.
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    Oops, I meant to vote yes. Yes, they're like spoiled children, with AKs (With the possible exception of S. Africa, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco e.t.c)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alakasam View Post
    Oops, I meant to vote yes. Yes, they're like spoiled children, with AKs (With the possible exception of S. Africa, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco e.t.c)

    Yep its all their fault that when Europe left they left a huge power vacuum filled with two-bit warlords.

    Its also Africa's fault that Europe pitted ethnic groups against each other in order to gain easier control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Yep its all their fault that when Europe left they left a huge power vacuum filled with two-bit warlords.

    Its also Africa's fault that Europe pitted ethnic groups against each other in order to gain easier control.
    I never said that.
    Even then, I have worded that wrong, the monetary aid is, a lot of the time if not most, going to warlords. This is counter-productive, there needs to be a rather drastic change in policy, seeing as it has not worked so far.
    Wouldn't you agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Yep its all their fault that when Europe left they left a huge power vacuum filled with two-bit warlords.

    Its also Africa's fault that Europe pitted ethnic groups against each other in order to gain easier control.
    Africa was full of them before the Europeans arrived as well. Africa wasn't some unspoiled utopian paradise.

    Yes Colonialism is to blame for a lot of Africa's ills but I think it is about time that the Africans themselves took some responsibility for the good of the continent's future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erebus26 View Post
    Africa was full of them before the Europeans arrived as well. Africa wasn't some unspoiled utopian paradise.
    I know...

    I partly blame the anti-Imperialists for what happened in Africa for their demand of "Out of Africa Now" rather than "Fix African Now then get out" Europeans aren't the root of all evil, I would never say that. Yet I also wouldn't say you were angels civilizing the "savage" Africans. We Americans are bad in this aspect for Africa in relation to Liberia, but Liberia is tiny compared to the rest so I focused on the big powers.

    Yes Colonialism is to blame for a lot of Africa's ills but I think it is about time that the Africans themselves took some responsibility for the good of the continent's future.
    Agree, but the West needs to help them along and support them when needed. We need to oppose Autocrats and support Democratic leaders no matter whether or not they are in our interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Skinna View Post
    At the same time if we discontinue the proper kind of aid we'll get resource wars.
    I'd like to see Fair trade become a much stronger influence in Africa.
    Best way to build their economies.
    But Corruption both in African Nations and the UN needs to be tackled. :hmmm:

    We have Resource Wars in Spain over Water supplies, it'll only get worse if we don't switch to alternative fuel.

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    Default Re: Is western aid holding Africa back?

    i voted dont know coz i lost touch with this issue.

    i realize that in past decades it definately has been a yes. we were holding them back by giving them credits and selling them food instead of building wells and infranstructure however i think (and hope) that this has changed to a certain degree

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    Default Re: Is western aid holding Africa back?

    no,
    i voted no, because

    western aid is not determinant to whether or not africa is 'held back'
    only by our eurocentric standards is africa 'backward'
    as far as i'm concerned, it's just business as usual in africa

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    Agricultural technological advancements taught to the Africans... now I know that works as it should. Irrigation and such, crop rotation and teaching how to use makeshift tools and build the right kind of things, that always works for everyone's advantage.

    The more they're fed, the more they can help themselves, the less likely they are to rob the next tribe of what they have.
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    Default Re: Is western aid holding Africa back?

    i think the op refers to the huge depth of africa which keeps it chained

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    why do we have to control everything?
    cant we just let the africans sort out their own "problems"?

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    “The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    people and countries arent pottery
    britian and france dont get to 'keep' the parts of africa they colonised

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    The point of the rule is since they broke Africa they have to help fix it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    The point of the rule is since they broke Africa they have to help fix it.
    fix it sounds like a good idea, but i dont regard africa as 'broken' since it's always been like that even before the era of colonisation.

    we only give enough aid to alleviate our consciences anyhow

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    Default Re: Is western aid holding Africa back?

    i think thats the question that the op wanted to raise. do we really aid them or do we take advantage of they problems.

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