Obama embarrasses America

[Carpathian Wolf]

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-...rted-u-s-media


I don't normally post here all that often but I just had this sent to me and it may have already been covered but it seems pretty hilarious to me.

[Tominokar]

It says he gave Gordon Brown 25 DVDs. What were the DVDs?

[JP226]

As hard a time as I give the brits, our gifts should have been a tad bit more thoughtful. I fricken DVD set in exchange for a pen carved from the wood of the sister ship of the resolute. I mean, damn... The press conference I don't care all that much about, it could have been much more formal but the gifts we gave were really crap. I think, I may be wrong, but I think state gifts like this are the first lady's responsibility, and Michelle isn't exactly the quality we typically have in office apparently.

It says he gave Gordon Brown 25 DVDs. What were the DVDs?

movies like star wars and indiana jones

[Mikelus Trento]

As hard a time as I give the brits, our gifts should have been a tad bit more thoughtful. I fricken DVD set in exchange for a pen carved from the wood of the sister ship of the resolute. I mean, damn... The press conference I don't care all that much about, it could have been much more formal but the gifts we gave were really crap. I think, I may be wrong, but I think state gifts like this are the first lady's responsibility, and Michelle isn't exactly the quality we typically have in office apparently.



movies like star wars and indiana jones

And the "Patriot"?

[2-D Ron]

And the "Patriot"?

We still haven't forgiven Mel Gibson for Braveheart.

You clearly Completely Missed the Point. Obama identifies with the black minority in America, even though being 1/2 African Kenyan and 1/2 American Caucasian, his ancestors likely were not brought to America in a slaveship. Still, he identifies with them and the struggle against slavery and racism clearly has a lot of meaning with him. Giving him a pen holder carved from the timbers of a British warship that fought slavery during Britain's campaign of abolition has a lot of symbolic meaning, a lot of weight to it. A box of DVDs does not.

If it's Carry On Camping or the Monty Python Collection I think Brown can forgive him for that... Well.. I would anyway.

[Syron]

It isn't exactly the first undiplomatic act Obama has made to Britain, including getting rid of Churchill's Bust.

He's a , tell us something we don't know..........

[mongrel]

Pah! I would have given him a copy of the Jilted John single

[JP226]

Oh yea I forgot about the churchill statue, that was crap and I honestly don't understand why he did that.

[lowbaccaus]

Oh yea I forgot about the churchill statue, that was crap and I honestly don't understand why he did that.

This:

"I do not admit...that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia...by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race...has come in and taken its place" - Churchill to Palestine Royal Commission, 1937

Other such quotes exist as well...

[Carpathian Wolf]

This:

"I do not admit...that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia...by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race...has come in and taken its place" - Churchill to Palestine Royal Commission, 1937

Other such quotes exist as well...

Totally better than (and i'm paraphrasing from memory)

I have never been for whites and negros to live together as equals. One race must dominate the other and I as any other man would prefer to be the dominating race. ~ Abraham Lincoln.



You find all sorts of interesting quotes he made that was for slavery when it suited him, and against it later on when that suited him more.

[lowbaccaus]

@ Carpathian Wolf: It still serves as a justification for his removal of Churchill's bust. Also consider that while Lincoln actually took progressive steps to help blacks in the US, Churchill was an unabashed imperialist.

@ Eric: There's no reason not to judge people by our own standards, and while historical context might let us understand why earlier people held such beliefs, we are in no way obligated to justify them.

Really, it just would have been better if no "dick moves" would have been pulled. Consider a hypothetical dick move: someone rapes your daughter and she gives birth to the savior of humanity (or something like that); that in no way justifies the rape, nor should you expect anyone to condone it.

[removeduser_487563287433]

@ Carpathian Wolf: It still serves as a justification for his removal of Churchill's bust. Also consider that while Lincoln actually took progressive steps to help blacks in the US, Churchill was an unabashed imperialist.

@ Eric: There's no reason not to judge people by our own standards, and while historical context might let us understand why earlier people held such beliefs, we are in no way obligated to justify them.

It is very stupid to judge people who were raised over a century ago by our standards, for example;

"Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian location should be chosen for dumping down all kaffirs of the town, passes my comprehension. Of course, under my suggestion, the Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location. About this mixing of the Kaffirs with the Indians I must confess I feel most strongly. I think it is very unfair to the Indian population, and it is an undue tax on even the proverbial patience of my countrymen."

That would be Gandhi.

I also feel you have been selective with your quotation. You could have well drawn this from Churchill:

"Thus ended the great American Civil War, which upon the whole must be considered the noblest and least avoidable of all the great mass conflicts of which till then there was record."

[Eric]

Really, it just would have been better if no "dick moves" would have been pulled. Consider a hypothetical dick move: someone rapes your daughter and she gives birth to the savior of humanity (or something like that); that in no way justifies the rape, nor should you expect anyone to condone it.

Rape is a horrible, horrible crime. There's no other way to put it, it is just horrible. But I think giving birth to the Messiah would justify a single rape. All of humanity vs One lady's pyschological state. I'm sorry, but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few in this case. You have to look at the larger picture here. Sure, one woman suffered a horrible indignity, but all of humanity would be saved as a result. One small (in the grand scheme of things) bad thing against an enormous, enormous good thing. In that case, I think the ends justify the means. But we should never forget that this particular means is still a horrible, horrible crime.

For a different example, look at the Atomic bombings of Japan at the end of the Second World War. Thousands upon thousands died in those bombings, a tragedy in all respects. But look at the alternative... For the Invasion of Japan (codenamed Operation Downfall), Allied strategists were projecting casualties in the millions for the Allied armies and in the tens of millions for the Japanese.

[Pallantides]

This:

"I do not admit...that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia...by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race...has come in and taken its place" - Churchill to Palestine Royal Commission, 1937

Other such quotes exist as well...

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.” - Abraham Lincoln

[Martin N]

Pretty funny really, Really the only country who supported us in the iraq war, indeed probably our most greatest ally, and we $hit on them from a great height, looks like obama for some reason hates britain, (most likeley being kenyan, Hates britain for when it oppressed most of africa) who knows.

[Sphere]

Didn't read anything about the gift faux-pas' but the churchill bust has been well reported in the US media.

my friend the prime minister of Great Britain heard me say that I greatly admired Winston Churchill and so he saw to it that the government loaned me this and I am most honored to have this Jacob Epstein bust of Winston Churchill.

GWB 2001

Obama is replacing it with a Lincoln bust. It was removed from the Oval office when Bush left. Perhaps he could have kept it in storage for a while before returning it, but the president gets to decorate the Oval office. It is one of the few White House area's that is up to his descretion.

[Pallantides]

Didn't read anything about the gift faux-pas' but the churchill bust has been well reported in the US media.




GWB 2001

Obama is replacing it with a Lincoln bust. It was removed from the Oval office when Bush left. Perhaps he could have kept it in storage for a while before returning it, but the president gets to decorate the Oval office. It is one of the few White House area's that is up to his descretion.

Linc-LON despised and hated Native Americans, this must mean Obama hate natives too, that racist bastard...

[ROFL Copter]

Pretty funny really, Really the only country who supported us in the iraq war, indeed probably our most greatest ally, and we $hit on them from a great height, looks like obama for some reason hates britain, (most likeley being kenyan, Hates britain for when it oppressed most of africa) who knows.

Your greatest ally??

[The Devil's Sergeant]

Obama is a noob.


And he is a lot more comfortable around brown skinned terrorists than he is with pasty faced Europeans.

[mongrel]

And he is a lot more comfortable around brown skinned terrorists than he is with pasty faced Europeans.

Biden and Clinton? I suggest you get a new TV.