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    CAIRO — The sentencing of a 75-year-old widow to 40 lashes and four months in prison for mingling with two young men who were reportedly bringing her bread has sparked new criticism of Saudi Arabia's ultraconservative religious police and judiciary.

    Khamisa Sawadi, who is Syrian but was married to a Saudi, was convicted and sentenced last week for meeting with men who were not her immediate relatives. The two men, including one who was Sawadi's late husband's nephew, were also found guilty and sentenced to prison terms and lashes.

    The woman's lawyer, Abdel Rahman al-Lahem, told The Associated Press on Monday that he plans to appeal the verdict, which also demands that Sawadi be deported after serving her prison term. He declined to provide more details and said his client, who is not serving her sentence yet, was not speaking with the media.

    Saudi Arabia's strict interpretation of Islam prohibits men and women who are not immediate relatives from mingling and women from driving. The playing of music, dancing and many movies also are a concern for hard-liners who believe they violate religious and moral values.

    A special police unit called the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice enforces these laws, patrolling public places to make sure women are covered and not wearing make up, sexes don't mix, shops close five times a day for Muslim prayers and men go to the mosque to worship.

    But criticism of the religious police and judiciary has been growing in Saudi, where many say they exploit their broad mandate to interfere in people's lives.

    Last month, the Saudi king dismissed the chief of the religious police and a cleric who condoned killing of TV network owners that broadcast "immoral content" — as part of a shake-up signaling an effort to weaken the kingdom's hard-line Sunni Muslim establishment.

    In Sawadi's case, the elderly woman met the two 24-year-old men last April after she asked them to bring her five loaves of bread, the Saudi newspaper Al-Watan reported.

    The men — identified by Al-Watan as the nephew, Fahd al-Anzi, and his friend and business partner Hadiyan bin Zein — went to Sawadi's home in the city of al-Chamil, located north of the Saudi capital, Riyadh. After delivering the bread, the two men were arrested by a one of the religious police, Al-Watan reported.

    The court said it based its March 3 ruling on "citizen information" and testimony from al-Anzi's father, who accused Sawadi of corruption.

    "Because she said she doesn't have a husband and because she is not a Saudi, conviction of the defendants of illegal mingling has been confirmed," the court verdict read.

    Sawadi had told the court that she considered al-Anzi is her son, because she breast-fed him when he was a baby. But the court denied her claim, saying she didn't provide evidence. In Islamic tradition, breast-feeding establishes a degree of maternal relation, even if a woman nurses a child who is not biologically hers.

    Sawadi commonly asked her neighbors for help after her husband died, said Saudi journalist Bandar al-Ammar, who reported the story for Al-Watan. In a recent article, he wrote that he felt the need to report the case "so everybody knows to what degree we have reached."

    Others have also spoken out against the case against Sawadi, accusing the religious police of going too far.

    "How can a verdict be issued based on suspicion?" Saudi doctor and columnist Laila Ahmed al-Ahdab wrote in Al-Watan on Monday. "A group of people are misusing religion to serve their own interests."
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    How could anyone advocate for something so barbaric? I love how we criticize the Chinese (rightfully) for their human rights abuses, but always seem to keep a tight lid on criticizing our "allies" in the ME.
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    Saudi Arabia's clergy need to be destroyed with the fires of Heaven.

    It would be deliciously ironic if one of them got hit with a random bolt of lightning

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Saudi Arabia's clergy need to be destroyed with the fires of Heaven.

    It would be deliciously ironic if one of them got hit with a random bolt of lightning
    Agreed on both.

    And is anyone here surprised? I mean its the ing Saudis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiljan Arslan View Post
    And is anyone here surprised? I mean its the ing Saudis.
    Yeah, sure, because religious bigotry, fanaticism and hatred doesn't exist in the US...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Saudi Arabia's clergy need to be destroyed with the fires of Heaven.

    It would be deliciously ironic if one of them got hit with a random bolt of lightning
    Deus lo vult?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikelus Trento
    Deus lo vult?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Saudi Arabia's clergy need to be destroyed with the fires of Heaven.

    It would be deliciously ironic if one of them got hit with a random bolt of lightning
    Fires of Heaven are on their side, according to them at any rate.

    A few of these would work better:

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    Politics makes hypocrites of us all.

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    Of course, but some things are beyond acceptable.
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    This doesn't make me sick it makes me mad and files me with hate.

    I cant describe in words what i would do to these people what they did to that woman would be mercy if they where at my hand.


    Such unspeakable barbarity the US and EU should civilize these regions by force thats what i say such barbarians have no place in a civilized modern world they simply are incapable of governing themselves so i consider it our duty to rescue these people from such barbarism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian View Post
    This doesn't make me sick it makes me mad and files me with hate.

    I cant describe in words what i would do to these people what they did to that woman would be mercy if they where at my hand.


    Such unspeakable barbarity the US and EU should civilize these regions by force thats what i say such barbarians have no place in a civilized modern world they simply are incapable of governing themselves so i consider it our duty to rescue these people from such barbarism.
    Well, I don't expect anyone from TWC is going to actually book a flight to saudi arabia, go in amongst the crowds without arousing suspicion, witness this apparent monstrosity about to unfold and, before the overseer raises his whip with a mad gleam in his eye, scream out "NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!" in slow motion and go Rambo on those damn demonic wahhabists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian View Post
    This doesn't make me sick it makes me mad and files me with hate.

    I cant describe in words what i would do to these people what they did to that woman would be mercy if they where at my hand.


    Such unspeakable barbarity the US and EU should civilize these regions by force thats what i say such barbarians have no place in a civilized modern world they simply are incapable of governing themselves so i consider it our duty to rescue these people from such barbarism.
    I consider the EU and the US not part of the civilized Islamic world and are incapable of governing themselves. I consider it our duty to rescue these people from barbarism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan
    I consider the EU and the US not part of the civilized Islamic world and are incapable of governing themselves. I consider it our duty to rescue these people from barbarism.
    Go straight ahead and try it, we'll let you play Fallout IRL for your efforts

    But seriously, Adrian has a point here - the Saudis belong in the 1300s.

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    They broke the law, they deserve everything they get.

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    if you're a citizen of this country, and you know what the legal system is like, and you still choose to commit what your country defines as a crime, then you should be punished.

    if you have a problem with the legislation in that country, and you want it changed, there are other ways of challenging the laws...
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    Quote Originally Posted by antea View Post
    if you're a citizen of this country, and you know what the legal system is like, and you still choose to commit what your country defines as a crime, then you should be punished.

    if you have a problem with the legislation in that country, and you want it changed, there are other ways of challenging the laws...
    In Saudi Arabia?


    Unless you are talking about trying to overthrow the government through military force you are very wrong there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    In Saudi Arabia?

    Unless you are talking about trying to overthrow the government through military force you are very wrong there.
    social and legal change happens in countries without the need for revolution...

    and yes, saudi arabia isnt immune from this..
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    Quote Originally Posted by antea View Post
    social and legal change happens in countries without the need for revolution...

    and yes, saudi arabia isnt immune from this..
    No they don't in dictatorships...

    Not all revolutions are violent though, however I don't think non-violent will work in Saudi Arabia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    No they don't in dictatorships...
    yeah, it does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    In Saudi Arabia?


    Unless you are talking about trying to overthrow the government through military force you are very wrong there.
    It's tough. In Saudi Arabia, even posting anti-monarchy stuff on the internet is deemed risky.

    The Saudi Salafis have taken it too far. Paradise lies at the feet of the mother - perhaps they're forgetting that.

    If they're punishing an old lady for "mingling with unrelated men," they should punish all the 10,000 or so princes of the house of al-Saud for not only drug and alcohol abuse but crimes much worse in nature. In Islam, useless intermingling between the genders is discouraged, not prohibited and certainly not deserving of any sort of punishment.

    Too bad the US chose the wrong countries to "bring democracy to".
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