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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7933171.stm
    Chinese ships 'harass' US vessel



    The US says the Impeccable was conducting routine manoeuvres

    Five Chinese ships have manoeuvred dangerously close to an unarmed US navy surveillance vessel in the South China Sea, the US government says.
    US officials said the incident on Sunday came after days of "increasingly aggressive" acts by Chinese ships.
    These violated international law on respecting other users of the seas, a Pentagon spokesman said.
    As Beijing kept silent, the US made a formal complaint to China's military attache at the Pentagon.
    The incident happened as the USNS Impeccable was on routine operations in international waters 75 miles (120km) south of Hainan island, a US statement said.
    The ships "aggressively manoeuvred" around the Impeccable "in an apparent co-ordinated effort to harass the US ocean surveillance ship while it was conducting routine operations in international waters", according to the Pentagon.
    Impeccable is designed specifically to detect underwater threats such as submarines for the US navy.
    Aggressive manoeuvring by ships by rival navies in sensitive international waters is not uncommon but Washington was sufficiently disturbed by the incident involving the Impeccable to make its concerns public, the BBC's Kevin Connolly reports from Washington.
    Emergency stop
    The US ship sprayed one Chinese vessel with water from fire hoses to try to force it away, the Pentagon said.


    But the Chinese crew stripped to their underwear and carried on approaching to within 25ft (8m), it added.
    The Pentagon identified the Chinese boats as a naval intelligence-gathering ship, a Bureau of Maritime Fisheries Patrol Vessel, a State Oceanographic Administration patrol vessel, and two small trawlers.
    When the Impeccable radioed requesting a safe path to leave the area, two Chinese vessels dropped pieces of wood in its path, forcing the US ship to make an emergency stop, the Pentagon said.
    "The unprofessional manoeuvres by Chinese vessels violated the requirement under international law to operate with due regard for the rights and safety of other lawful users of the ocean," said Pentagon spokesman Marine Maj Stewart Upton.
    "We expect Chinese ships to act responsibly and refrain from provocative activities that could lead to miscalculation or a collision at sea," he said.
    The Pentagon reported three other naval incidents involving China last week:

    • On Wednesday, a Chinese Bureau of Fisheries Patrol vessel used a high-intensity spotlight to illuminate the ocean surveillance ship USNS Victorious in the Yellow Sea and, the next day, a Chinese Y-12 maritime surveillance aircraft conducted 12 fly-bys of Victorious
    • On Thursday, a Chinese frigate approached Impeccable without warning and crossed its bow at a close range of approximately 100m (yards), after which a Y-12 aircraft conducted 11 fly-bys. The frigate later crossed the US ship's bow again
    • On Saturday, a Chinese intelligence collection ship challenged Impeccable over bridge-to-bridge radio, calling her operations illegal and directing her to leave the area or "suffer the consequences".

    Test for Obama
    At issue in Sunday's incident is the manner in which the US navy says the Chinese vessels went beyond the usual boundaries in shadowing and harassing the Impeccable, our correspondent says.
    This may be an example of China testing the mettle of a new American administration, just as it did when it impounded an American spy plane immediately after George W Bush took office, he notes.
    It held the crew of the plane, which had collided with a Chinese fighter jet, for 11 days, causing a serious diplomatic row between the two countries.
    While relations between Beijing and Washington are complex, any sense of military competitiveness is dwarfed by America's need for China to continue buying US debt to fund its huge and growing deficit, our correspondent says.
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    China is not that might as they want you to believe, India would own them twice (not counting number of nukes).
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    sprayed the chinese warships with fire hoses... well that should be sufficient to scare them off!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    sprayed the chinese warships with fire hoses... well that should be sufficient to scare them off!!!
    It's a USNS full of civilian types, not a warship. A lot of the time that's all they have aside from small arms. It's also only effective if they're really close, as in looking like they might be trying to get on board close (which is really what the firehoses and small arms are for: repelling boarders). If they're too far away, it just gets them wet. Closer in, it'll basically blow someone away.

    E: I wonder if the Navy (7th Fleet, I guess) will start tasking escorts to certain MSC ships in that area for a bit like they do in the Persian Gulf. I doubt they'd be running around like dickheads in their underwear with a cruiser on their other side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    sprayed the chinese warships with fire hoses... well that should be sufficient to scare them off!!!
    I do understand that you're being sarcastic, but for those that are not aware, it was 5 chinese civilian vessels.

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    Hmm, gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "chinese fire drill."

    Wasn't it about 8 years ago that when the USA had another new president that a USA spy plane has a run in with a Chinese fighter?

    I think this might be called a "pattern of behavior."
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    They were probably spying as per usual. China needs to be sent a reminder rules sheet, this is how things are done.

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    But the Chinese crew stripped to their underwear
    WTF?

    Anyways, can't blame them, America spies on them.
    What would America do if China "surveyed" the area around Hawaii?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    WTF?

    Anyways, can't blame them, America spies on them.
    What would America do if China "surveyed" the area around Hawaii?
    They do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    Anyways, can't blame them, America spies on them.
    What would America do if China "surveyed" the area around Hawaii?
    They do.
    What makes you think they don't?

    Anyway,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokks View Post
    They do.
    What makes you think they don't?

    Anyway,
    Keep the number of unsubstantiated racially charged comments out of here.
    Only Americans spy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    WTF?
    The water hoses.

    It embarassed them, if anything.

    Anyways, can't blame them, America spies on them.
    They spy on us.

    Don't see us making aggressive maneuvers.

    What would America do if China "surveyed" the area around Hawaii
    Is Hawaii home to the proper government of the US, a sovereign nation in itself?

    Nope.

    But let's not pretend they're not surveying around Hawaii, anyways.
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    To me this is actually pretty serious, this isnt buzzing a carrier like the Russians do or close patrols to someone airspace, or popping a sub out in middle of an exercise type thing. The actions are so unprofessional of a navy that one has to question the wisdom of who would allow such commanders to be in charge of such ships. Combined with the fact the action could have resulted in serious accident resulting in the deaths of america and chinese personal you are left wondering...wtf. I mean its not even bragging rights stuff like the sub or buzzing a carrier, its like 5 year old child play.

    WTF?

    Anyways, can't blame them if America plies on them.
    What would America do if China "surveyed" the area around Hawaii?
    Ah yes even with this Erik manages to see the wrongness of american action somehow....instead of the more serious issue that could have killed chinese and americans by wreckless action.

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    Americans still have dedicated spy planes?!?!
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    Pretty ironic we criticising anyone for breaking international law, anyone remember iraq invasion ? how the whole world said no, how the nuclear inspectors found nothing, but we said they was there and we ignored the law and that we would find them when the war was over ? Yeh thought so, we still havnt found any today, america criticizing china for breaking international law is like china criticizing us for human rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin N View Post
    Pretty ironic we criticising anyone for breaking international law, anyone remember iraq invasion ? how the whole world said no, how the nuclear inspectors found nothing, but we said they was there and we ignored the law and that we would find them when the war was over ? Yeh thought so, we still havnt found any today, america criticizing china for breaking international law is like china criticizing us for human rights.
    Nonsense comparative arguments for 1000 Alex.

    This was posted on March 9th 2009 was irrelevant to the argument.

    What was the post above.

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    it's a ing american spy ship.....what you expect the chinese to do? let them keep on spying?

    this is the same BS US pulled with the spy plane in 2000 (or 2001 i forgot).

    you wut's this whole crap reminds me of?



    passenger harassing driver: i am not touching you, i am not touching you.
    driver hit him in the hand
    passenger: why are you TOUCHING me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    you wut's this whole crap reminds me of?



    passenger harassing driver: i am not touching you, i am not touching you.
    driver hit him in the hand
    passenger: why are you TOUCHING me!

    Yep, that's exactly how it's like....except those people in the vid behave less childish than China and the US.



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    More political testing of the waters. Nothing new, this crap has been happening for easily the past 50 years.

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