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    1. Vince Cable - deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats
    Here is a question Mr Cable’s posed to Gordon Brown, then Chancellor, during Treasury Questions back in November 2003: “The growth of the British economy is sustained by consumer spending pinned against record levels of personal debt, which is secured, if at all, against house prices that the Bank of England describes as well above equilibrium level. What action will the Chancellor take on the problem of consumer debt?”
    Mr Brown did not answer how he would solve the problem, merely replying that: “We have been right about the prospects for growth in the British economy, and the hon. Gentleman (Mr. Cable) has been wrong.”


    2. Christopher Wood – chief strategist of CLSA, a broking firm in the Asia-Pacific Market.

    In October 2005 Mr Wood wisely declared: "Investors should sell all exposure to the American mortgage securities market." In an interview in 2007, he said: "Some institutions have been behaving like leveraged speculators rather than banks… The UK economy is heading for a sharp shock. It just remains to be seen how bad."


    3. Founders of www.stock-market-crash.net – website aimed at investors
    The writers of this site claim that predicting crashes is, in fact, easy: “One of the greatest myths of all time is that market crashes are random, unpredictable events. The lead up to a market crash is often years in the making. Certain warning signs exist, which characterize the end of a bull market and the start of a bear market. By learning these common warning signs, you can liquidate your investments and prosper by shorting the market.”


    4. Henry Weingarten - astrologer
    Mr Weingarten is head of the Astrologers Fund, a New York firm that advises businesses on the basis of planetary movements. He forecast a major economic downturn in March 2007 – so hopefully his clients took note.
    His website claims he has in fact made numerous successful predictions about worldwide financial affairs, including “both Mexican 1995 crises, the first 1995 dollar crisis, the 1998 oil collapse and 1999 recovery, and the decline of the Euro after its 1999 birth.”


    5. Nouriel Roubini - economics professor
    Aka Dr Doom, Dr Roubini is an economics professor at New York University. On September 7, 2006, at an International Monetary Fund meeting, he announced that a crisis was brewing. He said that the United States was likely to face a once-in-a-lifetime housing bust, an oil shock, sharply declining consumer confidence and, ultimately, a deep recession.
    Homeowners would default on mortgages, trillions of dollars of mortgage-backed securities would unravel worldwide and the global financial system would shudder to a halt. These developments, he said, would cripple major financial institutions like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
    As Mr Roubini stepped down, his host said: “I think perhaps we will need a stiff drink after that.” They do now.


    6. Nikolai Kondratiev - Russian Marxist economist
    In the early 1920s, Mr Kondratiev proposed a theory that Western capitalist economies have long term (50 to 60 years) cycles of boom followed by depression. These business cycles are now called "Kondratiev waves", or grand supercycles. He predicted an imminent dip, and he was proved right with the Wall Street Crash in 1929.
    The current crisis may mean he is about 10 years out – but, still, not a bad prediction for a man who died in 1938.
    From the archive: William Rees-Mogg on Kondratiev (1980)


    7. Founders of Housepricecrash.co.uk – property website
    HousePriceCrash.co.uk was established in October 2003 after its founders predicted “one of the potentially biggest economic boom bust events in living memory” was coming. Its aim, apparently, is to provide a “counterbalance to the huge amounts of positive spin the housing market receives in the main media”.
    Whist there is not currently a lot of positive news about the housing market to counter, the site does provide a plethora of information, statistics and forums for those interested in the great house price crash.


    8. Lord Oakeshott - Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman
    He may not have predicted the entire financial meltdown, but he did warn the Government of the possible collapse of Icelandic banks back in July. He said last week: “"Alarm bells were ringing all over about the Icelandic banks and the Treasury must have been blind and deaf not to hear them."
    In a written question to the government in July, he asked: "What steps [have] the United Kingdom financial authorities taken to satisfy themselves, independently of the Icelandic financial authorities, of the solvency and stability of Icelandic banks taking deposits in the United Kingdom?”
    Lord Davies, for the Government, replied that there was no concern about the liquidity or capital base of Icelandic banks operating in the UK.


    9. Stephen Roach - senior executive at Morgan Stanley
    In November 2004, Mr Roach predicted an “economic Armageddon”, in part due to the record US current account, trade and government deficits. His outlook was largely dismissed at the time.
    Having being proved right, he recently went on to accuse central banks of being “asleep at the switch” in failing to stop the escalating crisis. “The lack of monetary discipline has become a hallmark of unfettered globalization,” he said.


    10. Ron Paul - Republican Congressman
    Back in September 2003, Mr Paul told a House Financial Services Committee that: “Ironically, by transferring the risk of a widespread mortgage default, the government increases the likelihood of a painful crash in the housing market. “This is because the special privileges granted to Fannie and Freddie have distorted the housing market by allowing them to attract capital they could not attract under pure market conditions.” Of course, if we are going to give Mr Paul credit, than we should also highlight the efforts of Peter Schiff, his economic advisor and long-time economic hawk.



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    I'm personally intrigued by the Ron Paul entry. American Republicans seem content with blaming Clinton and the Democrats for this whole crisis in the 90's. I agree that Clinton and the Dems had a lot to do with it, but in 2003 when Ron Paul said the above to the Financial Services committee in the House, the House AND Senate was controlled by the Republicans and the President was Republican too. Fact of the matter is, at the time the Republicans at the time got confused and were conflicted between their free market ideals and supporting big business. The latter won that particular tug of war. Pathetic. Paul on the other hand, as always, he seems to have the balls to say what needs to be said even if it goes against maintream opinion.

    As for Gordon bloody Brown. In 2003 when put on the spot by the simply remarkable Vincent Cable, Liberal Democrat deputy and Finance spokesman, he merely did what he is doing right now. Deflecting blame and dismissing everyone as wrong and him as right. Brown has got a lot of things wrong in his time, sold Britain's gold reserves at rock bottom prices, murdered the benefit and tax system, removed the Bank of England's regulatory role and handing it to a quango headed by his mate and the boss of one of the most failed banks, he was wrong about abolishing boom and bust etc. Instead he keeps banging on about how he knows best, and how all of this is America's fault in every single Parliamentary session. Something he failed to mention in his speech to Congress.

    It should have gone a little like this.
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    Not saying I believe it was all America's fault, but that's what our glorious leader keeps saying. Hell he said it literally just before he went out and talked to Congress in a white house interview with the BBC's political correspondent. He also refused to apologise for any of his mistakes, instead alluding to the fact that he did nothing.

    Not only Brown though. As we can see a number of people complained about the financial bubble this was pretty much well known to all world leaders including the EU leaders and Asia etc. they just all forsook the signs for their own personal gain manipulating statistics and figures to make it look like they are at the helm of great prosperity and economic growth while hiding the epic debt problems.

    "There are three kind of lies: Lies, damn lies and statistics". Congratulations our glorious leaders, you used all three.

    A resounding face palm from us all!

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    You could add me to that list as well.



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    After something happens, everyone predicted it. It's a load of bull that gives people that nice smug feeling, I-told-you-so and all that. Read 'The Black Swan' by Nicholas Taleb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyam View Post
    After something happens, everyone predicted it. It's a load of bull that gives people that nice smug feeling, I-told-you-so and all that. Read 'The Black Swan' by Nicholas Taleb.
    ^This.


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    I cannot say I predicted it, but I do have a history teacher who predicted it
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    I remember Erik was saying it before I did.

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    The vid , is that oj simpson? lol

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    Which vid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    Which vid?
    Epic facepalm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadyrome View Post
    Epic facepalm.
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    I'm glad you're giving credit where credit's due. And I think this proves that Paul isn't quite the conspiracy theorist the media and pop culture have painted him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    http://timesbusiness.typepad.com/mon...ple-who-p.html

    Eleven people who predicted the financial meltdown

    1. Vince Cable - deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats
    Here is a question Mr Cable’s posed to Gordon Brown, then Chancellor, during Treasury Questions back in November 2003: “The growth of the British economy is sustained by consumer spending pinned against record levels of personal debt, which is secured, if at all, against house prices that the Bank of England describes as well above equilibrium level. What action will the Chancellor take on the problem of consumer debt?”
    Mr Brown did not answer how he would solve the problem, merely replying that: “We have been right about the prospects for growth in the British economy, and the hon. Gentleman (Mr. Cable) has been wrong.”


    2. Christopher Wood – chief strategist of CLSA, a broking firm in the Asia-Pacific Market.

    In October 2005 Mr Wood wisely declared: "Investors should sell all exposure to the American mortgage securities market." In an interview in 2007, he said: "Some institutions have been behaving like leveraged speculators rather than banks… The UK economy is heading for a sharp shock. It just remains to be seen how bad."


    3. Founders of www.stock-market-crash.net – website aimed at investors
    The writers of this site claim that predicting crashes is, in fact, easy: “One of the greatest myths of all time is that market crashes are random, unpredictable events. The lead up to a market crash is often years in the making. Certain warning signs exist, which characterize the end of a bull market and the start of a bear market. By learning these common warning signs, you can liquidate your investments and prosper by shorting the market.”


    4. Henry Weingarten - astrologer
    Mr Weingarten is head of the Astrologers Fund, a New York firm that advises businesses on the basis of planetary movements. He forecast a major economic downturn in March 2007 – so hopefully his clients took note.
    His website claims he has in fact made numerous successful predictions about worldwide financial affairs, including “both Mexican 1995 crises, the first 1995 dollar crisis, the 1998 oil collapse and 1999 recovery, and the decline of the Euro after its 1999 birth.”


    5. Nouriel Roubini - economics professor
    Aka Dr Doom, Dr Roubini is an economics professor at New York University. On September 7, 2006, at an International Monetary Fund meeting, he announced that a crisis was brewing. He said that the United States was likely to face a once-in-a-lifetime housing bust, an oil shock, sharply declining consumer confidence and, ultimately, a deep recession.
    Homeowners would default on mortgages, trillions of dollars of mortgage-backed securities would unravel worldwide and the global financial system would shudder to a halt. These developments, he said, would cripple major financial institutions like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
    As Mr Roubini stepped down, his host said: “I think perhaps we will need a stiff drink after that.” They do now.


    6. Nikolai Kondratiev - Russian Marxist economist
    In the early 1920s, Mr Kondratiev proposed a theory that Western capitalist economies have long term (50 to 60 years) cycles of boom followed by depression. These business cycles are now called "Kondratiev waves", or grand supercycles. He predicted an imminent dip, and he was proved right with the Wall Street Crash in 1929.
    The current crisis may mean he is about 10 years out – but, still, not a bad prediction for a man who died in 1938.
    From the archive: William Rees-Mogg on Kondratiev (1980)


    7. Founders of Housepricecrash.co.uk – property website
    HousePriceCrash.co.uk was established in October 2003 after its founders predicted “one of the potentially biggest economic boom bust events in living memory” was coming. Its aim, apparently, is to provide a “counterbalance to the huge amounts of positive spin the housing market receives in the main media”.
    Whist there is not currently a lot of positive news about the housing market to counter, the site does provide a plethora of information, statistics and forums for those interested in the great house price crash.


    8. Lord Oakeshott - Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman
    He may not have predicted the entire financial meltdown, but he did warn the Government of the possible collapse of Icelandic banks back in July. He said last week: “"Alarm bells were ringing all over about the Icelandic banks and the Treasury must have been blind and deaf not to hear them."
    In a written question to the government in July, he asked: "What steps [have] the United Kingdom financial authorities taken to satisfy themselves, independently of the Icelandic financial authorities, of the solvency and stability of Icelandic banks taking deposits in the United Kingdom?”
    Lord Davies, for the Government, replied that there was no concern about the liquidity or capital base of Icelandic banks operating in the UK.


    9. Stephen Roach - senior executive at Morgan Stanley
    In November 2004, Mr Roach predicted an “economic Armageddon”, in part due to the record US current account, trade and government deficits. His outlook was largely dismissed at the time.
    Having being proved right, he recently went on to accuse central banks of being “asleep at the switch” in failing to stop the escalating crisis. “The lack of monetary discipline has become a hallmark of unfettered globalization,” he said.


    10. Ron Paul - Republican Congressman
    Back in September 2003, Mr Paul told a House Financial Services Committee that: “Ironically, by transferring the risk of a widespread mortgage default, the government increases the likelihood of a painful crash in the housing market. “This is because the special privileges granted to Fannie and Freddie have distorted the housing market by allowing them to attract capital they could not attract under pure market conditions.” Of course, if we are going to give Mr Paul credit, than we should also highlight the efforts of Peter Schiff, his economic advisor and long-time economic hawk.

    11. Erik - Dutch Citizen
    Made his alleged claim clear at 10:19 AM on March 8, 2009. "You could add me to that list as well."

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    When did Erik make his claim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    When did Erik make his claim?
    I think more than two years ago. Possibly three? Maybe even four now that I think about it, it was before Bush's second term.

    I don't like many of Erik's ideas, but he surely isn't stupid.
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    There was also this guy.

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    He is mentioned under number 10. Ron Paul.

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    I'm interested to see exactly what Erik predicted. Someone link me to this divine prophecy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    I'm interested to see exactly what Erik predicted. Someone link me to this divine prophecy.
    BEHOLD! the Prophesy:

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=36979

    But to be fair: many other members agreed about the looming economic collapse, I was far from alone.



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    I remember the post (it was rather detailed) but I don't remember the thread. You need to pm him I suppose.

    It was based on several economic argumentations, no prophecy.

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    Notice the only two British politicians on the list are Lib Dems. It's just a shame no-one listens to them. Vince Cable should be made Chancellor after the next election, I don't care who wins, he just really should be given the job. He's not a slimy git, and he doesn't have scary eyebrows, so he's certianly beating his competition.


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