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    Guys im getting fed up with the constant unceasing whining about there being no unqiue units. I've taken some pictures of austria france and russia to show you the THERE ARE A TON OF UNQUIE UNITS Every faction is packed with them!

    Persia swordsmen
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    Horse Archers

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    Foot Archers
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    Russian bardiche (poleaxe) infantry
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    Russian Hand mortar company
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    Russian Cossack infantry
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    Austrlia double barreled musketeers
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    Austria Uhlans
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    French scotish elites
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    French Coueurs de Bois
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    French light cav
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    Ottoman Bashi-Bazouks(Captain Haddock anyone?)
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    Otoman Swordsman Jannissaries(badass!)
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    Ottoman Organ Gun
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    Ottoman Grenadiers
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    Spanish Cazadores( I always though it was cacodores?)
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    Spanish Frontiersmen
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    Spanish Guerllias
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    Spanish Irish Brigade
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    CA made all these units for us and tons more and people constantly whine without even looking first.

    Stop screaming there are tons of them.
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    Thanks for doing all these (and perhaps all the others? )
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    I think what people are complaining about is that most of those are just variations on line infantry with different stats and names. On the battlefield they wont really do anything spectaculary different, however i dont see anyway that CA could have added some sort of "unique unit" without being historically inaccuarate.

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    Almost all of those models are shared with other factions. Including the French Scots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline Pete View Post
    Almost all of those models are shared with other factions. Including the French Scots.
    So dual musketss hand mortars the entire melee based indian cultures with their many diffrent looking swordsmen, Ottomans wiht their Janissaries other units like long rifle men and others dont count? No people just want to whine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForlornHope. View Post
    So dual musketss hand mortars the entire melee based indian cultures with their many diffrent looking swordsmen, Ottomans wiht their Janissaries other units like long rifle men and others dont count? No people just want to whine.
    Yup. I mean this is a strategy game, you're controling thousands of units on the map. Most of the time you're zoomed way out and it doesnt even matter if they look similar. With this many units in the game at one time I'm not gonna complain with a few units here and there that look the same.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Sander Cohen View Post
    Yup. I mean this is a strategy game, you're controling thousands of units on the map. Most of the time you're zoomed way out and it doesnt even matter if they look similar. With this many units in the game at one time I'm not gonna complain with a few units here and there that look the same.
    I am always zoomnig in and watching the battles...

    Cour de bois shouldn't be a unit at all >_<

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maniacal View Post
    I am always zoomnig in and watching the battles...

    Cour de bois would never be in a unit besides militia >_<
    So do I, but like I said, it doesnt bother me. I never expected to have every unit have their own unique appearence.





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    Thanks ForlornHope. Great post. +rep
    Post more if you get the time

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    The complaint has never been that the non-european factions did not have unique units, It is that the most (not all) of the European armies are cloned of each other with the exception of one or two unique units. This is felt particularly in the infantry line-up At the same time the Brittish are not only given a large number of special units but the Brittish line units are given superior stats compared to other nations as well.

    At the same time many nations which have an equal or stronger claim to unique units or units with superior stats get almost none of them. Take for example the Poles. At the start of the game they had a truly unique army with their very onw set of cavalry such as the hussars, the panceri (mailed medium cavalry) and the jazda lekka which looked like no other european cavalry. Not to mention diffrent uniforms for the infantry. Yet in the game they only get the winged hussars, all the others are gone. You may play a faction called "Poland" but there is absolutely no feeling of commanding a Polish army to fighting the battles.

    And giving nations such as the Swedes a single cavalry unit in 17th century infantry armour despite the fact that said unit has no place in a 18th Century game is hardly proof of the care given creation of that particular faction.

    You are controlling exactly 20 units in a battle, not "thousands".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Gars View Post
    The complaint has never been that the non-european factions did not have unique units, It is that the most (not all) of the European armies are cloned of each other with the exception of one or two unique units. This is felt particularly in the infantry line-up At the same time the Brittish are not only given a large number of special units but the Brittish line units are given superior stats compared to other nations as well.

    At the same time many nations which have an equal or stronger claim to unique units or units with superior stats get almost none of them. Take for example the Poles. At the start of the game they had a truly unique army with their very onw set of cavalry such as the hussars, the panceri (mailed medium cavalry) and the jazda lekka which looked like no other european cavalry. Not to mention diffrent uniforms for the infantry. Yet in the game they only get the winged hussars, all the others are gone. You may play a faction called "Poland" but there is absolutely no feeling of commanding a Polish army to fighting the battles.

    And giving nations such as the Swedes a single cavalry unit in 17th century infantry armour despite the fact that said unit has no place in a 18th Century game is hardly proof of the care given creation of that particular faction.

    You are controlling exactly 20 units in a battle, not "thousands".
    It makes it easier on the computer if they are cloned. I like seeing a huge army that looks the same. Makes me feel like Hitler......except without jew killing thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Gars View Post
    The complaint has never been that the non-european factions did not have unique units, It is that the most (not all) of the European armies are cloned of each other with the exception of one or two unique units. This is felt particularly in the infantry line-up At the same time the Brittish are not only given a large number of special units but the Brittish line units are given superior stats compared to other nations as well.

    At the same time many nations which have an equal or stronger claim to unique units or units with superior stats get almost none of them. Take for example the Poles. At the start of the game they had a truly unique army with their very onw set of cavalry such as the hussars, the panceri (mailed medium cavalry) and the jazda lekka which looked like no other european cavalry. Not to mention diffrent uniforms for the infantry. Yet in the game they only get the winged hussars, all the others are gone. You may play a faction called "Poland" but there is absolutely no feeling of commanding a Polish army to fighting the battles.

    And giving nations such as the Swedes a single cavalry unit in 17th century infantry armour despite the fact that said unit has no place in a 18th Century game is hardly proof of the care given creation of that particular faction.

    You are controlling exactly 20 units in a battle, not "thousands".
    He said thousands of troops meanign soliders not thousands of unuits

    There are diffrences each euro faction has diffrent stats. I will agree that poland got serverly shafted compared to everyone else in europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForlornHope. View Post
    Do you know anything about this period? Men lining up to shoot at each other light cavalry and artillery is basicly how everyone fought. Its an 18th cent war game what do you expect?



    Did you read my first post, I said I am perfectly aware of the difficulty for CA to insert creative and unique units. But if a faction is unique in name only then the game loses some of its lasting appeal.
    And did you read mine? The point of this topic is to show there is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastPrivate View Post
    Not good enough excuse to go back in time. CA did great job in M2TW with unit variations before (in a single company there would be variations on horses), what's the rationale behind not doing what they were doing well before?
    Whatever buddy theres no pleaseing some people. medi had far fewer UU than emprie does and tons of generic knighs and spearmen with loads of recycled sprites.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pallantides View Post
    They are Streltsy and the weapon is a bardiche not a halberd!
    Yes your right i just didn't feel like spelling that and I was in a hurry when i made this post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hippolord View Post
    I am very glad that this thread was made. There are plenty of unique units i don't know what everyone is talking about. I guess i do understand the line infantry thing but thats about it. I have only REALLY played as the Marathas and i am pretty far in. year is 1737 and i have seen plenty of unique usint. Example(s): Mysore has ax men and horse archers that are 100% unique. Mughals have some Musket men, cavalry, cross bow men, and cavalry that are 100% unique. Persia even gets unique units: Afghan hillmen Falam(or something with an F) swordsmen and musketmen. Indians have Elephants. If you take Marathas, mysore, persia, and mughals, and compare them with any European faction. And sometimes with each other, they have completly different unit rosters. Also i have noticed that every european faction except maybe for the small German states have maybe not completly but somewhat unique rosters. My Base Point: Stop complaining, there ARE unique units, just have to look a little sometime, and sometimes not at all.
    My point exactly. Its nice somebdoy takes the time to look besides me!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodwig I. View Post
    Who cares for unique units?
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    I mean where have been the rants that the 3 Roman Factions in Rome have been clones?
    or most of the Barbarians have been clones?

    or that the west European Factions in M1 and M2 have been clones?
    Exactly. The same sprites are reused everywhere but nobody whinged about that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline Pete View Post
    I said most of those models (being those models you posted) reading comprehension for the win. In fact you yourself post the SAME IMAGES of Uhlans/French Cavalry. They are the SAME model.

    I look forward to your responses as always princess.
    And this matters why? Sprites have been reused constantly though the total war series and this is a war game involving thousands of troops. Of course there are going to be some assets reused It would take far too long. Go and play fps games if you want varied enemies this is a strategic game looks shouldn't even matter. And i like you have to belittle me. go back to command and conquer and leave the gaming and not screaming about how there arent enough shiny things to us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Juggernaut View Post
    Are you talking about M2TW with the generic militia, generic archers, generic sergeants and generic knights? A major faction had 1 or 2 unique unit with it's own 3D model, but apart from that all units were pretty much clones.

    I would have loved if CA recreated each nations uniform in detail, and I am disappointed that most units are clones but I don't see it as a game breaker at all.

    And some untis in ETW has a varitations on horses.
    Exactly. if it was an fps it migth matter but its not its war game. did anyone care that every unit looked the same in Eu3?

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperKyle View Post
    this thread is a joke right?

    Every nation has identical units besides like 15 units total.

    Nearly every nation in the game has the same artillery down to the tee. Middle Easterns have the 64 lb gun. WOW.

    TONS of countries have the same units.

    Prussian Jaegers for Prussia, Saxony, hannover, all of the custom battles mod german countries.

    Hungarian hussars for Austria AND hungary...

    all colonies (New spain, new france, etc. all have the same identical units as france, spain, etc.)

    nothings new at all. They're all carbon copies of eachother. If you don't believe me, DL the unlock countries custom/multi mod in the modding section and take a long look at each country. If they're in the same region 95% of their units are identical.
    Um no go to custom battles and look at the units on the late settings. and on campagin theres many, many unquie unplayable faction units.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rorarii View Post
    Excellent units .. but can they be hired as mercenaries?

    Can mercenaries be hired at all?

    I tried to look for mercenaries in an allies territory but found nothing! in fact i've found no mercenaries at ALL!

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    There are mo mercs in etw which really sucks, but you can hire local auxluries.

    Quote Originally Posted by InfUA View Post
    Im sorry Mr. forlon, but I see only some units, where are the tons you spoke about?
    In late custom battles and in the campagin. I am not saving and coverting a truckload of images then uploading them one by one until photobuckets multi uploader works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForlornHope. View Post
    So dual musketss hand mortars the entire melee based indian cultures with their many diffrent looking swordsmen, Ottomans wiht their Janissaries other units like long rifle men and others dont count? No people just want to whine.
    But when you think about it its really just different models who fire guns and different models who swing melee weapons. There arent any truely unique fighting styles for any nations, I think thats what people are "whining" about

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynamo View Post
    But when you think about it its really just different models who fire guns and different models who swing melee weapons. There arent any truely unique fighting styles for any nations, I think thats what people are "whining" about
    Do you know anything about this period? Men lining up to shoot at each other light cavalry and artillery is basicly how everyone fought. Its an 18th cent war game what do you expect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Celsius View Post
    For me, it's those Cossacks. They may be crappy, i don't know, but they just look like they have some fight in em'.
    they are actuly rather weak as skirmishers go but yeah their look and the way they are holding their weapons just says "dont with me"
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    [quote=ForlornHope.;4627935]Do you know anything about this period? Men lining up to shoot at each other light cavalry and artillery is basicly how everyone fought. Its an 18th cent war game what do you expect?



    Did you read my first post, I said I am perfectly aware of the difficulty for CA to insert creative and unique units. But if a faction is unique in name only then the game loses some of its lasting appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForlornHope. View Post
    Do you know anything about this period? Men lining up to shoot at each other light cavalry and artillery is basicly how everyone fought. Its an 18th cent war game what do you expect?



    they are actuly rather weak as skirmishers go but yeah their look and the way they are holding their weapons just says "dont with me"
    They aren't weak as skirmishers. Most skirmishers have 60-80 men. These have 160, and have a 80 range instead of a 70(Compared to line infantry).

    They are like lighter versions of line infantry.

    Coassack riflemen are indeed a unique unit within the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForlornHope. View Post
    So dual musketss hand mortars the entire melee based indian cultures with their many diffrent looking swordsmen, Ottomans wiht their Janissaries other units like long rifle men and others dont count? No people just want to whine.
    Not good enough excuse to go back in time. CA did great job in M2TW with unit variations before (in a single company there would be variations on horses), what's the rationale behind not doing what they were doing well before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastPrivate View Post
    Not good enough excuse to go back in time. CA did great job in M2TW with unit variations before (in a single company there would be variations on horses), what's the rationale behind not doing what they were doing well before?
    Are you talking about M2TW with the generic militia, generic archers, generic sergeants and generic knights? A major faction had 1 or 2 unique unit with it's own 3D model, but apart from that all units were pretty much clones.

    I would have loved if CA recreated each nations uniform in detail, and I am disappointed that most units are clones but I don't see it as a game breaker at all.

    And some untis in ETW has a varitations on horses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForlornHope. View Post
    So dual musketss hand mortars the entire melee based indian cultures with their many diffrent looking swordsmen, Ottomans wiht their Janissaries other units like long rifle men and others dont count? No people just want to whine.
    I said most of those models (being those models you posted) reading comprehension for the win. In fact you yourself post the SAME IMAGES of Uhlans/French Cavalry. They are the SAME model.

    I look forward to your responses as always princess.

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    What does Sweden have? I only remember the crappy Finish calvary that nobody uses.

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