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    Barack Obama's administration has recently gone on a racial offensive, demanding that Americans stop being cowards and discuss race. First Eric Holder called us a nation of cowards. Then a similar challenge was issued by the EPA administrator Lisa Jackson and First Lady Michelle Obama. But do they really want us to discuss race-related issues honestly? Or are they just trying to create an anti-white national assault where whites are blamed for all the minorities' problems and in this "dialogue" even complete incivility towards whites would be welcomed. If the Obama administration really wants an honest dialogue, I have some questions I would like to discuss. I suspect most Americans would like answers to at least some of these questions as well.

    1. It is a fact that whites have more than blacks in every way possible: education, money, lack of criminal record. There are only two possible explanations for it: whites did something wrong or whites did something right. If you will talk about all the evils whites allegedly perpetuated on blacks, today and hundreds of years ago, can we list something the good things whites may have done and some errors common in the black community?

    2. What proof is there that black people still suffer from slavery 150 years ago besides your claims? Do Russians still suffer from the legacy of serfdom? If so, why did Russia get rapidly wealthier after the fall of the Soviet Union and the people of Moscow are now wealthier than most Americans? If blacks still suffer from the legacy of segregation into the black ghetto, does that mean that Jews must still suffer from the legacy of the Jewish ghetto? If so, then why are Jews the wealthiest people in the United States and every other country? Why do they score the highest on academic and IQ tests?

    3. Can we discuss the fact that according to surveys of crime victims (not a survey of arrest rates, but rather a survey of victims who usually desperately want the real criminal to be caught), blacks commit 7 times more crime per capita and 10 times more violent crime per capita than whites? Furthermore, blacks commit 20 times more murders per capita than whites?

    Can we discuss the fact that 32% of black men spend over a year in prison, plus at all those who did time in county jails, received probation or were never caught?

    Can we discuss the fact that black criminals commit more crime against whites than their fellow African-Americans, despite usually living in neighborhoods with few whites, meaning that they purposely target Caucasians.

    Can we discuss the fact that poverty does not cause crime, as evidenced by the fact that America’s crime rates were lowest during the Great Depression and highest during the booming 1960s and 1980s? When crime-prone people win the lottery or become professional athletes, they still commit crime, and when low-risk people suddenly become poor, they still don’t. A person does not go out and rape someone, or even rob someone, just because he loses a job. But a dysfunctional person is unlikely to have a job, while at the same time likely to commit a crime, whether the economy is good or bad.

    Can we discuss that the reason blacks serve more time is that they are more likely to have prior criminal records? That they are more likely to use a weapon? That they are more likely to injure a victim in commission of a crime?

    Can we discuss the fact that when we count for past criminal records and the level of the offense (for example, first degree battery with a gun in a dark alley vs. fourth degree battery with just fists in a bar), the criminal system discriminates against whites and not blacks? An 1996 analysis of 55,000 big-city felony cases found that black defendants were convicted at a lower rate than whites in 12 of the 14 federally designated felony categories. Several other major studies confirmed this.

    Rather than harping on the 2 categories where blacks come out behind (such as crack vs. cocaine), can we discuss the fact that in 12 out of 14 categories of crime, 86%, whites are discriminated against? Why is the 14% when blacks lose so much more worthy of constant talk than 86% of categories that persecute white defendants? Can we discuss that?

    4. Can we discuss the radically different loan default rates between races? Blacks default almost 40% of the time on college loans, for example, while whites default only about 6% of the time.

    Can we discuss the fact that banks for forced to issue over $4.5 trillion ($4,500,000,000,000) to unqualified black borrowers which is what caused the present recession?

    5. Can we discuss IQ differences? Do they exist? Does intelligence exist? Does the IQ measure real intelligence differences? Is IQ research science or pseudo-science? Who’s trying to prevent the real science about intelligence, the science that’s recognized by all the professionals in the field, from becoming known to regular people?

    What role does IQ play in educational and occupational achievement? How much of it is genetic and how much environmental? Does the fact that there may be some environmental causes of IQ differences mean that whites are to blame? Could it be that blacks cause those environmental factors, such as due to the fact that they are less likely to breast-feed their children, a known IQ factor?

    The American Psychological Association’s Board of Scientific Affairs set up a Task Force on intelligence research which concluded that IQ scores do have high predictive validity for individual differences in school achievement. They confirmed the predictive validity of IQ for adult occupational status, even when variables such as education and family background have been statistically controlled. They agree that individual differences in intelligence are substantially influenced by genetics and that both genes and environment, in complex interplay, are essential to the development of intellectual competence. They state there is little evidence to show that childhood diet influences intelligence except in cases of severe malnutrition. The task force agrees that large differences do exist between the average IQ scores of blacks and whites, and that these differences cannot be attributed to biases in test construction.

    Can we discuss this? Could this be the source of black failure? Could this be the reason blacks go to college less and fail out of school more? Could this be the reason for crime? For high loan default rates?

    6. Can we discuss the fact that black-majority schools receive far more funding than white schools, but lag behind only because the students destroy everything from the books to the walls? The state that spends least on education per student is Utah, which is almost all white. The state that spends most is New York, with a large black population. Cities spend more than suburbs and rural areas, with black-majority cities such as Washington D.C. coming out at the top. Can we discuss why is it that black kids are more deserving of funding when everything merely gets destroyed?

    7. And while we are discussing spending, can we discuss why is it that whites who are about 65% of the population pay over 90% of the taxes? Why do whites pay a higher percentage of their salary than blacks? At the same time that they pay a higher percentage of their salary in taxes, whites get far less from the government. Only 38% of welfare recipients, for example, are white. Even fewer residents in housing projects are white. Can we discuss the massive transfer of wealth from whites to blacks every year where each and every black man, woman and child receives on an average over $10,000 more in government spending than what they pay in taxes?

    8. Can we discuss the fact that affirmative action costs our whole economy about 8% of its GDP due to the inefficiencies it creates where businesses and the government are forced to hire based on race rather than ability? Can we discuss the fact that affirmative action costs the average white family almost $25,000 and the average Asian family over $40,000, while the average black family benefits in the amount over $17,500?

    9. Can we discuss why other colonies succeed upon independence, but Africa, Haiti and the Caribbean collapsed economically? When Hong Kong was under British rule, it was wealthier than its rules in the United Kingdom and actually wealthier almost all the world’s countries. Yet black countries cannot succeed no matter what economic or political system they try, and no matter how much aid is sent to them.

    Why are all black-run countries poor? If white countries keep Africa down, then show us how? Is it all those hundreds of billions of dollars in government and private aid that goes to Africa? Why is it that other countries can overcome international pressure, but Africa is always helpless? Why is it that despite a global boycott of Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe), it was wealthier under white rule than under black rule? Same question for South Africa.

    10. If black people are portrayed poorly in the media, as you claim with no proof, please give us some examples? Can we discuss the fact that when Law & Order producers use real life stories, they nearly always change the race of criminals from black to white? All the alarm commercials feature white criminals. In all the movies I can think of where the criminal was portrayed as a purely unsympathetic figure, he was white. In rare cases when a black person is seen breaking the law, he’s usually fighting a bigger evil or defending his family, and the movie-watchers are supposed to sympathize with him.

    Whites are far more likely to commit crime in fictional media than real life, while blacks are far less likely. Is that media bias that you speak of? Bias against whom?

    If you have examples of blacks portrayed negatively (other than on the news with real life stories), can you please tell us what they are?

    Finally and most importantly, can we discuss how you never have any proof for anything you say? You just make naked assertions about “racism” and “legacies”, and then intimidate people by calling them names in hope of suppressing all two-way debates, thus turning people into cowards!

    Can we discuss that? No? Then, Mr. Holder, stop calling us cowards. You turned us into cowards by suppressing all debate.

    The only explanations that you want to allow are those that blame whites for black failure. If you don’t allow any statements about white success or black shortcomings, then the only other explanation that is available is to blame whitey.

    And isn’t that what you really want when you are calling for a dialogue on race?
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    I'm tempted to smack Eric Holder across the back of the head for that one. You know there are some whites that haven't as privileged as the upper middle-class to hang around their own ethnic gropus when growing, and thus learning from a young age that adamant racism and unsupported generalization was a no no? But no, instead we generalize the whole nation as a race of cowards. I wonder if Eric holder did any higher-risks in his life other than uttering the immense stupidity and redundancy of that statement?
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    Can we discuss that? No? Then, Mr. Holder, stop calling us cowards. You turned us into cowards by suppressing all debate.

    The only explanations that you want to allow are those that blame whites for black failure. If you don’t allow any statements about white success or black shortcomings, then the only other explanation that is available is to blame whitey.

    And isn’t that what you really want when you are calling for a dialogue on race?
    exactly +rep I cant tell u how tired i am of hearing the black community whine for all these years about how mean whitey has been to them, when there are more black people getting social benefits and welfare than whites - not to mention that when they still fail in life they somehow manage to blame whites for that too

    And the crazy thing is (no im not racist) that there are still a large number of influencial blacks who are black supremecists! I mean jeez, if u want to get into an argument about which race is superior, the blacks wouldnt even have a shot! the only races who have any room for boasting is the whites, the middle-eastern peoples and the asians. think about it: everywhere the white man has gone throughout history he has dominated. He currently rules the world. The only other races who have and still do give him a run for his money are the asians and the middle-eastern peoples. while the whites were having pointless feudal wars in europe, the asians were paving the way for science, technology, the arts, warfare, and exploration. The mongol hordes nearly brought Europe to her knees, and she was only saved by the sudden death of Genghis Khan. Today the balance of power is much the same.

    Even the indigenous peoples have more to boast of than the black man. They too have accomplished much during their existance, being subdued by the white man during the colonial period. They have coexisted with the environment, something the other races have failed to do. The Central American peoples were second only to the asians in their accomplishments in science and technology.

    The middle-eastern cultures are a rich and fertile people, being home to 3 of the 7 wonders of the world. Their advancements in every field of civilization makes them truly admirable. This area is not called the Fertile Crescent for nothing.

    But the black man has absolutely nothing to show for his time on earth. From his earlest days he has been enslaved and taken advantage of by every foreigner who touched his soil (perhaps the self-pity attitude is hereditary). He has not accomplished anything worthy of note and has spent most of his days fighting himself. Even today Africa is the most primitive and dangerous place in the world. So why do many blacks today still claim that they are the master race, being kept down by whitey (which, in and of itself, disproves their rediculous argument)? You tell me.

    I repeat I am NOT RACIST. I am only attempting to settle the silly arguments between the various racial groups.
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    I think you answered your own question, Eddie...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    Barack Obama's administration has recently gone on a racial offensive, demanding that Americans stop being cowards and discuss race. First Eric Holder called us a nation of cowards. Then a similar challenge was issued by the EPA administrator Lisa Jackson and First Lady Michelle Obama. But do they really want us to discuss race-related issues honestly? Or are they just trying to create an anti-white national assault where whites are blamed for all the minorities' problems and in this "dialogue" even complete incivility towards whites would be welcomed. If the Obama administration really wants an honest dialogue, I have some questions I would like to discuss. I suspect most Americans would like answers to at least some of these questions as well.

    1. It is a fact that whites have more than blacks in every way possible: education, money, lack of criminal record. There are only two possible explanations for it: whites did something wrong or whites did something right. If you will talk about all the evils whites allegedly perpetuated on blacks, today and hundreds of years ago, can we list something the good things whites may have done and some errors common in the black community?

    2. What proof is there that black people still suffer from slavery 150 years ago besides your claims? Do Russians still suffer from the legacy of serfdom? If so, why did Russia get rapidly wealthier after the fall of the Soviet Union and the people of Moscow are now wealthier than most Americans? If blacks still suffer from the legacy of segregation into the black ghetto, does that mean that Jews must still suffer from the legacy of the Jewish ghetto? If so, then why are Jews the wealthiest people in the United States and every other country? Why do they score the highest on academic and IQ tests?

    3. Can we discuss the fact that according to surveys of crime victims (not a survey of arrest rates, but rather a survey of victims who usually desperately want the real criminal to be caught), blacks commit 7 times more crime per capita and 10 times more violent crime per capita than whites? Furthermore, blacks commit 20 times more murders per capita than whites?

    Can we discuss the fact that 32% of black men spend over a year in prison, plus at all those who did time in county jails, received probation or were never caught?

    Can we discuss the fact that black criminals commit more crime against whites than their fellow African-Americans, despite usually living in neighborhoods with few whites, meaning that they purposely target Caucasians.

    Can we discuss the fact that poverty does not cause crime, as evidenced by the fact that America’s crime rates were lowest during the Great Depression and highest during the booming 1960s and 1980s? When crime-prone people win the lottery or become professional athletes, they still commit crime, and when low-risk people suddenly become poor, they still don’t. A person does not go out and rape someone, or even rob someone, just because he loses a job. But a dysfunctional person is unlikely to have a job, while at the same time likely to commit a crime, whether the economy is good or bad.

    Can we discuss that the reason blacks serve more time is that they are more likely to have prior criminal records? That they are more likely to use a weapon? That they are more likely to injure a victim in commission of a crime?

    Can we discuss the fact that when we count for past criminal records and the level of the offense (for example, first degree battery with a gun in a dark alley vs. fourth degree battery with just fists in a bar), the criminal system discriminates against whites and not blacks? An 1996 analysis of 55,000 big-city felony cases found that black defendants were convicted at a lower rate than whites in 12 of the 14 federally designated felony categories. Several other major studies confirmed this.

    Rather than harping on the 2 categories where blacks come out behind (such as crack vs. cocaine), can we discuss the fact that in 12 out of 14 categories of crime, 86%, whites are discriminated against? Why is the 14% when blacks lose so much more worthy of constant talk than 86% of categories that persecute white defendants? Can we discuss that?

    4. Can we discuss the radically different loan default rates between races? Blacks default almost 40% of the time on college loans, for example, while whites default only about 6% of the time.

    Can we discuss the fact that banks for forced to issue over $4.5 trillion ($4,500,000,000,000) to unqualified black borrowers which is what caused the present recession?

    5. Can we discuss IQ differences? Do they exist? Does intelligence exist? Does the IQ measure real intelligence differences? Is IQ research science or pseudo-science? Who’s trying to prevent the real science about intelligence, the science that’s recognized by all the professionals in the field, from becoming known to regular people?

    What role does IQ play in educational and occupational achievement? How much of it is genetic and how much environmental? Does the fact that there may be some environmental causes of IQ differences mean that whites are to blame? Could it be that blacks cause those environmental factors, such as due to the fact that they are less likely to breast-feed their children, a known IQ factor?

    The American Psychological Association’s Board of Scientific Affairs set up a Task Force on intelligence research which concluded that IQ scores do have high predictive validity for individual differences in school achievement. They confirmed the predictive validity of IQ for adult occupational status, even when variables such as education and family background have been statistically controlled. They agree that individual differences in intelligence are substantially influenced by genetics and that both genes and environment, in complex interplay, are essential to the development of intellectual competence. They state there is little evidence to show that childhood diet influences intelligence except in cases of severe malnutrition. The task force agrees that large differences do exist between the average IQ scores of blacks and whites, and that these differences cannot be attributed to biases in test construction.

    Can we discuss this? Could this be the source of black failure? Could this be the reason blacks go to college less and fail out of school more? Could this be the reason for crime? For high loan default rates?

    6. Can we discuss the fact that black-majority schools receive far more funding than white schools, but lag behind only because the students destroy everything from the books to the walls? The state that spends least on education per student is Utah, which is almost all white. The state that spends most is New York, with a large black population. Cities spend more than suburbs and rural areas, with black-majority cities such as Washington D.C. coming out at the top. Can we discuss why is it that black kids are more deserving of funding when everything merely gets destroyed?

    7. And while we are discussing spending, can we discuss why is it that whites who are about 65% of the population pay over 90% of the taxes? Why do whites pay a higher percentage of their salary than blacks? At the same time that they pay a higher percentage of their salary in taxes, whites get far less from the government. Only 38% of welfare recipients, for example, are white. Even fewer residents in housing projects are white. Can we discuss the massive transfer of wealth from whites to blacks every year where each and every black man, woman and child receives on an average over $10,000 more in government spending than what they pay in taxes?

    8. Can we discuss the fact that affirmative action costs our whole economy about 8% of its GDP due to the inefficiencies it creates where businesses and the government are forced to hire based on race rather than ability? Can we discuss the fact that affirmative action costs the average white family almost $25,000 and the average Asian family over $40,000, while the average black family benefits in the amount over $17,500?

    9. Can we discuss why other colonies succeed upon independence, but Africa, Haiti and the Caribbean collapsed economically? When Hong Kong was under British rule, it was wealthier than its rules in the United Kingdom and actually wealthier almost all the world’s countries. Yet black countries cannot succeed no matter what economic or political system they try, and no matter how much aid is sent to them.

    Why are all black-run countries poor? If white countries keep Africa down, then show us how? Is it all those hundreds of billions of dollars in government and private aid that goes to Africa? Why is it that other countries can overcome international pressure, but Africa is always helpless? Why is it that despite a global boycott of Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe), it was wealthier under white rule than under black rule? Same question for South Africa.

    10. If black people are portrayed poorly in the media, as you claim with no proof, please give us some examples? Can we discuss the fact that when Law & Order producers use real life stories, they nearly always change the race of criminals from black to white? All the alarm commercials feature white criminals. In all the movies I can think of where the criminal was portrayed as a purely unsympathetic figure, he was white. In rare cases when a black person is seen breaking the law, he’s usually fighting a bigger evil or defending his family, and the movie-watchers are supposed to sympathize with him.

    Whites are far more likely to commit crime in fictional media than real life, while blacks are far less likely. Is that media bias that you speak of? Bias against whom?

    If you have examples of blacks portrayed negatively (other than on the news with real life stories), can you please tell us what they are?

    Finally and most importantly, can we discuss how you never have any proof for anything you say? You just make naked assertions about “racism” and “legacies”, and then intimidate people by calling them names in hope of suppressing all two-way debates, thus turning people into cowards!

    Can we discuss that? No? Then, Mr. Holder, stop calling us cowards. You turned us into cowards by suppressing all debate.

    The only explanations that you want to allow are those that blame whites for black failure. If you don’t allow any statements about white success or black shortcomings, then the only other explanation that is available is to blame whitey.

    And isn’t that what you really want when you are calling for a dialogue on race?
    eh i agree with your point that if a serious debate on race, and on race relations in the USA should be done, then it should cover a lot of areas, and highlight not just the discrimination towards the minorities but also the social, economical and criminal problems related to them.
    The problem is that if someone discuss the latter issues he's immediatly labelled as a racist.

    But when these political figures speak of race is usually to say that whites are priviliged and should be sorry for that, and give compensation to the black minority. MEH. Personally i'm happy to live in a country with a very omogeneus population, at least we avoid all these crap issues and that shame that is "positive" discrimination (also called affirmative action).
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    According to Michelle Obama in college racism is anytime a person "feels" it...and has little to do with actual action Dont forget Reich's little comment before congress that "no one wants to see the money get in the hands of white male construction workers".

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    Excellent post, eddie. I would +rep you if I could.
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    I remind that sociological/social psychology theory (and mathematical simulations) assert rather strongly that without a degree of ingroup/outgroup discrimination human societies lose the ability to decide intelligently at collective level.

    So the correct answer would be, how do we distinguish this from racism.

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    [QUOTE=Eddie;4604858]Barack Obama's administration has recently gone on a racial offensive, demanding that Americans stop being cowards and discuss race. First Eric Holder called us a nation of cowards. Then a similar challenge was issued by the EPA administrator Lisa Jackson and First Lady Michelle Obama. But do they really want us to discuss race-related issues honestly? Or are they just trying to create an anti-white national assault where whites are blamed for all the minorities' problems and in this "dialogue" even complete incivility towards whites would be welcomed. If the Obama administration really wants an honest dialogue, I have some questions I would like to discuss. I suspect most Americans would like answers to at least some of these questions as well.

    1. It is a fact that whites have more than blacks in every way possible: education, money, lack of criminal record. There are only two possible explanations for it: whites did something wrong or whites did something right. If you will talk about all the evils whites allegedly perpetuated on blacks, today and hundreds of years ago, can we list something the good things whites may have done and some errors common in the black community?

    2. What proof is there that black people still suffer from slavery 150 years ago besides your claims? Do Russians still suffer from the legacy of serfdom? If so, why did Russia get rapidly wealthier after the fall of the Soviet Union and the people of Moscow are now wealthier than most Americans? If blacks still suffer from the legacy of segregation into the black ghetto, does that mean that Jews must still suffer from the legacy of the Jewish ghetto? If so, then why are Jews the wealthiest people in the United States and every other country? Why do they score the highest on academic and IQ tests?

    3. Can we discuss the fact that according to surveys of crime victims (not a survey of arrest rates, but rather a survey of victims who usually desperately want the real criminal to be caught), blacks commit 7 times more crime per capita and 10 times more violent crime per capita than whites? Furthermore, blacks commit 20 times more murders per capita than whites?

    Can we discuss the fact that 32% of black men spend over a year in prison, plus at all those who did time in county jails, received probation or were never caught?

    Can we discuss the fact that black criminals commit more crime against whites than their fellow African-Americans, despite usually living in neighborhoods with few whites, meaning that they purposely target Caucasians.

    Can we discuss the fact that poverty does not cause crime, as evidenced by the fact that America’s crime rates were lowest during the Great Depression and highest during the booming 1960s and 1980s? When crime-prone people win the lottery or become professional athletes, they still commit crime, and when low-risk people suddenly become poor, they still don’t. A person does not go out and rape someone, or even rob someone, just because he loses a job. But a dysfunctional person is unlikely to have a job, while at the same time likely to commit a crime, whether the economy is good or bad.

    Can we discuss that the reason blacks serve more time is that they are more likely to have prior criminal records? That they are more likely to use a weapon? That they are more likely to injure a victim in commission of a crime?

    Can we discuss the fact that when we count for past criminal records and the level of the offense (for example, first degree battery with a gun in a dark alley vs. fourth degree battery with just fists in a bar), the criminal system discriminates against whites and not blacks? An 1996 analysis of 55,000 big-city felony cases found that black defendants were convicted at a lower rate than whites in 12 of the 14 federally designated felony categories. Several other major studies confirmed this.

    Rather than harping on the 2 categories where blacks come out behind (such as crack vs. cocaine), can we discuss the fact that in 12 out of 14 categories of crime, 86%, whites are discriminated against? Why is the 14% when blacks lose so much more worthy of constant talk than 86% of categories that persecute white defendants? Can we discuss that?

    4. Can we discuss the radically different loan default rates between races? Blacks default almost 40% of the time on college loans, for example, while whites default only about 6% of the time.

    Can we discuss the fact that banks for forced to issue over $4.5 trillion ($4,500,000,000,000) to unqualified black borrowers which is what caused the present recession?

    5. Can we discuss IQ differences? Do they exist? Does intelligence exist? Does the IQ measure real intelligence differences? Is IQ research science or pseudo-science? Who’s trying to prevent the real science about intelligence, the science that’s recognized by all the professionals in the field, from becoming known to regular people?

    What role does IQ play in educational and occupational achievement? How much of it is genetic and how much environmental? Does the fact that there may be some environmental causes of IQ differences mean that whites are to blame? Could it be that blacks cause those environmental factors, such as due to the fact that they are less likely to breast-feed their children, a known IQ factor?

    The American Psychological Association’s Board of Scientific Affairs set up a Task Force on intelligence research which concluded that IQ scores do have high predictive validity for individual differences in school achievement. They confirmed the predictive validity of IQ for adult occupational status, even when variables such as education and family background have been statistically controlled. They agree that individual differences in intelligence are substantially influenced by genetics and that both genes and environment, in complex interplay, are essential to the development of intellectual competence. They state there is little evidence to show that childhood diet influences intelligence except in cases of severe malnutrition. The task force agrees that large differences do exist between the average IQ scores of blacks and whites, and that these differences cannot be attributed to biases in test construction.

    Can we discuss this? Could this be the source of black failure? Could this be the reason blacks go to college less and fail out of school more? Could this be the reason for crime? For high loan default rates?

    6. Can we discuss the fact that black-majority schools receive far more funding than white schools, but lag behind only because the students destroy everything from the books to the walls? The state that spends least on education per student is Utah, which is almost all white. The state that spends most is New York, with a large black population. Cities spend more than suburbs and rural areas, with black-majority cities such as Washington D.C. coming out at the top. Can we discuss why is it that black kids are more deserving of funding when everything merely gets destroyed?

    7. And while we are discussing spending, can we discuss why is it that whites who are about 65% of the population pay over 90% of the taxes? Why do whites pay a higher percentage of their salary than blacks? At the same time that they pay a higher percentage of their salary in taxes, whites get far less from the government. Only 38% of welfare recipients, for example, are white. Even fewer residents in housing projects are white. Can we discuss the massive transfer of wealth from whites to blacks every year where each and every black man, woman and child receives on an average over $10,000 more in government spending than what they pay in taxes?

    8. Can we discuss the fact that affirmative action costs our whole economy about 8% of its GDP due to the inefficiencies it creates where businesses and the government are forced to hire based on race rather than ability? Can we discuss the fact that affirmative action costs the average white family almost $25,000 and the average Asian family over $40,000, while the average black family benefits in the amount over $17,500?

    9. Can we discuss why other colonies succeed upon independence, but Africa, Haiti and the Caribbean collapsed economically? When Hong Kong was under British rule, it was wealthier than its rules in the United Kingdom and actually wealthier almost all the world’s countries. Yet black countries cannot succeed no matter what economic or political system they try, and no matter how much aid is sent to them.

    Why are all black-run countries poor? If white countries keep Africa down, then show us how? Is it all those hundreds of billions of dollars in government and private aid that goes to Africa? Why is it that other countries can overcome international pressure, but Africa is always helpless? Why is it that despite a global boycott of Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe), it was wealthier under white rule than under black rule? Same question for South Africa.

    10. If black people are portrayed poorly in the media, as you claim with no proof, please give us some examples? Can we discuss the fact that when Law & Order producers use real life stories, they nearly always change the race of criminals from black to white? All the alarm commercials feature white criminals. In all the movies I can think of where the criminal was portrayed as a purely unsympathetic figure, he was white. In rare cases when a black person is seen breaking the law, he’s usually fighting a bigger evil or defending his family, and the movie-watchers are supposed to sympathize with him.

    Whites are far more likely to commit crime in fictional media than real life, while blacks are far less likely. Is that media bias that you speak of? Bias against whom?

    If you have examples of blacks portrayed negatively (other than on the news with real life stories), can you please tell us what they are?

    Finally and most importantly, can we discuss how you never have any proof for anything you say? You just make naked assertions about “racism” and “legacies”, and then intimidate people by calling them names in hope of suppressing all two-way debates, thus turning people into cowards!

    Can we discuss that? No? Then, Mr. Holder, stop calling us cowards. You turned us into cowards by suppressing all debate.

    The only explanations that you want to allow are those that blame whites for black failure. If you don’t allow any statements about white success or black shortcomings, then the only other explanation that is available is to blame whitey.

    And isn’t that what you really want when you are calling for a dialogue on race?[QUOTE


    Your right None of these questions are going to be answered by Holden
    if any ones A Coward its him What he really wants is one sided argument.

    I'm glad two See someone call this guy out Evan if its only on this forum.

    BTW if A mod can fix my quote for me that would be great.
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    Ummon;

    We can, for instance, make the understanding that races do not really exists more popular and known.
    Sigh...

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    But cultures indeed do. And they tend not to be the osmotically mixing stuff multi-culti inter-culti nonsense wanted them to be.

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    Academy.

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    @Eddie

    Take a look at this lol:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaghatai Khan View Post
    @Eddie

    Take a look at this lol:

    LOL, looks like something that came right out of the British Nazi Parties bum hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2-D Ron View Post
    LOL, looks like something that came right out of the British Nazi Parties bum hole.
    Correct, sir

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    Default Re: What is a racist?

    Take a look at this.

    A discussion on the discussion of race.
    But mark me well; Religion is my name;
    An angel once: but now a fury grown,
    Too often talked of, but too little known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Skinna View Post
    Take a look at this.

    A discussion on the discussion of race.
    Thanks for the link and thanks for the comments guys, positive or negative.
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    Default Re: What is a racist?

    The western concept of Racism always confuse me as it branches out into so many areas of discussion.

    All i know is not to treat somebody dirt based on their racial or ethnic origin but judge them from their personal merit and leave it as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frontier-auxilia View Post
    The western concept of Racism always confuse me as it branches out into so many areas of discussion.

    All i know is not to treat somebody dirt based on their racial or ethnic origin but judge them from their personal merit and leave it as that.
    Exactly I compliantly agree.

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    So.. This is basicly about black people. Then again black do commit more crime then anyone else, lowest iq, lowest income compare to other races.
    Last edited by shadyrome; March 05, 2009 at 04:28 PM.

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