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    Putin and Medvedev factions locked in Kremlin financial power struggle

    Evaporation of wealth eroding PM's authority
    Security and economic cliques on collision course
    Tom Parfitt in Moscow
    The Guardian, Tuesday 3 March 2009



    Vladimir Putin and Dmitry Medvedev. Photograph: Dmitry Astakhov/AP

    Russia's financial crisis is beginning to destabilise the delicate Kremlin power balance, with a struggle between rival clans eroding Vladimir Putin's authority and aggravating his relationship with his protege, President Dmitry Medvedev.

    There are growing signs that a powerful group of military and security officials grouped around Putin are locking horns with economic liberals headed by Medvedev as the two groups fight for control of rapidly evaporating state finances.

    Medvedev marked the first anniversary of his election victory yesterday, but the triumphalism has long since dissipated.

    Russia has been hit hard by the global crisis, with the stockmarket down almost 80% from its peak, and the rouble sliding fast. Russia's top 10 billionaires alone lost an estimated $150bn last year.

    The sudden evaporation of Russia's newfound wealth has set the two Kremlin cliques on a collision course and put Putin - now prime minister - in an awkward position. As a former KGB agent he is heavily identified with the security group, known as the siloviki, but he also has strong personal loyalty to a small clique of liberals from his home town of St Petersburg.

    Experts say Putin is losing status as he attempts to contain conflict between the factions. Cracks are appearing in his relationship with Medvedev.

    "Putin used to act as an arbiter standing above the two main clans - the siloviki and the rational economists," said Dmitry Oreshkin, a leading political analyst. "Now he's been dragged down into the fight and he's under fire from both sides. The siloviki say he's a weakling incapable of imposing his will and showing the economists their place, while the economists in turn are consolidating around Medvedev."

    Medvedev, handpicked by Putin from among loyal acolytes as a successor, has begun to issue muffled criticism of his mentor, leading some to believe that he may be enjoying the trappings of power and be prepared to flex his political muscle.

    At a recent meeting with economic officials Medvedev said responses to the financial crisis - set by Putin as head of government - were "unacceptably slow" and instead of action on promised reforms there had been only "talking and talking".

    Last month Igor Yurgens, director of the Institute of Contemporary Development, a new thinktank created by Medvedev, criticised Putin for restricting press freedom and stressed that "the most honest and independent opinions on Russia's problems are coming from the liberal wing, rather than from the so-called statist patriots".

    "Medvedev has got the whiff of power in his nose and he likes it," said Mikhail Delyagin, an analyst and former government adviser on economic policy. "He's given tacit approval for his administration to engage in an information war with Putin's apparatus."

    The man at the centre of the Kremlin power struggle is the finance minister, Alexei Kudrin, who has warned the siloviki and the private corporations in which they have strong interests that the state is limiting financial rescue packages for big business.

    "The siloviki have been used to sharing out the spoils of the state," said Delyagin. "They want to get rid of Kudrin because he holds the purse strings and he's not giving them any cash."

    An $18m corruption investigation into the finance minister's deputy was renewed three weeks ago in a thinly veiled attack on his boss by the siloviki. For Putin, the problem is that Kudrin - who yesterday admitted mistakes in handling the financial crisis - is one of his deputies and an old ally from his St Petersburg days.

    The internecine struggle between Kremlin factions has prompted rumours that Putin, afraid of becoming a focal point of public discontent, recently considered the possibility of leaving his post. In this scenario, he would become speaker of the state duma, Russia's lower house of parliament, as a member of the statist United Russia party. Another scenario is that Putin will be forced to sack Kudrin in order to appease the military-security clique. A former lawyer, Medvedev has no law enforcement links in his past and is at loggerheads with key siloviki figures such as the deputy prime minister, Igor Sechin, who rely on Putin for influence. Medvedev, 43, has little of the physical aura of Putin, 56, who has burnished an action-man image by flying jets, practising judo throws and being pictured going fishing with a bare chest. Commentators, however, say the younger man is slowly gaining authority.

    "At the moment Medvedev can still walk into a room full of governors and no one will even notice him," said Delyagin. "It reminds you of Winston Churchill's phrase: 'An empty taxi pulled up at 10 Downing Street, and Clement Attlee got out'. But he is building confidence. And it shouldn't be forgotten that Attlee in fact defeated Churchill."

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    As Tom Parfitt has recorded from Moscow, it seems that Putin and Medvedev are locked in a power struggle due to the financial crisis,I think it didn't help that initially they were in denial over the crisis.I wonder who will come out top in this struggle.
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    My money is on "Pecs" Putin.
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    Two wolves fighting over a sheep.

    Putin's reign of terror will come to an end and Medvedev's will begin or back to the status quo, either way the Russian people are ed.

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    Default Re: Putin and Medvedev factions locked in Kremlin financial power struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikelus Trento View Post
    My money is on "Pecs" Putin.
    Well he's the most well built! :



    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick View Post
    Two wolves fighting over a sheep.

    Putin's reign of terror will come to an end and Medvedev's will begin or back to the status quo, either way the Russian people are ed.
    I agree

    It will be more of the same even if Medvedev comes out on top in this struggle.

    Quote Originally Posted by manofarms89 View Post
    i think someone is gonna put uranium is Medvedev's coffee .
    lol yeah and Putin will deny it

    Quote Originally Posted by Sphere View Post
    Anybody who claims to know what is going on in the kremlin...doesn't know whats going on in the kremlin.
    why do you say that?
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    Default Re: Putin and Medvedev factions locked in Kremlin financial power struggle

    i think someone is gonna put uranium is Medvedev's coffee .

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    Anybody who claims to know what is going on in the kremlin...doesn't know whats going on in the kremlin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manofarms89 View Post
    i think someone is gonna put uranium is Medvedev's coffee .
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    Putin is and has always been the one incharge, Medvedev should not be biting the hand that feeds him.
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    Default Re: Putin and Medvedev factions locked in Kremlin financial power struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Life is Rubbish View Post
    Putin is and has always been the one incharge, Medvedev should not be biting the hand that feeds him.
    Well he already has.

    Quote Originally Posted by Celsius View Post
    Putin. Putin will be the one who will come out on top.
    That won't be good though,after all he recently had put pressure on Kirghizistan to not allow NATO to use the Manas Airbase there.
    Last edited by Babur; March 03, 2009 at 01:25 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaghatai Khan View Post
    he recently had put pressure on Kirghizistan to not allow NATO to use the Manas Airbase there.
    So?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivan_the_terrible View Post
    So?
    Well that isn't good for Russia in the long term
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaghatai Khan View Post
    Well that isn't good for Russia in the long term
    I'm afraid I don't follow....

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    Putin. Putin will be the one who will come out on top.

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    Default Re: Putin and Medvedev factions locked in Kremlin financial power struggle

    Medvedev is only 5'3. He has more to prove. He will win, by the laws of Napoleon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    Medvedev is only 5's. He has more to prove. He will win, by the laws of Napoleon.
    Are you sure man? :hmmm:

    Quote Originally Posted by Harris417 View Post
    medvedev's gettin side lined or poisoned or the fsb will overthrow putin. thats my 2 cents
    No idea what would happen to Medvedev

    The siloviki (men who hold power) in the FSB have been supporters of Putin though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaghatai Khan View Post
    Are you sure man? :hmmm:
    No one expected Kruschev to win after Stalin. Putin will get too confident, too complacent, and before long he will be edged out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick View Post
    either way the Russian people are ed.
    Unfortunately.
    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    No one expected Kruschev to win after Stalin. Putin will get too confident, too complacent, and before long he will be edged out.
    The key here is "after". If I recall it right, Putin is healthy.
    Or you put Mikoyan to the same level? Or Malenkov? Oh, wait, you meant Beria...
    Still, at the time, Lavrentiy Pavlovich wasn't the power he used to be. Unlike Putin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    No one expected Kruschev to win after Stalin. Putin will get too confident, too complacent, and before long he will be edged out.
    Well that is a possibility albeit a distant one

    Quote Originally Posted by IPA35 View Post
    Not good...

    I always find Putin a very inspirational politician...
    Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    The point is Medvedev is building a faction. There is a split between the secuirity services and the others. "Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it".
    Well for example, Yuri Andropov was been in charge of the KGB although he died after 15 months as leader of the Soviet Union.So this isn't the first time perhaps that security services have tried to intefere in politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by IPA35 View Post
    So the plan was:

    Ok you replace me as President and after you I will become president again.

    But once you are president for some month you smell the power...
    Then happens...
    Yeah well power can be corrupting.
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    medvedev's gettin side lined or poisoned or the fsb will overthrow putin. thats my 2 cents

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    Not good...

    I always find Putin a very inspirational politician...
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