Liberals are running Rome

[Prince of Judah]

I just started a BI campaign as the WRE and Rome, along with parts of Italy I own are backrupting me. Italy is the first place I want to reconquer and the last I want to concede. Is there anyway to not lose Italy and actually start raking in the doe?

[Lord Feloric's Ambassador]

How is Italy bankrupting you? And what does that have to do with liberals? If you're running into problems with your cash flow then get your troops moving, conquer more land, or just disband your troops.

[Lord Feloric's Ambassador]

If you're running into problems with your cash flow then get your troops moving, conquer more land, or just disband your troops.

Does this not answer your query?

[Prince of Judah]

I love it when people respond to a question with another question. Next time you answer a queston, please ensure that it addresses my query.

[Haxiel]

The question is not clear, plus I think you are being rude.

[Rogue]

How on Earth is Italy losing you money? it's high pop and high tech. Or are you referring to the fact that it shows the denarii income as a minus? That's because the game arbitrarily assigns high maitinence costs to high-pop cities. If you abandon it the cost is not eliminated but transfered to other cities and you lose the cities income.

If you want to reduce your expenses then disband units.

[Lord Feloric's Ambassador]

The two points above are exactly the points I was trying to make. My Lord cannot help you if he doesn't understand the question. Help my Lord help you.

[aznflea]

ahhahahaha

usually Lords arent homosexual theyre more accuaretly described as pedophiles because thats what they usually do. but putting that aside, what you should do i relocate troops to stop rebellions and disband any troops you dont need. it is important to upgrade ports and economic buildings instead of military buildings at the start because it takes a while for the hordes to arrive.

[Garbarsardar]

I would be grateful if you steer the course, gentlemen.

[Lord Thesaurian]

italy in BI is bankrupt because it is threatened by hostile barbarian forces to the north; even though it has high tech it doesnt have enough revenue for the massive upkeep costs - that is unless u play on easy or med.

Anyway, its pretty hard to keep italy in BI but it can be done. Like any weak faction WRE should fiocus on appeasing enemies and maximizing income. After all WRE has to deal with a massive rebellion before she can start reclaiming her empire. Keep the barbarians at bay through diplomacy and smart defensive strategy (turning the barbarian hordes against each other and using bridges, forests, etc to maximize the effectiveness of ur tiny armies), kill the rebels and rebuild ur economy. After that, u will be the mighty Roman Empire once more, driving all enemies before u.

And about the thread title: I assume that like me, the OP is a conservative who knows that Socialst (Liberal) policies (spread the wealth, increase government, etc.) spell doom for any economy that adopts them, and was simply making a political joke.

[Rogue]

italy in BI is bankrupt because it is threatened by hostile barbarian forces to the north; even though it has high tech it doesnt have enough revenue for the massive upkeep costs - that is unless u play on easy or med.

Anyway, its pretty hard to keep italy in BI but it can be done. Like any weak faction WRE should fiocus on appeasing enemies and maximizing income. After all WRE has to deal with a massive rebellion before she can start reclaiming her empire. Keep the barbarians at bay through diplomacy and smart defensive strategy (turning the barbarian hordes against each other and using bridges, forests, etc to maximize the effectiveness of ur tiny armies), kill the rebels and rebuild ur economy. After that, u will be the mighty Roman Empire once more, driving all enemies before u.

And about the thread title: I assume that like me, the OP is a conservative who knows that Socialst (Liberal) policies (spread the wealth, increase government, etc.) spell doom for any economy that adopts them, and was simply making a political joke.

The upkeep for two stacks defending northern Italy (I've played several WRE campaigns on both VH/H and VH/VH and never needed more than two stacks) is not even close to the amount of money Italy makes. And I didn't use comitatense stacks, I used a lot of archers and limitanei.

I almost always get the WRE to solvency by turn 5. The key is to micromanage happiness/governors/taxes, disband all fleets, disband useless units, and sell off buildings you don't need (military buildings in Iberia for example)

And no, socialism =/= liberalism.

[Kharnan]

The most common WRE early strat I've seen on this forum, and used by myself is reducing your empire to Italy only (+disbanding some troops)- you won't have to pay for all this stuff that drains money from you. After your "reset", you can start rebuilding by re-conquering previous lands.

And about the thread title: I assume that like me, the OP is a conservative who knows that Socialst (Liberal) policies (spread the wealth, increase government, etc.) spell doom for any economy that adopts them, and was simply making a political joke.

Socialist is a socialist, liberal is a liberal, two different things. Liberal is like conservative on economy (which makes liberal anti-socialist by default) AND liberal on society matters which turns people attention away from hating each other. Generaly socialism destroy economy, conservatism destroy society (and in America it also grants you freaking big deficit).

[Rogue]

The most common WRE early strat I've seen on this forum, and used by myself is reducing your empire to Italy only (+disbanding some troops)- you won't have to pay for all this stuff that drains money from you. After your "reset", you can start rebuilding by re-conquering previous lands.




Socialist is a socialist, liberal is a liberal, two different things. Liberal is like conservative on economy (which makes liberal anti-socialist by default) AND liberal on society matters which turns people attention away from hating each other. Generaly socialism destroy economy, conservatism destroy society (and in America it also grants you freaking big deficit).

Well, in American political discourse "liberal"/"progressive" also frequently refers to center-left economic philosophy. (Which is not the same as socialism). You're describing what's more often known as "libertarian".

The strategy of retreating to Italy is intriguing - I think I'll try that sometime. Would one in that scenario also hold Africa/Iberia?

One thing I did was to let Salona and the province near it rebel. The ERE and some of the hordes got into a scrap that wore down them all while I restored order and built up my defenses and finances.

[Flavius Silvanus]

Paying for a lot of useless obsolete units is definitely a Conservative philosophy.

I always disband fleets when playing as the Romans for the extra income.

Hyman Rickover must be rolling over in his grave on the money wasted on the surface fleet, and manned bombers.

[Lord Thesaurian]

ok this is getting off topic again but let me set a few things straight:

In America we've suffered under the Socialist philosophy that borrowing money and putting it into programs that increase big government somehow is a good way to stimulate a nation's economy. The Republican/conservative policy of taxcuts and reducing the power of the government is what made America the richest and most powerful country in the world (even beating the British Empire in terms of revenue and standard of living) by 1900, just 124 years after its founding.

And i guess socialism is considered rather conservative in in Europe in light of ur ruinous exposure to Communism (East Europe under USSR), but here in America Socialism is treasonous liberalism. That is why, after waking up to the fact that we elected a socialist president (who is borrowing trillions on our already insurmountable debt and deficit, as well as increasing big government more than any American president has), we are holding delightful little "tea parties" in protest all across the country.

[|Sith| Max]

ok this is getting off topic again but let me set a few things straight:

In America we've suffered under the Socialist philosophy that borrowing money and putting it into programs that increase big government somehow is a good way to stimulate a nation's economy. The Republican/conservative policy of taxcuts and reducing the power of the government is what made America the richest and most powerful country in the world (even beating the British Empire in terms of revenue and standard of living) by 1900, just 124 years after its founding.

And i guess socialism is considered rather conservative in in Europe in light of ur ruinous exposure to Communism (East Europe under USSR), but here in America Socialism is treasonous liberalism. That is why, after waking up to the fact that we elected a socialist president (who is borrowing trillions on our already insurmountable debt and deficit, as well as increasing big government more than any American president has), we are holding delightful little "tea parties" in protest all across the country.

No actually European states spend more money in taking care of their citizens because of something called "The industrial revolution" there the work conditions where so bad that either employers take good care of their workers or there would be a revolt and then we would actually have communism. You let the living conditions for the common man in your country fall too low and the result is a socialist president. be happy it is not a communist president and stop criticizing the rest of us.

[GeneralChaos]

Perhaps set taxes to none and allow the free market to work its magic might help?

[Lord Thesaurian]

pm me if u would like to take this up in the Political Academy or Mudpit.

[|Sith| Max]

i have absolutely no interest in discussing like that. i am just saying that it has nothing to do with communism here. maybe where they live it does. not in western europe.

[mikoli]

This my guide to victory as WREhttp://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=221733