British Naval Flag

[Xugaa]

Hi,

I apologise if this has already been brought up, but does anyone know if the British naval flag has been corrected for the official release? If not, is there some historical accuracy to the civil ensign being used? Obviously I'm just going by the demo, perhaps both flags are used in-game which would be interesting.

Thanks :hmmm:

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9943/hmsvictory.jpg

[105348]

Take a look at some screens and see if you can find any british naval units?

[Kewpur]

Doesn't look like it. But it's still possible.

Especially with mods, You could make a simple picture that looks like that flag and replace the files.

[SGT Grimm 978]

Its a flag, I wouldn't have noticed anyways. It is easier to have the same flags for every faction and unit though, less confusing.

[Xugaa]

Why not the right one then, plus it stands out somewhat more than the red

[Sisko]

Why not the right one then, plus it stands out somewhat more than the red

Yes I noticed this also. It was only on the odd occasion that British naval ships flew the red ensign, but for the most part it was the "King's Ensign" which was the English flag with the Union Jack in the corner that was predminantly flown from British warships

[Markas]

Only in 1864 was the white ensign recognised as the sole naval ensign of the RN. Before that:

In 1707, Acts of Union, ratifying the Treaty of Union that had been agreed the previous year, were passed by the parliaments of England and Scotland, thereby uniting the Kingdom of Scotland with the Kingdom of England (which included the Principality of Wales) in the United Kingdom of Great Britain. This resulted in a new red ensign which placed the first Union Flag in the first quarter. The new design of the Red Ensign was proclaimed by Queen Anne, who indicated that it was to be used by both the navy and ships owned by "our loving subjects." This was the flag that flew over the thirteen American colonies before the American Revolution and was a precursor to the flag of the United States.

Later on-

The Royal Navy used the White Ensign in conjunction with the Red and Blue, due to the rank structure employed at the time. Each grade of admiral (rear-, vice- and full) was sub-divided into levels of seniority: red, white, and blue. Ships attached to an admiral's squadron would then fly the ensign appropriate to that particular admiral.

[Xugaa]

Thanks Markas, I'm happy with that.

[JFC]

Just to add what Markas has placed...

The ensigns used are not wrong.

During the time when Britian had a navy with more ships than i'd had hot dinners, it utilised three fleets... red, white and blue, each with respective admirals. Thus Admiral of the White, Admiral of the red, etc and so therefore the ensigns were born.

Thus the red ensign was adopted by the merch fleet when the white ensign became the standard flag of commisioned ships of the royal navy and the blue by ships not as yet commissioned by her/his majesty into the fleet.

The commission pennant, a small triangular flag, flown on the main mast, would grow in size for each year the ship served. The hoisting of the commission pennant is considered the key moment in the commissioning of a ship. Once hoisted, it flies continuously, night and day. Thus when on decommissioning, the commission pennant would be seen flying from the main mast, way past the stern and into the water (if serving for many years.) I know not relevant but thought you might like to know!

[Graf zu Adler]

Now thats one long fella.....how many years had she been in service by the time of that photo, jfc?

And you confirmed what I said about the 3 fleets

[Vowlesy]

I believe, and this is shaky. That it was flown (or is) in order of Rank, Blue Ensign being the lowest, white the second and red the highest.

[Graf zu Adler]

Nowadays it is White for the navy, blue for state ships (coast guards etc) and red for civvy vessels.....then t was red for civvys, and all 3 for the navy, divided into red, blue and white squadrons.....or that's what I've read.....the red one does look awkward for one used to the white oe, though...

[Vade101]

If i recall the Red Ensign was also flown by British Warships not under the command of a specific Admiral whose rank would be indicated by the colour of the ensign (i.e. under general Admiralty orders). it would be interesting if the flags changed due to a 'named' admiral being present in the fleet, but that would probably be a detail too far

[Panchito]

Hi,

I apologise if this has already been brought up, but does anyone know if the British naval flag has been corrected for the official release? If not, is there some historical accuracy to the civil ensign being used? Obviously I'm just going by the demo, perhaps both flags are used in-game which would be interesting.

Thanks :hmmm:

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9943/hmsvictory.jpg

All nations have one flag for all units. Naval banners do not seem to be in implementation. Of course a mod will sort this out as changing flags is rather simple.

[Stavroforos]

Only the Dutch and Brits seem to get special flags for naval units or land units, so be happy with that.

[Markas]

Some factions will get unique naval ensigns because their naval ensigns were not just the standard flag. The French naval ensign at this time was a blank white flag or the golden lillies on white, I think.

EDIT- they were banned from being all-white in the late 1600's. I guess the enemy would be confused that they had surrendered before battle!

[JFC]

Some factions will get unique naval ensigns because their naval ensigns were not just the standard flag. The French naval ensign at this time was a blank white flag or the golden lillies on white, I think.

EDIT- they were banned from being all-white in the late 1600's. I guess the enemy would be confused that they had surrendered before battle!

What the French? Never!!

By the way that's sarcasm... The French Navy have a black stripe on their rank tabs CC CF CV.... this is to mourne the loss at Trafalgar. Shame...

[Keyser]

Some factions will get unique naval ensigns because their naval ensigns were not just the standard flag. The French naval ensign at this time was a blank white flag or the golden lillies on white, I think.

EDIT- they were banned from being all-white in the late 1600's. I guess the enemy would be confused that they had surrendered before battle!

Iirc the french naval ensign was a white cross on a blue field (like in the modern flag of quebec or the french antillas) but the ships owned by the king flew his colors (white since the bourbon), that's why the royal navy used the white ensign.
As time passed more and more merchant ships flew the white ensign too (is was supposed to offer a better protection).

By the way, the modern tricolor flag was first the naval ensign of the republic, the army used several combinations of the three colors with various designs and there was no real "national flag" at the begining of the revolution.

[El Sid]

There was also an "admiral of the yellow", lol.

From Wikipedia.

"Another way was to promote unsuccessful captains to the rank of admiral without distinction of squadron (a practice known as yellowing—the Captain so raised became known as a yellow admiral"

[upsettingshorts]

There was also an "admiral of the yellow", lol.

From Wikipedia.

"Another way was to promote unsuccessful captains to the rank of admiral without distinction of squadron (a practice known as yellowing—the Captain so raised became known as a yellow admiral"

Yup: