China report denounces US rights abuse

[Invisible Sky Magician]

I decided to make a new thread since this news got lost in the other thread here http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=229266

To bring you up to date, about a week ago, the US State Department released a report criticising China for its human rights failures.

China first responded to that report by saying that the US should stop acting as a moral guardian because they (America) arent so perfect themselves.

China has now further responded by releasing their OWN report citing rights abuse in the US.

What are your views on this issue?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/7914357.stm

China has responded in detail to a US report published this week criticising China for alleged rights abuses.

Beijing released its own report on the US, saying crime is a threat to many Americans and racial discrimination prevails in social life across the US.

When US officials first published their report on China, Beijing told them to mind their own business.

The BBCs James Reynolds, in Beijing, says the reports are a standard yearly exchange with little practical impact.

The 9,000-word Chinese report depicts a bleak picture of the US, saying violent crime is a widespread threat to peoples lives, property and personal security.

The American peoples economic, social and cultural rights are not properly protected, say the Chinese, and many young Americans have personality disorders.

The US practice of throwing stones at others while living in a glass house is testimony to the double standards and hypocrisy of the United States in dealing with human rights issues, says the report.

Beijings report came after the US state department concluded in its annual report on rights around the world that Chinas human-rights record worsened in some areas in 2008.

[Admiral Piett]

I guess that the Chinese don't really hold individual liberty very high. If I were them, I would have focused on cases where individual liberties are threatened. Instead it focus on social and cultural rights. I guess I should have guessed. They fit the communist stereotype pretty well. The collective mindset always prevails over individual freedom.

And young Chinese people don't have personality disorders? Come on! Isn't it a statistic that 1 in 4 people have some form of mental disorder whether its mild to severe? Hell, I know I'm one of them, but of course that's not the point.

[Chukada1]

I guess that the Chinese don't really hold individual liberty very high. If I were them, I would have focused on cases where individual liberties are threatened. Instead it focus on social and cultural rights. I guess I should have guessed. They fit the communist stereotype pretty well. The collective mindset always prevails over individual freedom.

Do they fit the communist stereotype or do they fit the Chinese stereotype?

[Admiral Piett]

Do they fit the communist stereotype or do they fit the Chinese stereotype?

Communist. No regard for individual variance.

[Chukada1]

Communist. No regard for individual variance.

That's a matter of opinion.

[cristophe el perno]

US might not be perfect, but in terms of human rights they're certinaly doing better than China.

There's a certian amount of pot calling the kettle black in both reports.

[Haakon]

China is acting like a little child. "But they are bad toooooo!"
Fact is, China and a lague of non democratic nations (muslim nations) are all battling in the UN to limit human rights.

[Kiljan Arslan]

China is acting like a little child. "But they are bad toooooo!"
Fact is, China and a lague of non democratic nations (muslim nations) are all battling in the UN to limit human rights.

Wow more bigotry in this thread


ISM I am by far no fan of china but its obfvious you completley hate china and are not being in anyway objective towards it.

[Viking Prince]

First of all -- a bit of discussion regarding all governments is healthy. If China were to issue this type of report annually for all nations, I think it can be a worthwhile project. To just issue a report on the USA smacks more a child getting caught though.

[Denny Crane!]

I can see why they did it, the hypocricy is inherent in the USA criticising Human rights and there is nothing wrong with highlighting it.

[GuineaPig]

The U.S. tortures suspected terrorists. That's bad.


But it's not the same as running your own citizens over with tanks. And it doesn't even come close to the things done under Mao.

[Chukada1]

The U.S. tortures suspected terrorists. That's bad.


But it's not the same as running your own citizens over with tanks. And it doesn't even come close to the things done under Mao.

Which is irrelevent to the discussion.

American Human Rights abuse are bad, but it doesn't come close to rounding up Jews and exterminating them like Hitler, is not a valid arguement. I'd like to stay in the 21th century please.

[★Bandiera Rossa☭]

Which is irrelevent to the discussion.

American Human Rights abuse are bad, but it doesn't come close to rounding up Jews and exterminating them like Hitler, is not a valid arguement. I'd like to stay in the 21th century please.

I would take Hitler any day over the past 8 years of Bush... I don't want hard working peoples money to go to welfare.. No problem with disability and stuff like that but welfare... doesn't that interfere with our right to Life, Liberty and, the pursuit of happiness?

[Chukada1]

I would take Hitler any day over the past 8 years of Bush... I don't want hard working peoples money to go to welfare.. No problem with disability and stuff like that but welfare... doesn't that interfere with our right to Life, Liberty and, the pursuit of happiness?

No you wouldn't.

[danzig]

Wonder how long it took to come up with this report, I find it hilarious really how absolutely pathetic the chinese can be.

I would take Hitler any day over the past 8 years of Bush... I don't want hard working peoples money to go to welfare.. No problem with disability and stuff like that but welfare... doesn't that interfere with our right to Life, Liberty and, the pursuit of happiness?

Ill assume you are just being funny here because if you really believe it then I suggest picking up a history book.

[GuineaPig]

Which is irrelevent to the discussion.

American Human Rights abuse are bad, but it doesn't come close to rounding up Jews and exterminating them like Hitler, is not a valid arguement. I'd like to stay in the 21th century please.

What I was saying was, that regardless of current or past American human rights abuses, they pale in comparison to the bevy of Chinese ones.

It really pisses me off when people say Western nations can't criticize other nations on human rights abuses. They pretend there's no difference between Canada and the U.S. and Saudi Arabia and China.

There's a world of difference.

[gojira]

The U.S. tortures suspected terrorists. That's bad.

But it's not the same as running your own citizens over with tanks. And it doesn't even come close to the things done under Mao.

Mao was some 70 years ago and the "tank atrocity" was in the 70/80ies if I remember correctly.
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We should put our focus on the actual contexts, and there I do not see/hear a great difference between the US and China. The US is just the dictatorship you know more about, if its worse than the dictatorship in china, of which you dont know that much about?- I doubt it.
I doubt the US is any better than china in human right terms.

The point goes finally to china, as they at least dont have that hypocricy by criticising others as in contrast, the US does.

[GuineaPig]

Mao was some 70 years ago and the "tank atrocity" was in the 70/80ies if I remember correctly.
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We should put our focus on the actual contexts, and there I do not see/hear a great difference between the US and China. The US is just the dictatorship you know more about, if its worse than the dictatorship in china, of which you dont know that much about?- I doubt it.
I doubt the US is any better than china in human right terms.

The point goes finally to china, as they at least dont have that hypocricy by criticising others as in contrast, the US does.

If you think the U.S. is on the same level as China nowadays, you have no idea what you're talking about.

The last time I checked, the U.S. doesn't arrest political dissidents and force them into hard labour. The States don't execute criminals and then charge their families for the bullet. They don't oppress and repress religions. And they certainly don't take organs from members of religions they repress.

In the States people vote to determine their leader. I don't know if you've noticed, but you voice a lot of unpopular and anti-government sentiments. You can't do that in China. Hell, you couldn't even access a website in China that was deemed "politically inappropriate".

If you honestly think there's no real difference between the West and China, do this: move. Move to China. And if you don't like it, well, you'll find that unlike Westerners Chinese aren't allowed to determine where they live.

[bushbush]

You can't do that in China. Hell, you couldn't even access a website in China that was deemed "politically inappropriate".

not really.

you'll find that unlike Westerners Chinese aren't allowed to determine where they live.

not really.

i understand the sentiment to exaggerate and demonize the conditions in China to fit your own world view but alot of them are just not accurate.

[Aziel]

Mao was some 70 years ago

More like 30 years ago, but that's okay.