Arretium mine income confusion...

[KittySN]

So I started playing this mod today, having a lot of fun, and I noticed that mine values were much higher, so I naturally built one in Arretium on my first turn. Projected values were +1250. Now on turn 3, the Greeks laid siege to Messana and Hannibal is about to attack Reghion. I anticipated this, so I'd sailed Flavius between the vunerable provinces after swapping Quintus out, but I just noticed a dramatic treasury increase: Arretium is giving me +5625 for mining!? What!? With this, I can easily kill the Greek general and 5 Spartan units with Flavius and slip back across with a ton of recruited Hasati in Reghion to doubleteam Hannibal. Is is incredible increase in mining income a bug? Is there a file location I can make it +1250 instead? I feel like I'm cheating now!! Thanks for any help!!

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[saienga]

Just wait, my friend. It's no bug.

You'll want to leave that income alone. I don't want to spoil anything, but our friendly designer LT has definitely made the AI work hard enough to force you to spend like it's going out of style. I don't know if you've noticed yet, but you get all of the units you queue up on the next turn...they don't get cranked out one at a time anymore. Well...the AI does this, too. I won't wreck it any further. Suffice it to say, life gets interesting a few turns in.

Also, there are "House Rules" written by the developer (LT_1956) designed to make the experience more enjoyable (read: a little tougher and strategic). You can find them here.

I'm quite the newbie at this myself, but I'm eager to help anybody...plus, I'm online! Enjoy.

EDIT: Have you fought Hannibal yet? If not, you might be...surprised when you do.

[KittySN]

I know, I read that in the log. And I read over the house rules too. I usually play much like that anyway. I just didn't expect such an exorbitant source of income! I love that my lack of income is forcing me to stretch my budget and be very strategic in my positioning. Even though Gaul is now attacking Genua, I kind of saw this coming and prepared with walls and reinforcements. I'm just afraid, judging from my highly defensive style, that after about 5 turns I'll no longer be an underdog, and I'll have enough money to start engaging in counterattacks. No, I haven't fought Hannibal yet, but with 2 powerful stacks, I'm failing to see the impending challenge! Quite frankly, I'm more concerned with the Spartan unbreakable moral than Hannibal. And Theophanes is marching into my trap for the same fate.

[czePowerslave]

I know, I read that in the log. And I read over the house rules too. I usually play much like that anyway. I just didn't expect such an exorbitant source of income! I love that my lack of income is forcing me to stretch my budget and be very strategic in my positioning. Even though Gaul is now attacking Genua, I kind of saw this coming and prepared with walls and reinforcements. I'm just afraid, judging from my highly defensive style, that after about 5 turns I'll no longer be an underdog, and I'll have enough money to start engaging in counterattacks. No, I haven't fought Hannibal yet, but with 2 powerful stacks, I'm failing to see the impending challenge! Quite frankly, I'm more concerned with the Spartan unbreakable moral than Hannibal. And Theophanes is marching into my trap for the same fate.

Dude, trust us that you will need the money. Do not think that you will have enough in the future. Once Gauls start pounding at your door and you will feel the need to recruit more troops for conquest, you will see how precious those mines are

[Raglan]

I know, I read that in the log. And I read over the house rules too. I usually play much like that anyway. I just didn't expect such an exorbitant source of income! I love that my lack of income is forcing me to stretch my budget and be very strategic in my positioning. Even though Gaul is now attacking Genua, I kind of saw this coming and prepared with walls and reinforcements. I'm just afraid, judging from my highly defensive style, that after about 5 turns I'll no longer be an underdog, and I'll have enough money to start engaging in counterattacks. No, I haven't fought Hannibal yet, but with 2 powerful stacks, I'm failing to see the impending challenge! Quite frankly, I'm more concerned with the Spartan unbreakable moral than Hannibal. And Theophanes is marching into my trap for the same fate.

well i have to say this is a first - make sure you play with the script and give it time and you'll soon change your mind

[saienga]

Give it a few turns. You might find yourself really grateful for a cushion in the bank account.

This Mod is full of surprises.

Also, on a more pratical level, the mines are built the way they are because the diplomacy is harder in SPQR. World no likee Rome. In the beginning, you're stuck without friendly trading partners unless you're really lucky (or persistent) and once you start to expand, you'll need all the internal revenue you can lay hands on.

[Hesus de bodemloze]

I love it when new people think this mod will be easy for them.

Our lord LT balanced the game just perfectly for roman play, you will need all the money you can get. As other members (new as well as veterans) already stated this mod is full of surprise you will notice how hard the mod gets when proceeding. Be sure to play it on M/M settings while using the script and house rules you will just love the mod and won' t play any other mod or you will disband the mod and retreat your self in shame because you whern' t able to control it. You probably will just love the mod like all of us do.

[KittySN]

M/M

I've never played anything but VH/VH in TW games. Is M/M better?? And I'll hold you guys to your boasts! I am enjoying it a heck of a lot more though. The AI is very agressive, even if only an onslaught. I had to start over too. Now knowing Reghion gave +2500 instead of +1250 changed my tactics, but turns out I have the same position. For my first battle, I just cracked an experienced Gaul stack attacking Genua with my garrison at the end of turn 2. Only took an hour to play... A heroic victory never felt so good: you feel like you earned it! Now one army turned around they're keeping their distance! It ought to buy a couple turns of peace. I'll have eject Greece from Messana, then beat Hannibal and Theophanes tomorrow.

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[Hesus de bodemloze]

If you wan' t to finish your campaign you should play it on M/M settings, a lot of people think thy need to play this mod on VH/VH man did thy come to sense when thy noticed thy could n' t win it. lol Realy a lot of people started threads and where bragging on thy where playing on VH and afther a few days thy realized thy should have started on M/M the only people who keep saying thy still play on VH hare the once that are cheating there game.

[Ejergard]

Fully built up, the income you get is enough to support 1 full legion per town. This is really needed, since later on you want to keep atleast 3-4 legions defending your north border, and another 4-5 legions invading lands overseas for starters. To make logistics more challenging for me, I only let Biremes take 1 unit, Triremes 2 units and Quinceremes 3 units when shipping out. This means you will need alot of ships to freight 4-5 legions to an invasion and you WILL be short on cash...

Good luck and have fun

[Valerius Tiberius]

mines are indeed very good

check your detailed income scroll from arretium (heck, just post it!!)
and you'll see, indeed, mining brings in a lot of cash

[czePowerslave]

Oh, and there is issue that VH/VH does not work as it should regarding the difficulty

[Raglan]

biggest advice - follow house rules it stops you from taking advantage of any holes in the rtw game

[KittySN]

I'll give it VH/VH a shot. I imagine progress will just be unbearable after a while, but why not. I enjoy struggling through a game much more than actually winning. I usually play by weird personalized house rules too, would should make it really interesting: like no losses or draws allowed (makes negotiating fleets tricky), no losing or trading settlements, no general deaths in battle, no adoptions and no assassins. I'm sort of OCD on the "perfect game"...

[saienga]

I'll give it VH/VH a shot. I imagine progress will just be unbearable after a while, but why not. I enjoy struggling through a game much more than actually winning. I usually play by weird personalized house rules too, would should make it really interesting: like no losses or draws allowed (makes negotiating fleets tricky), no losing or trading settlements, no general deaths in battle, no adoptions and no assassins. I'm sort of OCD on the "perfect game"...

Oh my!

Well, welcome home. If you want to struggle for the "perfect game", SPQR will keep you busy for a looooong time.

[lt1956]

KittySN,

Glad you are liking the Mod, my suggestion is RESTART your game and play on M/M you wont finish the game without cheating on H/H or VH/VH.

SPQR mod is designed to get harder as the game progresses, dont let the beginning fool you, alot of people found it too hard, but in time those that dont find it hard find the overall mod gets harder.

I suggest playing with the script as this gives wonderful sieges more turns per year and prevents the fast spam of taking cities which isnt historical anyway, almost all towns had some sort of defense and the script makes this happen.

Houserules will really make the mod shine, as the made was made to my style of play and hence, will be best played like my style, because its tweaked in such a way to make challenges if you do. Overall this mod teaches you Logistics which is a military term used for troops placements and supply etc. Overall I think you will find the mod challenging as it WILL get harder as you go on, I believe the only mod that gets harder as you play further.

Best thing to do is listen to the designer and give it a try, then when you play about 80 years if you dont like what I suggest play your way. But give it atleast 80 years to see if you like it or its challenging.

[cnaeus]

lol. i really dont get the reason it sais heroic victory because your garisson is totally ruined XD

cnaeus,

[Nano_Magnus]

Please inform us about your progres, it will be realy interesting.

Bye

[Raglan]

Please inform us about your progres, it will be realy interesting.

Bye

yes please do we all like to hear other stories but please post them in this thread

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...206841&page=23

it's approiately named Post your Empire, share your stories!

[czePowerslave]

I am too curious about the progress of Kitties campaign