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    Default Fall of the Cross & Rise of the Crescent (FCRC) - General Discussion (until release FCRC 1.0)







    A ChivTW submod campaign project, taken over by Bull3pr00f.
    Find out more current things from on ca. post # 64, page 4.

    Edit:
    This here is the public development/discussion thread.
    In the meantime it got its hidden dev forum.

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    Initial Former Summary (some things have changed in the meantime)
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    # ... or short: ChivTW - FCRC
    # ... is a ChivTW (official) submod, worked out by fans and under the initiation and (active) support by DaVinci
    # The base for the modding-work is the Crusader Epoche campaign
    # Startdate 1191 ; Enddate 1311 (120 years, 240 turns)

    Development-Goal: As bonus campaign content with an official ChivTW Gold version release (due somewhere after the official planned ChivTW Patch 1.1 release).

    Team-Members
    DaVinci (DV) - Initial Manager, Basic Campaign Structure (preliminary camp folder + other: descr_strat/descr_regions/regions_and_settlements, campaign_descriptions, family tree coding + names files, events, campaign script)
    necroproject ("Necro") - Mapping/Coding (all map changes)
    Bull3pr00f ("Bull") - Balancing/Testing
    USC Trojans ("Trojans") - Researchment: Family Tree's, Region Ownerships

    Factions (copy of the list in the official mod info with slight changes)
    The 20 Playable Factions
    Christian (Catholic):
    Comune di Pisa (Italians, Italian City States)
    Regnum Castilić (Leon-Castile)
    Ducatus Bohemić (Bohemia)
    Regnum Ungarić (Hungaria)
    Regnum Francić (Franks) with Crusader State: Tripoli
    Sacrum Imperium Romanum (East-Franks, Germans)
    Regnum Anglić (Norman-England) with Crusader States: Cypros + Acre
    Regnum Sicilić (Siculo-Normans) with Crusader State: Antiochia
    Magnus Ducatus Polonić (Poland)
    Regnum Danić (Denmark)
    Corona Aragonć (Aragon, Barcelona)
    Christian (Orthodox/other):
    Basileia ton Rhomaion (Roman Empire)
    Kievskaya Velikiy kniazhestvo (Rus)
    Principatus Armenić de Cilicia (Armenians)
    Muslim (Shiits+Sunnits):
    al-Murabitun (Andalusia, Granada, Morocco)
    al-Fatimiyyun (Fatimids, Reststate of Egypt)
    al-Salajiqa (ex-Grand Seljuk Empire, Turks) -> United Caliphates: Syria, Iraq, Egypt
    al-Salājiqa al-Rűm (Rum Seljuks, Turks)
    al-Ziri (Berbers, Tunesia)
    Pagan:
    Desht-i Qipchaq (Cumans, Kipchaqs)

    plus tons of historical independent factions (non-playable).



    Pre-story (the origin announcement)
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    ... a possible additional campaign.

    Long version: "The Fall of the Cross, the Rise of the Crescent"
    - or short: ChivTW - FCRC

    would be the timeframe from Anno Domini 1187 - 1310 (122 years).

    The main title event is of course the undergoing Kingdom of Jerusalem in 1187. Salah Ad Din (Saladin), after uniting the Muslims, takes Jerusalem. The victorious army puts down the cross and rises the crescent. Never again Jerusalem became a christian city (after holding the Kingdom of Jerusalem for 90 years).

    The other main event is naturally the 3rd crusade, where 3 princes of the mightiest european realms go eastwards to free the holy land:
    * Friedrich I. 'Barbarossa', Emperor of the HRE, and King of the Germans/East-Franks
    * Philipp II. August, King of the Franks (France)
    * Richard I. Plantagenet, King of Norman-England and the Angevine Empire on the continent

    It is a very interesting timeframe for the whole map, just with significant changes on the strategy map. Of course the most settlements would be much more developed, as the main powers at this time were in a quite good shape. It is the time of the height of the High Middleage, as the economy was really prosporous, not at least due to the former 1st crusade, and its new commercial relations between the east and west.
    Big changes on the map: For example Norman-Sicily was a very rich and modern state and fought on with the Romans: Roger II. King of Apulia, Calabria and Sicily, expanded to the borders of the Papal States, and even dreamed to take the Roman Empire under his realms. Henry II. of Anjou-Plantagenet, the Norman-English King held the Angevine Empire and conquered Ireland. The Reconquista expanded its realms, lot's of trouble in and around the HRE and Italy. Nur Ad Din has driven out the Fatmids from Egypt, preparing the unification of the Muslims in the relevant East, what leads to the fall of the crusader states by Saladin. ... far later, the Mongols arrived at the european borders at AD 1223.

    Now, you ask, what shall all this here? Yes, this is a reasonable question. A few days ago i told Athenogoras from this campaign idea, and he said this would be awesome. But the point is:

    Well, i personally have no time to provide this campaign.

    And, i just wanted to make a suggestion for a quasi independent submod campaign.

    My role would be just the initiator and a consultant to keep the historical-realism design, because this would be the sole requirement that i hand over this mod idea to somebody who is willing and capable to mod this campaign design. This concerns in principle only the campaign folder files, and a few text folder files for some re-naming/descriptive actions (ie. some faction name changes and faction descriptions plus new file regions_and_settlements) - as add-on mod for the main ChivTW installation. Even if this modding concerns not that much files, it makes a lot work (researchment and creating the codes for descr_strat and probably a bit in descr_regions, descr_merc, hist_events ... perhaps also a few more ancs and traits to reflect some faction leaders with correct titles).

    Some might say, hey there is the mod calling 'The Crusades' done by Caius. I'm very much aware of this, unfortunately this excellent masterpiece doesn't have a stable campaign mode, and is anyway something completely different as a ChivTW - FCRC would be.
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    Default Re: Fall of the Cross & Rise of the Crescent

    well, i'm busy with many things right now....but if i ever get time to look into some tutorials about those text files (descr_unit, descr_building, the campaign files)

    ...well, i think i've got the taste now, so i might want to help on this...WHEN i can do those things, and WHEN somebody else signs up...yes, then i might just help in this....

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    Sounds like a great idea wish i could help but i know nothing ,i hope you pull it off tho good luck !

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    well, i have no experience aswell, but i did some mapping yesterday and i am proud of my first piece of art: Acre, i also looked up some tuts...it's really not that difficult, since we only need other starting positions, other Family Members, other starting years, other victory conditions and a few extra settlement....piece of cake!

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    You would just make a copy of the camp folder crusader_epoche and edit the needed files in there, which are primarily descr_strat and the camp script file as minimum.
    Nonetheless to make the research for the circumstances in the starting year and for the family tree (which could be abstracted though from the existing one) will take the most time consume. Ie. i would only - to make the coding work shorter - change the main characters, just the royal family, and remove some, which are complete out of time.

    If somebody would give me a reliable list of family members per faction, then in principle i could provide this campaign in quite short time as first rough version to go with, but honestly i wanted to see others active for this campaign project - maybe making it really a detailled change of the existing chivalry world (by keeping the chiv-like conventions though).
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    SURPRISE, next to the intro vid i'm working on this....pretty fun


    i only ran into one problem on mapping; i am trying to place Acre, followed 2 different tutorials;


    one problem: i'm editing a copy of the crusader_epoche right now, since everything is in place and it only needs other starting positions and years etc. etc.

    the tutorials say something about a settlement_and_region_lookup file, yet i can't find this for the crusader epoche! So i skip that step, but when i try to play the crusader_epoche it gives me the error:

    "script error in crusader_epoche/descr_strat.txt
    at line 9673, column 1.

    You have choesen an invalid tile(0, 0) for the settlement of"

    and that's it...i don't know if you have knowledge of this, but what kind of error is this? have i placed it at a mountain or anything?

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    Of course i have knowledge (if you meant me with this comment), but i do not intend to make tutorials on how to provide the campaign files etc.
    And yes, you have placed obviously something on a wrong/invalid place.

    As a modding starter, you should not create already new regions, as this requires not only to editing descr_strat. My recommendation is that you go with the existing files, for now.
    The mentioned _regions_and_settlement.txt file lives in the text folder, but you only need to touch this file if you indeed intend to create new regions or if you wanna change their names ... oh, wait you mean the lookup file: the _lookup.txt file is a redundant file, ignore this in those tutorials.

    In the whole i suggest that you stick with one project at a time, just for now the video project using the other by you thread ... good to hear you make progress on this ... i'm tensed to see your results, uploaded there to get a view. But no need to rush Bull, however, if this will be a fitting content for Chiv's intro, then of course that will find its way into the patch 1.1
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    hey, i'm doing this for fun...just let me go my way :....i WILL find my mistake, and the best way to learn is to do everything by yourself, not just look for tutorials (and no, i was not asking for a tutorial....i did everything right, but i'm going to look up the regions.tga, if i remember correctly there may be a watchtower in that place (it's always there at the start of the camp)

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    if i remember correctly there may be a watchtower in that place (it's always there at the start of the camp)
    Nope, i haven't positioned a watchtower anywhere for the startmap.

    and the best way to learn is to do everything by yourself, not just look for tutorials
    Correct, but time consuming of course.
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    i've got no life, so it doesn't matter

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    Well if i can help some manner be glad to ,bearing in min as i said no nothing about modding ,be glad to help .If its moral support you have it .

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    I'm OK to help a little. A little necessary

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    yup....you did some things about mapping, right?

    maybe you can at least do that....
    Then we'll only have to change the starting positions, add some scripts....set the relationships, change the starting date and then we are done!

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    I'm not sure what you mean with "adding some scripts" ... Chiv has not a show_me script anymore. You should try to design this mod without to require a show_me script activation. Remember the player installs your submod as add-on.

    and then we are done!
    That sounds "hopeful" ... lol.
    You'll have also to change the family tree's and change/add faction descriptions. As for region ownerships etc.: The start situation has to reflect the history (the start date) as far as it is possible.
    And, if you have a quasi beta campaign setup, you'll have to playtest it, verifying the AI is working along the goals, and have to balance the whole thing, making sure, the AI won't play out complete ahistorical. While, one thought could be to make a lot factions unplayable, focusing on the crusader factions and the muslim factions, as playable factions - but this is a matter of playtesting, ie. if the focused factions play out properly as AI steered factions, then in principle all factions could be playable as usually.
    Oh, and you should think about to change the current Cumans/Kipchaqs to a stronger faction, eventually could reflect the Hordes (under Mongol rule), which also shall be a threat for the Muslims, and as reminder iirc the Mongols appeared 1223 AD at the borders of Europe. However it would be a big challenge to reflect Mongols in this campaign, thus makes it a big question if you should consider them overall or let them out.
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    with "done" I mean "done" in the sense of at the start of the beta-beta-beta test period


    but we are a long way from what you are talking about...first we should focus on the initial design

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    Good. That makes sense now
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    Hi

    I've add the region of Acre and when I launch the campaign I get this message :
    "could not find region in stringtable"

    I would like to know what does it mean, because I had not this problem with adding Melitene...

    What I've done :

    This (it will be certainly modified in the final version) in the rescr_region :

    Acre ; ok
    Acre
    gauls
    Hebrews
    36 104 114 [these are the right RGB]
    slaves, fatamid, turk, main, elite, order, genoa, crus_state, jeru, byz
    5
    4
    christianity 95 pagan 5

    This in the descr_strat file :

    settlement
    {
    level large_town
    region Acre

    year_founded 0
    population 2000
    plan_set default_set
    faction_creator gauls
    building
    {
    type core_building governors_villa
    }
    building
    {
    type rights market_rights
    }
    building
    {
    type shrines shrine
    }
    building
    {
    type defenses stone_wall
    }
    building
    {
    type hinterland_roads roads
    }
    }

    Could you help me, if I have anything forgotten...

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    If there is anything I can do to help, then I will, but keep in mind that I have 0 modding experience (except for the time I added Elves as mercs in FATW). Id be willing to learn, though.

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    If you wanna help us, welcome

    About a little modding :

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=22

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    Quote Originally Posted by USC_Trojans View Post
    If there is anything I can do to help, then I will, but keep in mind that I have 0 modding experience (except for the time I added Elves as mercs in FATW). Id be willing to learn, though.
    We need researchment of the family tree's for the startdate 1191 for every faction (minimum: faction leader and heir, wife, and other sons and daughters, birthday if available, of these characters is needed).
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    Rightwingers, like in the past the epitome of incompetence, except for evilness where they own the mastership.
    #"Humanity is in ‘final exam’ as to whether or not it qualifies for continuance in universe." Buckminster Fuller
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