Fall of the Cross & Rise of the Crescent (FCRC) - General Discussion (until release FCRC 1.0)

[Sun Devil]

I got Poland figured out, i'm pretty sure I just took the nobilities direct bloodline, and ignored the splintered factions. Also got Pisa figured out, just found one of the more influential families and they are the rulers. BTW, i'm done with all the Christian factions, and the Moors. For Islamic factions, i'm just putting a random Islamic name for the wives, since they had so many I cant find any real ones, plus there was the concubines .

[DaVinci]

For Islamic factions, i'm just putting a random Islamic name for the wives, since they had so many I cant find any real ones, plus there was the concubines .

That's complete okay, we don't need to be anal accurate.

If you would be able to make an overview which regions were governed by whom at the camp start would be awesome, too.

[necroproject]

Hey, I'll be right back around the middle of June. What about this campaign developpement ? Anything more since more a month. Which kind of help is needed ?

[DaVinci]

Hey, I'll be right back around the middle of June. What about this campaign developpement ? Anything more since more a month. Which kind of help is needed ?

Good to see that you re-appear

The development of this campaign is dependent on your actions. Nothing happened since the last pm-exchange. The last point was, that a working map/campaign is available, nothing else.

My real life gives not enough free time, that i could realise the whole thing for this campaign, so a coder is needed to do the things.

Still, i would take time to implement a rough family tree based on a finished researchment.

And i could then also pack quite easily the then needed files to have a preliminary campaign-launch, to playtesting/developing further.

But the latter job must be done by other people.

After all, it is a submod (with active support by me, but not the option, that i can do the whole coding, due to my time constraints).

Nonetheless, i hope this campaign gets a realisation, in whatever shape - perhaps later people can refine the files/codes to make it a real good campaign as well.

[Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze]

'nuff said.

(yes, that means I'm going to do this alone unless anyone wants to help...I don't necesarilly need it, though, now that I've got this working)

edit: wait, I actually do need someone who can tell me the exact starting position of every faction.

[DaVinci]

that someone still looks into that.

A few weeks ago i decided to implement this abandoned stuff into an official update (probably in the second half of the year), based on the files which i recently sent to all FCRC members (last year), but just then as a real complete FCRC campaign, a second additional campaign, when i have enough time and energy for it.

Are you able to provide the whole to do's? Then i would implement your modding, and you'll get the proper credits, of course.

[Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze]

Credits are nice, but not necesarry.

I can do pretty much everything yes. Family trees, positions, settlements. Heck, Yesterday I did the starting position and English family tree (and it's vassals)!

I just need to know 2 things: 1. Kingdoms weremore advanced those years, how much should I develop the tech tree of the important factions?

2. England dominates the French. They defenitly have 1/2 of the modern-day nation AND england itself. Should I give France more starting money and a little army of itself? I'm afraid it would get steamrolled.

[DaVinci]

Credits are nice, but not necesarry.

I can do pretty much everything yes. Family trees, positions, settlements. Heck, Yesterday I did the starting position and English family tree (and it's vassals)!

I just need to know 2 things: 1. Kingdoms weremore advanced those years, how much should I develop the tech tree of the important factions?

2. England dominates the French. They defenitly have 1/2 of the modern-day nation AND england itself. Should I give France more starting money and a little army of itself? I'm afraid it would get steamrolled.

Great.

The english domination of France is calling the Angevine Empire. There was unrest, so that shouldn't be realised very secure for England. However, England and France weren't at war at the time, and in principle we shouldn't extra provoke it (AI will do it anyway, but ie. faction-relations between them should be good from the start).

All a question of balancing. I would start with a historical correct setting, and then make the one or other gameplay-correction/manipulation.

With "tech-tree", you mean the settlements in the ds file, right?

I just would give the capitals and perhaps the one or other main city some more advanced facilities.
That needs to be done for all factions, or the balance goes out of order.

You should break it down from the CE campaign, just add equally some facilities and populations, but not too much (pop), as it is known that ie. some plagues etc. always reduced pop, and the development was anyway quite slow (one can't realise a gradual development between 1099 to 1185 AD, and it might make the campaign crappy, if too much is built already, and cities are too big).

And, please only edit the campaign files, not common data files, despite the names files, where you need to add new names, put them to the bottom of the files, please.

[Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze]

I've done everything you mentioned before you actually mentioned it
I can read minds

seriously though, that's what I had in mind.
I know that England is the Angevin Empire. I've read some stuff about it.
I believe the unrest in England should actually be bigger than in the continental territories, since the Angevin kings weren't exactly...proud of their English territories. Richard, for example, seems to have only used it to collect money for his holy war
I've added the names, put the historical guys in their positions (Payn de Rochefort in Anjou, William Longchamp in England, etc etc)
Been doing France aswell, So these 2 kingdoms are virtually done. (They were the easiest, I just had to move Robert of Normandy 5 tiles to the left, rename him Richard Plantagenet, delete some family members and rename the whole familytree to their correct names and ages)
Now I think I'm going to do the other important faction(s): the Muslims.


edit: been playtesting with England for 10 turns, if I do nothing (no building, training etc) in the first 2 turns, York, Bordeaux, Fougeres will rebel and Wales will riot. Hurts the economy quite badly. Exactly what I had in mind

[demagogos nicator]

are you planning to add Mongols as a fraction? if yes will they be playlable fraction or just a nomad horde?

[DaVinci]

Well, this particular FCRC mod depelopment is on hold.

However, Mongols as such appear effectively (for the ChivTW map) first at 1223 AD, what is quite later than the start date.
We have the Cumans/Kipchaqs though, which reflect those steppe horde factions

[demagogos nicator]

thanx for respond, i hope this project will survive, if you decide to to continue, i could try to help you with research( i have quite a lot of informations about central/east european medieval history)

[DaVinci]

You could contact Bull (see post # 86), maybe he has fun and time to complete the mod, then as real submod (i personally won't have the time and/or energy to get into it again).

[Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze]

Relaunched this. I'm a lot faster right now then I was back then
I started all over again, now giving the ex-Fatimids Saladin's dominions. I'm now up to the point where I left off, so I guess this thread is, uh, reopened!
I'll give a screenshot this afternoon. I'm still busy with changing the faction starting posititions, but France, England and Saladin's Empire are done

[Freelancer Tex]

Relaunched this. I'm a lot faster right now then I was back then
I started all over again, now giving the ex-Fatimids Saladin's dominions. I'm now up to the point where I left off, so I guess this thread is, uh, reopened!
I'll give a screenshot this afternoon. I'm still busy with changing the faction starting posititions, but France, England and Saladin's Empire are done

Good Luck,Bull!

[demagogos nicator]

Nice to hear it
I admire that I can see you in every page of the forum working on this, ROP3 and testing RTR7

[Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze]

No need for flattery, mate

[demagogos nicator]

No need for flattery, mate

ok i am just so happy that that the works on FCRC were uploaded

[Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze]

Starting positions done.
Currently busy with the family trees, which I never seem to get. Damn things keep crashing all the time when just changing a name.

[Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze]

yay! Got past the CTDs. Implenting Family trees is now going smoothly. Will be able to start balancing even today! Then there are descriptions, starting position-maps and perhaps a splash screen and a few loading ones