Archer unit question. 4.1

[CamBovenzi]

im playing 4.1 and i noticed longbowmen and yeoman archers both have the same stats, except the YM cost more to recruit and upkeep.
i was wondering is there any advantage to using yeoman archers? perhaps an accuracy or range bonus? or is that just the way it was designed?, as longbowmen are historically amazing.

[Caesar Clivus]

...as longbowmen are historically amazing.

No they've just had really good PR.

[CamBovenzi]

No they've just had really good PR.

yeah, thats what i meant. they make em sound so good, so they are rated good.
anyone know if there is some kind of advantage the yeomans have over them tho in 4.1?
otherwise i should just create LB's.

[nostradamouse]

They use maces, which is an AP weapon. So when they get in close proximity to ennemies, they are better.

Maybe upkeep reduction for yeomen, accuracy bonus or moral bonus?

Firing rate too perhaps?

[Caesar Clivus]

I dont have 4.1 anymore but if you post their respective units in the export_descr_unit.txt (in the data folder), we should be able to fathom what the differences are.

[CamBovenzi]

I dont have 4.1 anymore but if you post their respective units in the export_descr_unit.txt (in the data folder), we should be able to fathom what the differences are.

ah. somehow i didnt know that was there

type Longbowmen
dictionary Longbowmen ; Longbowmen
category infantry
class missile
voice_type Light
banner faction main_missile
banner holy crusade
soldier Longbowmen, 48, 0, 0.2
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit, stakes, stakes
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 6, 1, quality_bodkin_arrow, 190, 40, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 1, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, blunt, mace, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr ap
stat_pri_armour 0, 3, 2, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 2
stat_ground 1, -2, 3, 2
stat_mental 5, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 5
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 460, 190, 65, 50, 460, 4, 140
armour_ug_levels 0, 1, 2
armour_ug_models Longbowmen, Longbowmen_ug1, Longbowmen_ug2
ownership england, slave
era 1 england
era 2 england


type Yeoman Archers
dictionary Yeoman_Archers ; Yeoman Archers
category infantry
class missile
voice_type Light
banner faction main_missile
banner holy crusade
soldier Yeoman_Archers, 48, 0, 0.25
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit, stakes, stakes
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 6, 1, quality_bodkin_arrow, 190, 40, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 1, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, blunt, mace, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr ap
stat_pri_armour 0, 3, 2, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 2
stat_ground 1, -2, 3, 2
stat_mental 7, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 5
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 490, 210, 75, 55, 490, 4, 160
armour_ug_levels 0, 1, 2
armour_ug_models Yeoman_Archers, Yeoman_Archers_ug1, Yeoman_Archers_ug2
ownership england
era 1 england

looks almost identical except for upkeep/cost, and something about "collision mass of the men"?

[Caesar Clivus]

Yeomen also have higher morale...but not by much.

[Viscule]

I choose yeomen over longbowmen any day, that is until retinue longbowmen is availiable. Upkeep/cost should not really be a problem at all.