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    Default |Israeli Politics| 'Far Right' and 'Ultra-Nationalist' Lieberman: "I also advocate the creation of a viable Palestinian state."

    Avigdor Lieberman, the chairman of the Israeli party 'Yisreal Beitenu' who was described by ignorant foreign reporters (e.g. The Gaurdian reporters) as Far-Right and Ultra-Nationalist politician stated in an interview what all people who know a bit about him: He supports a Palestinian state in the West Bank.

    That classifies him clearly as having the Israeli Left solution to the conflict, or at least Israel Center.

    Another label that has been thrust in my direction is “far right” or “ultra-nationalist.” I want the State of Israel to remain a Zionist, Jewish and democratic state. There is nothing “far” or “ultra” about those ideals. I also advocate the creation of a viable Palestinian state.
    http://www.thejewishweek.com/viewArt...n/Opinion.html

    According to the Israeli media, Lieberman will become the Israeli Foreign Minister. (6.3.09)
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    Default Re: |Israeli Politics| 'Far Right' and 'Ultra-Nationalist' Lieberman: "I also advocate the creation of a viable Palestinian state."

    That's interesting. But what are his other views that make people label him far-right? Does he want to throw out the existing palestiian population in Israel or??

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    Default Re: |Israeli Politics| 'Far Right' and 'Ultra-Nationalist' Lieberman: "I also advocate the creation of a viable Palestinian state."

    No. He wants to swap territories with the future Palestinian state, so major Arab populations near the border with future Palestine will be under Palestinian administration, and annexing the large Jewish settlement chuncks in the West Bank in 'return'.
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    Default Re: |Israeli Politics| 'Far Right' and 'Ultra-Nationalist' Lieberman: "I also advocate the creation of a viable Palestinian state."

    So he´s a moderate ethnic cleanser?

    The UN told you folks your borders already.


    Landthieves.

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    Default Re: |Israeli Politics| 'Far Right' and 'Ultra-Nationalist' Lieberman: "I also advocate the creation of a viable Palestinian state."

    Quote Originally Posted by gojira View Post
    So he´s a moderate ethnic cleanser?
    He's not an ethnic cleanser. BE PREPARED TO CHANGE YOUR VIEW! if you think someone is an ethnic cleanser than he says he is not and he does not support ethnic cleansing THEN HE IS NOT AN ETHNIC CLEANSER!
    Quote Originally Posted by gojira View Post
    The UN told you folks your borders already.
    Since when does anyone listen to the UN?
    They are antisemitics(and it is true. The UN changed it's universal declaration of human rights to fit muslims but allowed people to claim Jews drink Christian blood and declared Zionism as racism - although it's just Jewish nationalism)
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    Landthieves.
    You mean, like America, Britain, Germany, Russia, Chile, China, India, Romania, Greece, Turkey, Iraq, France, Spain, Portugal and Italy?
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    Default Re: |Israeli Politics| 'Far Right' and 'Ultra-Nationalist' Lieberman: "I also advocate the creation of a viable Palestinian state."

    Quote Originally Posted by gojira View Post
    So he´s a moderate ethnic cleanser?

    The UN told you folks your borders already.


    Landthieves.
    The U.N has nothing to do with anything, they are a powerless meaningless entity.

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    Default Re: |Israeli Politics| 'Far Right' and 'Ultra-Nationalist' Lieberman: "I also advocate the creation of a viable Palestinian state."

    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    The U.N has nothing to do with anything, they are a powerless meaningless entity.
    there goes any hope for peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aziel View Post
    No. He wants to swap territories with the future Palestinian state, so major Arab populations near the border with future Palestine will be under Palestinian administration, and annexing the large Jewish settlement chuncks in the West Bank in 'return'.
    Return being the key word here...

    What a joke. Palestine should not have to "swap" anything. They've been raped and had land consistently and illegally stolen from them since the "founding" of Israel. How about Israel give them back all the land they have settled in since 1947 and then, and only then, we will be able see a productive and most likely peaceful two state solution.

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    Default Re: |Israeli Politics| 'Far Right' and 'Ultra-Nationalist' Lieberman: "I also advocate the creation of a viable Palestinian state."

    Palestine never existed, therefore your argumant fails.
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    Default Re: |Israeli Politics| 'Far Right' and 'Ultra-Nationalist' Lieberman: "I also advocate the creation of a viable Palestinian state."

    Lets check your "rights" on "israel" territory.

    Divine chosen people promised land by god?

    -->The zionist bunch, that came up with the idea of an Israeli state (long before World War 2 by the way, this idea spread up in the late 19th and early 20th century, (not the holocaust was the reason, the holocaust was just the final tool needed) by european "jews".

    The hordes of zionist colonists were of khazarian origin (-->asia/eastern europe). These people, that make up more than 90% of the "jews" originate from the khazar kingdom, that adopted judaism in the 7th/8th century.

    The ashkenazi jew´s ancestors do have NOTHING in common with the israelites in the bible, they were penis worshippers that picked judaism as their religion by coincidence.
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    Default Re: |Israeli Politics| 'Far Right' and 'Ultra-Nationalist' Lieberman: "I also advocate the creation of a viable Palestinian state."

    The ashkenazi jew´s ancestors do have NOTHING in common with the israelites in the bible, they were penis worshippers that picked judaism as their religion by coincidence.
    woah, woah, woah... penis worshippers...? Your not a regular anti-semite, but that's monsterous! Insulting a whole religion? or people? Those "landthieves" your talking about didn't come to the palestines and said something as insulting to them, and yet you come and troll the whole place...

    plus, just so you know, you are wrong.
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    Default Re: |Israeli Politics| 'Far Right' and 'Ultra-Nationalist' Lieberman: "I also advocate the creation of a viable Palestinian state."

    Quote Originally Posted by gojira

    Lets check your "rights" on "israel" territory.

    Divine chosen people promised land by god?

    -->The zionist bunch, that came up with the idea of an Israeli state (long before World War 2 by the way, this idea spread up in the late 19th and early 20th century, (not the holocaust was the reason, the holocaust was just the final tool needed) by european "jews".

    The hordes of zionist colonists were of khazarian origin (-->asia/eastern europe). These people, that make up more than 90% of the "jews" originate from the khazar kingdom, that adopted judaism in the 7th/8th century.

    The ashkenazi jew´s ancestors do have NOTHING in common with the israelites in the bible, they were penis worshippers that picked judaism as their religion by coincidence.

    Former penis-worshippers claiming Israel have the same justification as the irish claiming rome.
    Wow...and I thought your antisemitic views could sink no lower...quit trolling. Landthieves? If Israelis are landthieves, then so are the English, French, Turks, Spanish, various Latin Americans and Americans.


    @karo: The Ashkenazis hail from Germany, not Khazaria.
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    Default Re: |Israeli Politics| 'Far Right' and 'Ultra-Nationalist' Lieberman: "I also advocate the creation of a viable Palestinian state."

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Wow...and I thought your antisemitic views could sink no lower...quit trolling. Landthieves? If Israelis are landthieves, then so are the English, French, Turks, Spanish, various Latin Americans and Americans.

    And 'penis-worshippers'? Thanks again for throwing mud into the history of 11.2 million people.

    @karo: The Ashkenazis hail from Germany, not Khazaria.
    I'm not getting into this argument again on this forum. Because the same side wins every time and there no point in spewing anit-Palestine or anit-Israel spam.

    I take neither "side".There is no side, and there is no argument. Only fact.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7861076.stm

    There are hundreds of sources out there, this was the first I found.

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    Default Re: |Israeli Politics| 'Far Right' and 'Ultra-Nationalist' Lieberman: "I also advocate the creation of a viable Palestinian state."

    Well, the distortion of facts is breathtaking when dealing with zionists, heres some backround:

    Absolutely not! There are two distinct groups of Jews in the world and they come from two different areas of the world — the Sephardic Jews from the Middle East and North Africa and the Ashkenazi Jews come from Eastern Europe. The Sephardic is the oldest group and it is they, if any, who are the Jews described in the Bible because they lived in the area described in the Bible. They are blood relatives to the Arabs — the only difference between them is the religion.

    The Ashkenazi Jews, who now compromise 90% of the Jews in the world, had a rather strange beginning. According to historians, many of them Jewish, the Ashkenazi Jews came into existence about 1200 years ago. It happened this way:

    At the eastern edge of Europe, there lived a tribe of people know as the Khazars. About the year 740 A.D., the Khazar king and his court decided they should adopt a religion for their people. So, representatives of the three major religions, Christianity, Islam and Judaism, were invited to present their religious doctrines. The Khazars chose Judaism, but it wasn’t for religious reasons. If the Khazars had chosen Islam, they would have angered the strong Christian world. If they had chosen Christianity, they would have angered the strong Islamic world. So, they played it safe — they chose Judaism. It wasn’t for religious reasons the Khazars chose Judaism; it was for political reasons.

    Sometime during the 13th century, the Khazars were driven from their land and they migrated westward with most of them settling in Poland and Russia. These Khazars are now known as Ashkenazi Jews. Because these Khazar Ashkenazi Jews merely chose Judaism, they are not really Jews — at least not blood Jews.


    Throughout their history, these Polish and Russian Ashkenazi Jews practiced communism/socialism and worked to have their ideas implemented in these countries.

    By the late 1800s significant numbers of these communist/socialist Jews were found in Germany, the Balkans and eventually all over Europe. Because of their interference in the social and governmental affairs of Russia, they became the target of persecution by the Czars. Because of this, migration of these communist/socialist oriented Jews began. Some went to Palestine; some to Central and South America; and a large number of them came to the U.S.

    What are the facts about the Jews? (I call them Jews to you, because they are known as "Jews". I don't call them Jews myself. I refer to them as "so-called Jews", because I know what they are). The eastern European Jews, who form 92 per cent of the world's population of those people who call themselves "Jews", were originally Khazars. They were a warlike tribe who lived deep in the heart of Asia. And they were so warlike that even the Asiatics drove them out of Asia into Eastern Europe. They set up a large Khazar kingdom of 800,000 square miles. At the time, Russia did not exist, nor did many other European countries. The Khazar kingdom was the biggest country in all Europe -- so big and so powerful that when the other monarchs wanted to go to war, the Khazars would lend them 40,000 soldiers. That's how big and powerful they were.

    They were phallic worshippers, which is filthy and I do not want to go into the details of that now. But that was their religion, as it was also the religion of many other pagans and barbarians elsewhere in the world. The Khazar king became so disgusted with the degeneracy of his kingdom that he decided to adopt a so-called monotheistic faith -- either Christianity, Islam, or what is known today as Judaism, which is really Talmudism. By spinning a top, and calling out "eeny, meeny, miney, moe," he picked out so-called Judaism. And that became the state religion. He sent down to the Talmudic schools of Pumbedita and Sura and brought up thousands of rabbis, and opened up synagogues and schools, and his people became what we call "Jews". There wasn't one of them who had an ancestor who ever put a toe in the Holy Land. Not only in Old Testament history, but also back to the beginning of time. Not one of them!

    These Khazars, these pagans, these Asiatics, these Turko-Finns, were a Mongoloid race who were forced out of Asia into Eastern Europe. Because their king took the Talmudic faith, they had no choice in the matter. Just the same as in Spain: If the king was Catholic, everybody had to be a Catholic. If not, you had to get out of Spain. So the Khazars became what we call today "Jews".
    Kiss your divine origin goodbye, and let other people live in peace. Landthieves.

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    Default Re: |Israeli Politics| 'Far Right' and 'Ultra-Nationalist' Lieberman: "I also advocate the creation of a viable Palestinian state."

    gogira,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews.

    Go to the "origins of Ashkenazim".
    better yet, let me post the part that makes all of this long post that you have made useless:

    Although the historical record itself is very limited, there is a consensus of cultural, linguistic, and genetic evidence that the Ashkenazi Jewish population originated in the Middle East. Jews have lived in Germany, or "Ashkenaz", at least since the early 4th century. When they arrived in northern France and the Rhineland, the Ashkenazi Jews brought with them both Rabbinic Judaism and the Babylonian Talmudic culture that underlies it.
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    Default Re: |Israeli Politics| 'Far Right' and 'Ultra-Nationalist' Lieberman: "I also advocate the creation of a viable Palestinian state."

    @Gojira

    Source your information please.

    And please don't ruin this thread by taking it off topic. This discussion literally has nothing to do with the opening post

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    I see some serious flaws in Lieberman's plans as far as redistributing land in that way. It seems like a solution that will step on everyone's toes. Just my opinion, which is subject to review if someone can make a solid case for his solution to the situation.

    Take it easy,

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    Default Re: |Israeli Politics| 'Far Right' and 'Ultra-Nationalist' Lieberman: "I also advocate the creation of a viable Palestinian state."

    Quote Originally Posted by gojira View Post
    Says the ethnic cleanser, why am I not surprised?
    because your'e a bigot

    Quote Originally Posted by gojira View Post
    Divine chosen people promised land by god?

    -->The zionist bunch, that came up with the idea of an Israeli state (long before World War 2 by the way, this idea spread up in the late 19th and early 20th century, (not the holocaust was the reason, the holocaust was just the final tool needed) by european "jews".
    Zionism is a result of nationalism rising in the 19th century. The first Zionists were actually inspired by indipendence struggles of countris such as Italy, Greece and Germany.
    It has nothing to do with WW2 and I don't see how you even claim it as an arguement.
    BTW aren't you suppose to be some holocaust denier?

    Quote Originally Posted by gojira View Post
    The hordes of zionist colonists were of khazarian origin (-->asia/eastern europe). These people, that make up more than 90% of the "jews" originate from the khazar kingdom, that adopted judaism in the 7th/8th century.

    The ashkenazi jew´s ancestors do have NOTHING in common with the israelites in the bible, they were penis worshippers that picked judaism as their religion by coincidence.
    90%? from where did you get that? almost half of the Jewish worldwide population are Mizrahi and which means they are from a Sephardic(Spanish) origin and were there BEFORE the Khazar kingdom was even formed.
    Ashkenaz means "Germany" in Hebrew and therefore they are German not Khazars.
    if they are Khazars, then why don't they have Turkic features or language?
    There are also Khazar records of many Jewish traders from Germany and France coming to Sarkel(The Khazar capital, if you are too ignorant to know this).

    BTW and you later claim you are not antisemitic?
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    That's it? a map of Khazaria? is that your best arguement?
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    Default Re: |Israeli Politics| 'Far Right' and 'Ultra-Nationalist' Lieberman: "I also advocate the creation of a viable Palestinian state."

    There was khazar. It was conquered. Everybody died/converted. The end.

    The ashkenazi jews are not from khazaria, they originated in the middle east like every jew. They gave themselves the name becuse of the jewish population in Ashkenaz (germany, in medieval hebrew).
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