China tells US to stop acting as human rights guardian

[Nikos]

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009\02\27\story_27-2-2009_pg4_3

BEIJING: China told the United States Thursday to stop acting as a human rights guardian, as it hit back angrily at US accusations that its human rights record had worsened.

The spat comes just days after a visit by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to Beijing appeared to signal a detente between the world powers on the sensitive issue. “We firmly oppose any countries interfering in China’s internal affairs under the pretext of human rights,” foreign ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu told reporters. “We urge the US side to reflect on its own human rights problems, stop acting as a human rights guardian, and stop interfering in others’ internal affairs by issuing such human rights reports.”

This is not a good sign for Sino-US relations and is definitely not a good sign for the abused people in China.

[★Bandiera Rossa☭]

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009\02\27\story_27-2-2009_pg4_3
This is not a good sign for Sino-US relations and is definitely not a good sign for the abused people in China.

What is your Opinion on the PROC vs ROC conflict? should Taiwan surrender or get official status as a Sovereign nation? This is semi related... China is getting worse and worse..

[RVFVS]

The US has no right to go into other countrys. It is a sovereign power and has its own laws.

[Ragabash]

The US has no right to go into other countrys. It is a sovereign power and has its own laws.

And therefore it's neither allowed to criticize poor human right conditions of other countries?

[RVFVS]

And therefore it's neither allowed to criticize poor human right conditions of other countries?

Yes but not to make it sound like China is a child compared to the US! Because thats what it sounds like. The US has NO right to dictate to CHina or any other country what their government or policies should be. Now I am not saying I support China just that I think the US should learn their place.

[Ragabash]

Yes but not to make it sound like China is a child compared to the US! Because thats what it sounds like. The US has NO right to dictate to CHina or any other country what their government or policies should be. Now I am not saying I support China just that I think the US should learn their place.

So it's not allowed for any larger country to criticize other countries in their human right violations; as it's seen as an attempt to dictate something on them, instead of putting political pressure to improve the situation, and remind of recent regress on the matter?

[Invisible Sky Magician]

The US has no right to go into other countrys. It is a sovereign power and has its own laws.

No ones going anywhere. The US simply wrote a report.

???The U.S should keep to themselves!

Using that logic, we should keep quiet about ANY atrocity ANYWHERE.

We have the freedom of speech to give and receive criticisms. Whats the problem? If China cant handle the criticism, then they should refute the claims or go back to being isolationist.

If China wants to be part of the international community (and based on the Beijing 2008 Olympics, they do), then they better get used to criticism where justified.

Yes but not to make it sound like China is a child compared to the US! Because thats what it sounds like.

Then China should stop whining and complaining like a child.

Because thats what it sounds like.

The US has NO right to dictate to CHina or any other country what their government or policies should be.

Actually, they and we have that right. Its called freedom of speech.

We CANT force you to implement the policies we like obviously, but we can make criticisms or recommendations.

Now I am not saying I support China just that I think the US should learn their place.

LOL. Learn their place? You mean the USA should just shut up? I know thats what the Chinese government wants.

Im going to quote someone: All that is needed for evil to prevail, good men do nothing.

I hope China isnt evil.

The U.S.As record for human rights abuses is terrible. May I remind you that it was the US who dropped the first Atomic Bomb? Killing thousands of innocents? Tell me why Truman wasnt charged for warcrimes for that? The U.S.A has almost as bad a record as China.

Careful, you are starting to use fallacies here. This one is called the USA DID BAD THINGS, THAT MAKES CHINAS BAD THINGS JUSTIFIABLE! argument.

We all know USA has a crap human rights record and we use our right to freedom of speech to criticize ourselves and improve.

Right now we are criticizing China, and so we should.

Dont tell me you guys think that the U.S has a perfect record for human rights....

None of us think that. Where did you get that idea? How about directly replying to our replies to you in which we shoot down your argument?

Not that thats bad all other governments are the same Im just saying, stop thinking the US is a perfect little angel

Again, nobody thinks US is a perfect little angel and you are arrogant to assume we do.

I realize. I am saying that even though China is a terrible nation to live in and its government is corrupt, it is a free nation and the U.S.A has no right to judge it. They may speak out against it but the US cant make it sound like they own China.

Youre re-using your arguments. We can we may speak out against it. We do.

But the latter is up to personal interpretation. How can US sound like they own China, much less own it? Youre not making any sense.

They didnt claim. They said it in a way that I call the U.S.A Speak. They talk down to all nations. Coming to china and talking about how your record is stained is no way to try and improve relations!

As far as the report is concerned, nobody physically went to China.

When Hillary Clinton recently visited China, even she said she will not discuss human rights. As disgusting as that was, Im sure youre about that?

Go ahead and take a stand but it wont help anything. It will only make things worse.

In your opinion.

The more the U.S shows that they wont do anything about other then simply using U.S.A Speak to try and make a superpower like China quake in their boots wont work. If they were really standing up for Human Rights they would DO somthing.

LOL, in one of your first posts, you said USA had no right to do or even say anything. Which is it?

[Nikos]

What is your Opinion on the PROC vs ROC conflict? should Taiwan surrender or get official status as a Sovereign nation? This is semi related... China is getting worse and worse..

It's a very complicated situation. IIRC, the vast majority of Taiwanese do not wish to unify with the PRC. I think they should be a sovereign state. Or the ROC invades and reconquers the PRC.

P.S.
You should make a thread about this in the Academy so the mods don't yell at us.

[★Bandiera Rossa☭]

It's a very complicated situation. IIRC, the vast majority of Taiwanese do not wish to unify with the PRC. I think they should be a sovereign state. Or the ROC invades and reconquers the PRC.

P.S.
You should make a thread about this in the Academy so the mods don't yell at us.

I believe they should have independence...They want all of china but that is doubtful...

[Thanatos]

The fact that they're so angry means we must have hit a nerve.

[Nikos]

The fact that they're so angry means we must have hit a nerve.

QFT. If we bow down to the PRC's demands, we are failing the oppressed people of China.

[antaeus]

QFT. If we bow down to the PRC's demands, we are failing the oppressed people of China.

they would probably argue that the people of the united states have been largely disenfranchised by flawed democracy - and thus are just as oppressed as the people of china, and that the united states record on human rights has enough stains on it to make any of their complaints about china's record largely hippocratical..

they would say...

[Nikos]

they would probably argue that the people of the united states have been largely disenfranchised by flawed democracy - and thus are just as oppressed as the people of china, and that the united states record on human rights has enough stains on it to make any of their complaints about china's record largely hippocratical..

they would say...

And they would be wrong. If the United states massacred it's citizens for protesting the Government, the last four years would have been very bloody.

[antaeus]

And they would be wrong. If the United states massacred it's citizens for protesting the Government, the last four years would have been very bloody.

true... but the united states does have a record of shooting protesters stretching back some decades - and the number of people shot illegally by a government doesn't really matter - as even one person is bad enough..

i'm not saying the united states is as bad as china, but its not that difficult constructing an argument against the US human rights record - something that's damning enough. every time someone's rights are breached - be it in iraq, or afghanistan, or alabama, it adds weight to the arguments of countries like china when they claim that the united states is in no position to claim moral high ground over them.

[Applesmack]

i 100% agree with China. The US should mind their own business. After all, they are the most murdering regime and imperialistic power of the whole 21st century. This is almost as funny as the US criticizing Russia's "agression" in Georgia I still laugh at Bush when he said: "Bullying and intimidation are not acceptable ways to conduct foreign policy in the 21st century."

[Kiljan Arslan]

I support its incorporation into the USA

[Winter]

The US has no right to go into other countrys. It is a sovereign power and has its own laws.

What gives the Chinese the right to oppress their own people?

[RVFVS]

What gives the Chinese the right to oppress their own people?

No right at all, but the U.S shouldnt have the arrogance to go into another country and say somthing like:

"Your human rights record had worsened."

???The U.S should keep to themselves! If they want a war with China they should just keep doing what they are doing.

[roy34543]

This is very odd of chian to say considering that it tends to manipulate the UN into accepting its own negative human rights agenda. , And if anything the UN seems to act as "the human rights guardian"

[Quadratus]

Great! Our hard work to improve relations with China just ed off...