Grovelling French Apologizes to China; claims to speak on behalf of all French

[Invisible Sky Magician]

WARNING: DISGUSTINGLY LONG CRINGE-INDUCING APOLOGIES TO THE CHINESE AHEAD!

Original French post here:
http://stanechy.over-blog.com/article-18658527.html

Mes Amis Chinois

Jai honte.

Depuis des semaines, dans mon pays, en France, votre peuple, votre pays, vos institutions, votre gouvernement, votre Histoire sont traînés dans la boue, dans une hystérie collective entretenue par nos médias. Médias qui se prétendent libres... Les manifestations antichinoises qui ont eu lieu à Paris, lors du passage de la flamme olympique, sont indignes de mon pays, des valeurs quil prétend défendre, et des lois élémentaires de lhospitalité.


Dans larrogance et lignorance, limbécillité en résumé, des journalistes, présentateurs de radio et de télévision, politiciens, et autres ballots en quête de publicité gratuite, se disputent lopportunité de se mettre en valeur, en vous donnant des leçons de morale, de liberté et de droits de lhomme.

English Translation here (note the URL):
http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/en/thread-1934-1-4.html

My Chinese Friends

I am ashamed.

For weeks, in my country, France, your people, your country, your institutions, your government, your history are dragged in the mud, in a collective hysteria managed by our medias - medias who claim free ... The anti-China demonstrations which took place in Paris during the torch relay of Olympic flame are unworthy of my country, of the values that claim to defend, and of the basic laws of hospitality.

With arrogance, ignorance, and imbecility in summary, journalists, presenters of radio and television, politicians and other ballots in search of free publicity, argue whether it is the opportunity to take advantage of, giving you lessons of morality, freedom and human rights.

Do you agree or disagree with the apology?
Do you think it represents the views of all, most, some, a few, or none of the French people?
Do you think the French person who wrote the apology is a French or a French-Chinese?
Knowing that the Chinese have been demanding it for science-knows how long, do you think the Japanese would be ever able to top this effort?

[danzig]

Given the source Id say its fake nonsense from a chinese national but then again there are people like Cindy Sheehan here in the US so could very well be a counterpart in France. Either way who cares, what one person says/thinks is meaningless, China is owed nothing.

[Kiljan Arslan]

what danzig said.

BTW whats with that idiot nowadays?

[Haakon]

Internet forum post in shockingly redicilous crap blog alert. Seriously, blogs are crap.

[zerathule]

I dont think this represent the point of view of more than a handfull french people.
I think that there is the opposite going on actually : anti-french propaganda is going on against France in China (i have two very good chineese speaking friends living there).
There is no such propaganda in France, but it's true i havent turned on my TV for years ...
Anyway, people dont care here about what China does or say, and even the protesters during the olympic games are a minority (but still supported by a good number of french citizens).

[GuineaPig]

I'm still pissed Toronto didn't get the Summer Games, so no apologies from me.

Plus, I loathe the Chinese government and everything they stand for.

[Mithie]

OH NO! French guy wrote something somewhere! HOLY CHINA IS TAKING OVER THE WORLD!

[shadyrome]

OH NO! French guy wrote something somewhere! HOLY CHINA IS TAKING OVER THE WORLD!

The french will send a letter about surrendering.

[DeMolay]

The guy who wrote this is Chinese ....

Everything he says in this post is wrong , there was never anything anti-Chinese in France , just some militants of Tibet (like in every Democracy) who went too far in the passage of Olympic flame , just like it happened in other capitals like London . This is the propaganda of Beijing since before the Olympics when we asked about Tibet ...they didn't like this at all and their party financed demonstrations against us in some Chinese cities and asked to boycott our supermarkets .. because our government said that Tibetan people's cause should be considered .. Only because of that ...

The medias are not anti-Chinese , we have free medias here , some are pro-Chinese , others are not and sympathize with Tibet , this is diversity , Demcrocacy ( If they do not like that , it's not our problem , we do not ask them to change the opinions of their population ) ... secondly , IMO all this thread will get is a show of mediocrity at his best represented by the post above mine , it will only attract all the French haters to come to show their skills at insulting , but ok nevermind.

Nice try though , if they think they can bully us like that ... No French will ever bow to bullying , never did , we won some war , no other country in Europe won as many battles as the French people since the 10th century , no one you can search , we lost some wars as well , like lately in 1870 or 1940 but the Chinese , we have some Respect for them , there is nearly 1 million of them in France living Perfectly peacefully and enjoying tolerance and every bit of Rights like us Frenchmen in France , heck they are Frenchmen , but if the Chinese choose to go this way , so be it , we'll prepare .

If somebody has to apologize it's them to us for what they did against us (paid demonstrations , boycott etc..) , we did nothing wrong to them ... never colonized them , never killed any of their ctizens .. we just voiced concerns about the Tibetan people's condition and the violent repression against them .... We do not even ask for apology cause what they did will not be forgotten any time soon and we do not hold griefs against the Chinese people who is hostage of the Regime but rather against the dictatorial Governement in place who went too far ... The difference is if one Chinese in thier country does a letter to apologize to us , he'll be executed or imprisoned ...

[Mithie]

... The difference is if one Chinese in thier country does a letter to apologize to us , he'll be executed or imprisoned ..

What? It's statements like these that makes me cringe inside. That's not the way the Chinese government works.

[DeMolay]

Well Mithie , there is a long list of political prisoners there , last one made headlines in all Europe's newspapers , its hard to argue against this i forward you to Amnesty International and other NGO complaints since decades about it , not to mention dozens of Governments in Europe and across the world ..

Recentlly , the governement of the United States of America created an organism called CECC to monitor this , between the Tibetan repression events and the Olympics in 2008 , there had been an increase of 40% of political imprisonment in China , it's not me saying but the American governement ..

Republicans , Christopher Smith and Frank Wolf presented a list of 734 prisoners arbitrarily imprisoned , from which 26 political prisoners since the 28th of June 2008 ... the list of the CECC today numbers 920 names .. the source is the Wall Street Journal ..regards,

[Mithie]

Well Mithie , there is a long list of political prisoners there , last one made headlines in all Europe's newspapers , its hard to argue against this i forward you to Amnesty International and other NGO complaints since decades about it , not to mention dozens of Governments in Europe and across the world ..

Recentlly , the governement of the United States of America created an organism called CECC to monitor this , between the Tibetan repression events and the Olympics in 2008 , there had been an increase of 40% of political imprisonment in China , it's not me saying but the American governement ..

Republicans , Christopher Smith and Frank Wolf presented a list of 734 prisoners arbitrarily imprisoned , from which 26 political prisoners since the 28th of June 2008 ... the list of the CECC today numbers 920 names .. the source is the Wall Street Journal ..regards,

I'm very familiar with the Amnesty International reports; I worked with Am Int on no less than two dozen contracts over a period of 3 years. I've also done presswork for BBC on political imprisonment in China and Nepal; I was one of the six journalists who was there when Li Ao first spoke after being freed from prison.

The political situation regarding what constitutes as political sentencing in China, needless to say, is far more complex a topic as viable to discuss here, but last I checked, writing a letter on a blog does not constitute as a political crime.

While it's important for sanguine discussion to proceed on human rights issues in China, we must also keep in mind the scope and proportion of what is practical and what is not; accuracy in assessment is just as important as poignancy.

[DeMolay]

Ok fair enough Mithie , you are correct , i perhaps exagerated , they'd probably just censor it . There is a fairly interesting site on abuse of human rights there for people interested : http://www.laogai.org/news/index.php , regards

[Mithie]

Ok fair enough Mithie , you are correct , i perhaps exagerated , they'd probably just censor it . There is a fairly interesting site on abuse of human rights there for people interested : http://www.laogai.org/news/index.php , regards

Why don't we just trust Amnesty International and leave it at that?

laogai.org is held in close association with Falun Gong and therefore is laced heavily with political bias and overall inaccurate information, and often contradict or blow up figures from Am Int. I would also put heavy distrust on any websites hosted by people with a clear political agenda.

I rule these sites out as accurate sources of information the same reason I don't read infowars.com and expect accurate assessments about Israel's political future.

Amnesty International should be your premier source for human rights issues; HuWatch is another excellent source, but one that's difficult to access outside of academic and political circles.

Major universities such as Oxford and Yale will also have their own publications and studies, and if you don't mind the academic rhetoric, they're usually fairly accurate and well researched as well.

[DeMolay]

Thank you for the educated post Mithie , i didn't know that , to be honest i know very little of what happens in China , i am influenced by what i read here and there like everybody and it's always interesting to read someone who's close from this and whose job is linked to the subject , however i like many compatriots and actually many Europeans were scandalized by what happened a few months ago , best regards Mithie

[cristophe el perno]

He should absolutely not apologise. As a Briton, I felt slightly put to shame by how much better a job the French did at protesting, and was glad at least one country took a stand for human rights.

[Muagan_ra]

Yeah, China's a fab place. You'd think the French of all people would be opposed to the kind of government they have?