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    To all and sundry: would anyone like to help me out? To do it, all you need to do is start a game as Britain, take screenshots every 5-10 years, and then post them here or e-mail them to me. (Quinn_Inuit@yaSPAMSUCKShoo.com) I'd like to see how the new map and game changes affect things, and the more data we have the better.


    P.S. Someone left me some rep and a kind offer to do this, but I can't see who it was. So that's why I haven't asked you personally, sorry.
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    While I'm only a few years into a Macedon campaign (btw, are Pella and Thessalonica supposed to start as rebel cities..?), I've seen Carthage expanding into Iberia quite well, as well as Ptolemic aggression into the Athens area after I conquered the Peleponnese. Can post a screenshot, if you'd like.

    I'll start up a British campaign in conjunction with my Macedon one and start posting screens within the next day or so.

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    Yes, they are. Macedon proper was controlled by Ptolemy Keraunus around that time, right up until the Gauls/Galatians smacked him down.

    Are you serious? The Ptolemies attacked Athens? Wow. You have _got_ to post screenshots for PatricianS to see. I think this vindicates his mapping work. If you look at map_regions, one of his pixel tricks was to put a pixel of Athenian land in Alexandria, IIRC.

    Also, do you know if Carthage went overland into Iberia (from Gades) or by sea? I'm just curious.
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    Only save game I have is me attacking Asia Minor (Seleucid betrayal!) after I conquered southern greece. As of now, the Ptolemies are wiped out of Asia minor so I doubt a replay of a land invasion will occur, although sea invasion is plausible, I suppose

    My game so far:

    As Macedon, I took Athens and Thermon as quick as possible then spent a little while mopping up the GCS in Greece proper. After that, worked on economy for a bit then, out of the blue, a half-stack of Ptolemies come and lay siege to the island north east of Athens, Chaldice or w/e it is. Beat them, the stack retreated south into Athens and laid siege to it =P Killed it, moved my army over the land bridge, took mytline, then accepted a ceasefire with the Ptolemics for Hallicarnassus. Some turns later, I take Apollonia, Seleucids declare war on me, take Mytline, and then the Illyrians join the fray against me by sieging Apollonia.

    As for the west, Epirus and Rome are about equal in territory, though the loss of the Epirote capital makes me think Rome will win out soon. In Iberia, it seemed to me (from my brief initial glances over randomly throughout the game) that Carthage, using Gades as a base, took the territory directly south in north africa via the land bridge, then conquered that little town north east of Gades, followed by Carthago Nova. At the moment, expansion into Iberia has halted (Iberians and Carthaginians are at peace) and Carthage is working on North Africa, it seems. I'm thinking Gades ---> Illipia (sp?) ---> Carthago Nova is what they did.

    Will post a screenie in a minute

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    Have you fixed the problem regarding the Samaritans yet?

    Btw, your guide to install it needs to be updated*!!!!

    I was really confused about how to merge the folders / installing = dragging folder next to data etc....? :hmmm:

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    Quote Originally Posted by lelouchx99 View Post
    Have you fixed the problem regarding the Samaritans yet?

    Btw, your guide to install it needs to be updated*!!!!

    I was really confused about how to merge the folders / installing = dragging folder next to data etc....? :hmmm:
    Easy, just download the 3.4 installer from the stickied thread and install it via the .exe file.

    Then, download the hotfix:

    http://rapidshare.com/files/202226775/3.4.1_hotfix.zip

    Unzip that file, drag and drop the files inside to your Program Files/Activision/RTW/ExRM folder. It'll ask if you want to override files, say yes to all, and you're set.

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    So you zip/drag 3.2 folder into the BI folder?

    Afterward you drag the 3.4 folder's items into that 3.2 and it ask if you want to replace those things you click on all yes right?

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    Hold on, just delete the 3.2 folder. Don't worry about it. Just run Bladerunner's 3.4 installer. That has the 3.4.1 hotfix included.
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    It was me with the offer, Quinn. The only thing i forgot is how to turn of the fog of war ( actually i never done it before - don´t like "cheating" )

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    I'll do some testing if you still need it.

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    Thanks, guys! Just hit the ` key to bring up the shell, then type toggle_fow. That'll turn it off. Don't forget to turn off "watch AI movement"! Otherwise you're in for a loooonnng end turn.

    I'd definitely appreciate the help. If you each just did 2 games out to 200, we'd learn a lot.
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    Ok, here is the first round of testing. I only managed to play untill 260 b.c., but i tried to make enough screenshots of all important regions every 5 years.
    I will play farther in the campaign, at least untill 200 b.c. later.
    The game difficulty was M/M, so no factions got financial boost. Maybe i should have played on H/H, since this difficulty was priorized due to more agressive rebells etc.
    The unit scale was large - terrible for my little britanic boats ( i only played a bit during the first 5 years, and took the two rebell settlements to get out of the debt

    Some things wich i noted to be remarkable:

    1. Macedons almoust got wiped out and Greeks seem to steamroll over them and just now, as you can see it on the latest screenshots, also over the Romans.

    2. Epirots were successfull with their expanding in the beginning, but later were pushed back by the Romans - the landbridge didn´t helped them too much, but this is only one campaign.

    3. Galatians seem to use the vacuum left by Macedonians and invaded Balkan/Northern Macedonia. Pushed from two sides, Macs never stood a chance.

    4. Illyrians were way too passive for a while, but then managed to take the rebell stronghold, losing almoust entire army during the siege, if i am not mistaking.

    5. Seleucids are the Masters! They seem to gain enough cash, maybe it´s because the difficulty is Medium, so the smaller factions cannot develop enough pressure, or it´s because the Egyptians are now weakend enough ( in my last 3.3.4 campaign they just overrun all their neighbours within 30 years ).

    6. Gauls do not have Alesia as capital any more - funny, they still somehow managed to get into the top five and expanded quite well, taking Narbo and Massila, and finally pushing into Illyria.

    7. Carthaginians have failed to take Aggrigento iirc, leaving the weakend rebell garrison for the Greeks. After that they concentrated ( as usual ) on Africa, fighting Numidians. They even didn´t try to expand in Spain - you can see, they finaly managed to build up an army in Gades after about 20 years ( but the gouverneur has got godlike influence, so the city seems to be save from riots ).

    8. Romans are cool - they were pressed by Pyrrhus, but somehow managed to take Ariminium and Arretium at the same time and then to strike back!
    Oh, and Messana revolted to Romans, so the war between them started again - and now Greeks are besieging Appolonia.

    And last, but not least: Now i understand, why the poor Britons make it so badly - the Rebell garrisons would win any autoresolve, and the scottish town in the north has got an extreamly tough garrison.
    Btw: 30% unrest in the capital and the neighbour town in the west are quite tough to manage too ( don´t know, if thats a bug or if it´s just to prevent the Britons from expanding? )

    So far, i hope the "rar" file and the screenshots are usefull.

    Greetings,
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    Edit: Played till 250 bc. and then till 234 bc ( that was the year, when Roman Republic fall... ).
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    I have only done to 270 BC so far (on H/H), and at the moment, the Macs are doing poorly and have become protectorates of the Greeks. The Epirotes have taken all of the rebel places in southern Italy and have Rome as their protectorates. The Bactrians went straight to Massagetae and took it, but since then they have made war on Parthia (who were almost destroyed, and I don't think they'll last long), taking Aria. They also captured Alexandria in the Caucasis. It is too early to tell between the Ptolies and the Seleucids, but the Ptolies seem to be getting the better of it at the moment. The Carthaginians took Illipi, Carthago Nova and Tingi, but have otherwise been inactive. Ah yes, I almost forgot: The Dacians decided to expand southwards and captured Bylazora, Pella and Philippi.

    I'll post some screenshots in about ten (game) years time. Shall I post screenshots of the current diplomacy?

    Edit: I think the Thracians and Germans need to be nerfed... By 269 BC, the Germans really shouldn't control Alesia, and the Thracians probably shouldn't have conquered: Iazyges, all of Macedonia except Thessaly and Thessalonica, the Odrysian Kingdom (Tylis), though they haven't moved on the eastern Greek colonies yet. Shouldn't that be their focus? Although, perhaps this is an isolated case.


    New data: I have reached 260 BC. The Seleucid Empire is disintegrating, the Parthians are crushed, and Carthage is finally making progrees against Iberia and Numidia. Germany is way too strong for some co-elition of a few tribal chieftains. Rome and Illyria have done nothing. The Thracians have finally been expelled from most of Macedonia... but by the Epirotes, who have also taken Larissa. Nothing much is happening on Sicily, though Epirus and Carthage are at war. The biggest surprise, however, was Armenia expanding into Babylonia.

    One problem I saw was that Bactria captured Tribus Sakae (only to have it taken from them the next turn). Carthage shouldn't really be advancing across the desert as they are, and is the southern Arabian province really necessary. BTW, my view is that the Arabian and Saharan deserts should become one province with the capital safely behind the Arabian landblock.

    Here are the compressed RAR files(time gap = 5 years):

    http://files.filefront.com/13379515
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    Hmmm, maybe playing on H/M would be better. You can give yourselves $ boosts if necessary.

    This has been very interesting thus far, even though I can't open Caligula Caesar's images. CC, could you save those as PNGs or something?

    It's looking like factions are perhaps expanding too rapidly. Germany seems to be the real culprit, perhaps because they're no longer so obsessed with Sveaby.

    Good to see the Dacians doing well. I guess they just needed some buildup time before facing Macedon.
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    Here's the new link: http://files.filefront.com/13382924

    The Great Parthian Empire really needs a boost. BTW, there are some slight issues with your map. Firstly, there are at least two occasions of what I call "wonky passes." This means that you have a pass, but the land is no lower. Battles on them include units climbing up mountains that no normal person would manage without special equiptment. The first one is north of Susa, and the other one is between Epiphaneia (Media) and its port.

    Secondly, the river Indus climbs up a mountain at one point (at the second ford to the north).

    To slow down Bactria, I suggest you give Merv back to the Seleucids. And I am not sure about this one, but from the research I did when I made my own map, Kapisa and Alex. in the Caucasis were one and the same place. Shouldn't the capital of Arachosia be Kandahar? (if you want to see its location, it is still on modern maps of the region)

    Edit: In 258 BC, Carthage took out Numidia. I have an idea to slow down Bactrian expansion northwards and Carthaginian expansion southwards: garrison scripts. Of course, I don't know how they work, but they should do the job.

    Since the Galatians and Pontics are engaged in a war with no end in sight, none of them is strong enough to withstand the Ptolies should they attack.

    I also forgot to mention that to slow down the Germans, removing the Cimbri and Saxons, as well as strengthening German rebel garrisons, should do the trick.

    New Data:

    I don't think there is much point in continuing testing on this particular save, having reached 240 BC. The Ptolies have stopped going east once the Seleucids fell, but since then have captued Macedonia, Epirus and are pushing back the Thracians, who have held out against their massive amount of full stacks for a surprising amount of time. The Galatians haven't done much, nore have the Romans, who sprang into action in 243 BC once the Illyrians, their allies declared war on Epirus, which prompted them to break away from Epirus. They are staring to unify Italy now.

    The Armenians and Carthage deserve a special mention. The Armenians invaded part of Pontus, Syria and Babylonia, which IMO is good. However, what is not good is that as soon as they saw the Ptolies they decided the Black Sea colonies, and, of all places, the steppe, were the best places to invade. The Sarmatians were doing well at invading Germania before then.

    Carthage has left Sicily alone, except for on one occasion when it took Agrigento from the Greeks, but then lost it to the Epirotes, who almost captured Lilybaeum but have been silent since then. But Carthage has invaded Iberia in numbers and defeated Iberia a long time ago. In fact, they have invaded Gaul, and I doubt there would be much left of Gaul if they hadn't been plagued by many Lusitani revolts, as well as the Gallaeci and Cantabri been hard to subdue initially.

    Here are the newest screenshots: http://files.filefront.com/13384271</B>

    BTW, is it intentional that Khorasan is now the province in which Barbarikon resides? I am sure it should be Sindhi or something of the like. Wasn't Khorasan in Iran?

    I intend to do another test ASAP. This time, however, I'll do a bit of research and change the mindset of certain nations (Bactria, Parthia, Rome, perhaps the Ptolies and a few others) and unless there is a major reason not to, I'll add some fords to the Tanais river so that it is easier for the Sarmatians to cross. What say you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    Perfect, thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    The Great Parthian Empire really needs a boost.
    Would a nerf of both it _and_ Bactria suffice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    BTW, there are some slight issues with your map. Firstly, there are at least two occasions of what I call "wonky passes." This means that you have a pass, but the land is no lower. Battles on them include units climbing up mountains that no normal person would manage without special equiptment. The first one is north of Susa, and the other one is between Epiphaneia (Media) and its port.
    Hmmm, I'll check those out. For the record, I haven't messed with those areas, so they've probably been like that since 6.0.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    Secondly, the river Indus climbs up a mountain at one point (at the second ford to the north).
    That one's definite my fault. I'll put all of this in the to-do list.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    To slow down Bactria, I suggest you give Merv back to the Seleucids. And I am not sure about this one, but from the research I did when I made my own map, Kapisa and Alex. in the Caucasis were one and the same place. Shouldn't the capital of Arachosia be Kandahar? (if you want to see its location, it is still on modern maps of the region)
    Actually, I'm probably going to start Bactria w/Ferghana only and let them go from there. It's not quite historically accurate, but it will produce more accurate gameplay and AI behavior in the long run.

    Kapisa? I thought that didn't exist anymore. You're correct that it's synonymous with Alex./Cauc., though. Why do you ask?

    Kandahar = Alexandria in Arachosia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_in_Arachosia

    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    Edit: In 258 BC, Carthage took out Numidia. I have an idea to slow down Bactrian expansion northwards and Carthaginian expansion southwards: garrison scripts. Of course, I don't know how they work, but they should do the job.
    I think I'll do that for the Bactrians, but it'll be unnecessary for the Carthaginians. That province is going away completely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    Since the Galatians and Pontics are engaged in a war with no end in sight, none of them is strong enough to withstand the Ptolies should they attack.
    Yeah, AI's dumb like that. Any ideas on how to fix it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    I also forgot to mention that to slow down the Germans, removing the Cimbri and Saxons, as well as strengthening German rebel garrisons, should do the trick.
    The Germans actually used to be too weak, so I think we've possible overcompensated. It's so hard to make them an appropriate challenge, you know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    New Data:

    I don't think there is much point in continuing testing on this particular save, having reached 240 BC. The Ptolies have stopped going east once the Seleucids fell, but since then have captued Macedonia, Epirus and are pushing back the Thracians, who have held out against their massive amount of full stacks for a surprising amount of time. The Galatians haven't done much, nore have the Romans, who sprang into action in 243 BC once the Illyrians, their allies declared war on Epirus, which prompted them to break away from Epirus. They are staring to unify Italy now.

    The Armenians and Carthage deserve a special mention. The Armenians invaded part of Pontus, Syria and Babylonia, which IMO is good. However, what is not good is that as soon as they saw the Ptolies they decided the Black Sea colonies, and, of all places, the steppe, were the best places to invade. The Sarmatians were doing well at invading Germania before then.
    Clearly the Ptolies still need some work.

    Strange. Armenia tends to do that after expanding into Mesopotamia. Not sure why. I think they're scared of the Ptolies. I wish they'd try going east or west instead, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    Carthage has left Sicily alone, except for on one occasion when it took Agrigento from the Greeks, but then lost it to the Epirotes, who almost captured Lilybaeum but have been silent since then. But Carthage has invaded Iberia in numbers and defeated Iberia a long time ago. In fact, they have invaded Gaul, and I doubt there would be much left of Gaul if they hadn't been plagued by many Lusitani revolts, as well as the Gallaeci and Cantabri been hard to subdue initially.
    Interesting. The Lusitanni being a pain is part of the design, but it would be nice if Carthage took more of an interest in their overseas properties. Perhaps putting them back on prefers_naval might help? I'm concerned about them being eaten by the Numidians, though, if we do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    BTW, is it intentional that Khorasan is now the province in which Barbarikon resides? I am sure it should be Sindhi or something of the like. Wasn't Khorasan in Iran?
    Oops, meant to fix that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    I intend to do another test ASAP. This time, however, I'll do a bit of research and change the mindset of certain nations (Bactria, Parthia, Rome, perhaps the Ptolies and a few others) and unless there is a major reason not to, I'll add some fords to the Tanais river so that it is easier for the Sarmatians to cross. What say you?
    Sounds interesting. I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

    Could you test with possibly nerfing the Numidians and making Carthage prefer naval invasions? That might help things out.

    Also, how do we slow down growth? My ideal map would be one that was still fluid and with lots of rebel territory by 200 B.C.
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    Would a nerf of both it _and_ Bactria suffice?
    Possibly. I think that the Parthians also struggle against the Seleucids, though[/quote]

    Quote Originally Posted by Quinn Inuit View Post
    Hmmm, I'll check those out. For the record, I haven't messed with those areas, so they've probably been like that since 6.0.
    They were.

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    Actually, I'm probably going to start Bactria w/Ferghana only and let them go from there. It's not quite historically accurate, but it will produce more accurate gameplay and AI behavior in the long run.
    That will be interesting. We'll have to see what the AI does then.

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    Kapisa? I thought that didn't exist anymore. You're correct that it's synonymous with Alex./Cauc., though. Why do you ask?

    I think you forgot to rename Kapisa, because the city south of Alex. Cauc. is definately still Kapisa.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quinn Inuit View Post
    I think I'll do that for the Bactrians, but it'll be unnecessary for the Carthaginians. That province is going away completely.
    I actually meant the Numidian settlements to stop Numidia from being overwhelmed early

    Quote Originally Posted by Quinn Inuit View Post
    Yeah, AI's dumb like that. Any ideas on how to fix it?
    Once the Galatians have been turned into a horde, it shouldn't be a problem provided the horde is placed well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quinn Inuit View Post
    The Germans actually used to be too weak, so I think we've possible overcompensated. It's so hard to make them an appropriate challenge, you know?
    I don't know why the Germans exploded like that. I have just reached 270 BC on my second test, and they have a full stack, but it is just sitting around doing nothing.

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    Strange. Armenia tends to do that after expanding into Mesopotamia. Not sure why. I think they're scared of the Ptolies. I wish they'd try going east or west instead, though.
    I don't know. Perhaps you should check the victory conditions (I am not sure where those are)

    Quote Originally Posted by Quinn Inuit View Post
    Interesting. The Lusitanni being a pain is part of the design, but it would be nice if Carthage took more of an interest in their overseas properties. Perhaps putting them back on prefers_naval might help? I'm concerned about them being eaten by the Numidians, though, if we do that.
    I think you may have misunderstood me. They wiped out Numidia, then crossed over into Iberia, which was no match for them. They were only slowed down by revolts. However, they didn't seem to be doing much on Sicily. Perhaps you should connect Carthage and Lilybaeum via a dot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quinn Inuit View Post
    Also, how do we slow down growth? My ideal map would be one that was still fluid and with lots of rebel territory by 200 B.C.
    A lot of rebel garrisons need to be bigger. For instance, The Kingdom of Nabataea and that of Antropatene survived well past 200 BC, but ingame they are easily conquered before 260 BC. Give strong independant kingdoms strong garrisons.

    I think that Macedon and Rome both need bigger starting armies. Rome takes way too long to get going at the moment, if it even does, and Macedon seems to be wiped out by the Greeks now that it lacks Pella ect. (it has lost all but one province by 270 BC on my current test run.)

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    Sounds interesting. I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

    Could you test with possibly nerfing the Numidians and making Carthage prefer naval invasions? That might help things out.

    Also, how do we slow down growth? My ideal map would be one that was still fluid and with lots of rebel territory by 200 B.C.
    What I have done so far is change the "faction [faction] trader stalin" stuff and add some fords on the Tanais river.

    My results from the river were positive: the Sarmatians almost immediately captured Phanagoria and Theodosia and weakened the other two colonies but have been unable to capture them so far (I went to 260 BC).

    With the AI attitudes, I changed Rome from "fortified" to "bureaucrat". It hasn't made much difference. They initially captured Paestum, but lost it and Capua, and eventually Rome. I think I'll make their southern army bigger and see what happens. I changed the Ptolemaics from "trader" to "fortified." They slowed down, but that may be because the Greeks exploded into Asia Minor, Sicily and Macedonia. I changed Bactria from "bureaucrat napoleon" to "comfortable smith". They seem to be going slower. Parthia was more successful as a result of that. I think that was all. Here are the screenshots: http://files.filefront.com/13386547</B>

    Now I intend to take down the auxilia levels of the Ptolies' Asia Minor holdings. BTW, I suggest you look into the timeline of Arsinoe. Anyway, I will also give Rome and Macedon bigger starting armies and see if they use them, then give rebel settlements in Thrace, Gaul, Northern Illyria and Germania bigger garrisons (Gaul has unified nearly all of France and northern Italy, as well as pushed into northern Illyria and Pannonia, whilst Thrace has reached the Baltic). I'm not sure how I should nerf Numidia, but I will give Carthage back its naval_invasions. I will also employ a trick to that the Libyan and Saharan deserts won't be conquered for the time being (at least, I don't think they will be).

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    Aargh! Long posts!
    /childishness

    It's 263BC, and the epirots are doing great. Rome has only 2 provinces left, and the Epirots have a HUGE stack of troop which they refuse to use.
    Carthage isn't doing anything about Numidia at all, and the seleucids are being ***-raped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    I think you forgot to rename Kapisa, because the city south of Alex. Cauc. is definately still Kapisa.
    Blast. I thought I'd fixed that. I'll put it in the next version.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    I actually meant the Numidian settlements to stop Numidia from being overwhelmed early
    Interesting. Could you try setting Carthage to prefers_naval and see how it balances w/Numidia?


    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    Once the Galatians have been turned into a horde, it shouldn't be a problem provided the horde is placed well.
    Ok, we'll work on horde placement. My goal is to have the Galatians in Greece weaken themselves attacking Macedonia, and then have the Macs steamroll them and reconquer their old settlements.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    I don't know why the Germans exploded like that. I have just reached 270 BC on my second test, and they have a full stack, but it is just sitting around doing nothing.
    Where is it stuck?


    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    I don't know. Perhaps you should check the victory conditions (I am not sure where those are)
    Nope, already fixed those. The farthest north settlement in there is Armenia itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    I think you may have misunderstood me. They wiped out Numidia, then crossed over into Iberia, which was no match for them. They were only slowed down by revolts. However, they didn't seem to be doing much on Sicily. Perhaps you should connect Carthage and Lilybaeum via a dot.
    Not a bad idea. How do you think the dots are working overall?

    I'm surprised Iberia was no match for them. Do you think we need to work on Iberia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    A lot of rebel garrisons need to be bigger. For instance, The Kingdom of Nabataea and that of Antropatene survived well past 200 BC, but ingame they are easily conquered before 260 BC. Give strong independant kingdoms strong garrisons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    I think that Macedon and Rome both need bigger starting armies. Rome takes way too long to get going at the moment, if it even does, and Macedon seems to be wiped out by the Greeks now that it lacks Pella ect. (it has lost all but one province by 270 BC on my current test run.)
    I've tried giving Rome a larger starting army, but it only uses it to attack rebel settlements and consistently overextends itself. It might be a decent idea to spawn one for them at turn 5 or something, though.

    Macs definitely need more troops to start with. They need to be in a position to reconquer Macedonia at the outset, even if it takes awhile.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar View Post
    What I have done so far is change the "faction [faction] trader stalin" stuff and add some fords on the Tanais river.

    My results from the river were positive: the Sarmatians almost immediately captured Phanagoria and Theodosia and weakened the other two colonies but have been unable to capture them so far (I went to 260 BC).

    With the AI attitudes, I changed Rome from "fortified" to "bureaucrat". It hasn't made much difference. They initially captured Paestum, but lost it and Capua, and eventually Rome. I think I'll make their southern army bigger and see what happens. I changed the Ptolemaics from "trader" to "fortified." They slowed down, but that may be because the Greeks exploded into Asia Minor, Sicily and Macedonia. I changed Bactria from "bureaucrat napoleon" to "comfortable smith". They seem to be going slower. Parthia was more successful as a result of that. I think that was all. Here are the screenshots: http://files.filefront.com/13386547</B>

    Now I intend to take down the auxilia levels of the Ptolies' Asia Minor holdings. BTW, I suggest you look into the timeline of Arsinoe. Anyway, I will also give Rome and Macedon bigger starting armies and see if they use them, then give rebel settlements in Thrace, Gaul, Northern Illyria and Germania bigger garrisons (Gaul has unified nearly all of France and northern Italy, as well as pushed into northern Illyria and Pannonia, whilst Thrace has reached the Baltic). I'm not sure how I should nerf Numidia, but I will give Carthage back its naval_invasions. I will also employ a trick to that the Libyan and Saharan deserts won't be conquered for the time being (at least, I don't think they will be).
    I wonder why Thrace isn't moving south? They have a great path to do so.

    What would you recommend for the Ptolies Asia Minor holdings?

    Hmmm, Rome should definitely be "bureaucrat." I thought I'd fixed that a year ago. As for Bactria, you might want to leave them as "Napoleon" so you get a better troop mix. "Fortified" makes a great deal of sense for the Ptolies historically, actually.

    Where'd you put the fords?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister S View Post
    Aargh! Long posts!
    /childishness

    It's 263BC, and the epirots are doing great. Rome has only 2 provinces left, and the Epirots have a HUGE stack of troop which they refuse to use.
    Carthage isn't doing anything about Numidia at all, and the seleucids are being ***-raped.
    Sorry, we kill a lot of bandwidth trees around here.

    I'm not sure why the Epirotes are stuck--I don't think there are any map blocks there anymore.

    The Seleucids would, I think, benefit from nerfing Parthia and Bactria.

    As for Carthage, their inaction puzzles me. Do they have any stacks that seem stuck somewhere?
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