US States Demand Sovereignty

[bigfootedfred]

This first caught my eye a few days ago,

Worried the federal government is increasing its dominance over their affairs, several states are pursuing legislative action to assert their sovereignty under the 10th Amendment of the Constitution

The states question whether the U.S. government can force states to take actions without paying for them or impose conditions on states if they accept certain federal funding
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"We are telling the federal government that we are a sovereign state and want to be treated as such. We are not a branch of the federal government," said Arizona state Rep. Judy Burges, who is leading an effort in her state to pass a resolution called "Sovereignty: the 10th Amendment."


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Oklahoma state Sen. Randy Brogdon introduced a resolution that he said would enable his state to "reclaim its 10th Amendment right to reject any and all acts of Congress that go beyond its enumerated powers in violation of the 10th Amendment."
Other states pursuing sovereignty resolutions are Hawaii, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire and Washington. Similar measures are likely to be introduced in more than a dozen other states, analysts said.

Link

heres the version of it in the state of Tennesse at this current time

A RESOLUTION to affirm Tennessee’s sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States and to demand the federal government halt its practice of assuming powers and of imposing mandates upon the states for purposes not enumerated by the Constitution of the United States.

rest is here

Indiana

“A CONCURRENT RESOLUTION urging the honorable Barack Obama, President of the United States, the President of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States, in Congress assembled, and the President of the Senate and Speaker of the House of Representatives of each State’s legislature of the United States of America to cease and desist, effective immediately, any and all mandates that are beyond the scope of their constitutionally delegated power.”

New Hampshire

That any Act by the Congress of the United States, Executive Order of the President of the United States of America or Judicial Order by the Judicatories of the United States of America which assumes a power not delegated to the government of United States of America by the Constitution for the United States of America and which serves to diminish the liberty of the any of the several States or their citizens shall constitute a nullification of the Constitution for the United States of America by the government of the United States of America. Acts which would cause such a nullification include, but are not limited to:


I. Establishing martial law or a state of emergency within one of the States comprising the United States of America without the consent of the legislature of that State.


II. Requiring involuntary servitude, or governmental service other than a draft during a declared war, or pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.


III. Requiring involuntary servitude or governmental service of persons under the age of 18 other than pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.


IV. Surrendering any power delegated or not delegated to any corporation or foreign government.


V. Any act regarding religion; further limitations on freedom of political speech; or further limitations on freedom of the press.


VI. Further infringements on the right to keep and bear arms including prohibitions of type or quantity of arms or ammunition; and


That should any such act of Congress become law or Executive Order or Judicial Order be put into force, all powers previously delegated to the United States of America by the Constitution for the United States shall revert to the several States individually. Any future government of the United States of America shall require ratification of three quarters of the States seeking to form a government of the United States of America and shall not be binding upon any State not seeking to form such a government

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legi...9/HCR0006.html

from what i hear, as many as 30 states have as of this time, passed, proposed, or are debating similiar legislation at this very time.

interesting though im not sure what if anything will come of it.

[Quadratus]

Like Secession?

Very interesting.

[nate895]

Like Secession?

Very interesting.

AFAIK, only one threatens secession (New Hampshire), maybe a couple of others. The others simply state that they would like their sovereignty back.

[bigfootedfred]

Like Secession?

is that even possible?

with mexico looking like its going to blow up anytime soon and unleash a wave of mass migration (like, more than there is now) well who knows i guess.
not me thats for sure.

[Celsius]

Interesting indeed.

[Winter]

Interesting. Of course nothing will ever come of it, but its interesting nonetheless...

Like Secession?

I vaguely recall a situation sometime in American history that involves that very concept that leads me to believe that that particular action likely won't work.

[Barry Goldwater]

Most interesting...

is that even possible?

Not since the War between the States it isn't

[nate895]

Interesting. Of course nothing will ever come of it, but its interesting nonetheless...



I vaguely recall a situation sometime in American history that involves that very concept that leads me to believe that that particular action likely won't work.

I seem to remember lots of things that failed the first time, succeeding on the second try.

Ireland rebelled tons of times, and they eventually actually did get their independence. So, just because something didn't work last time doesn't mean it won't again.

Let me say this. There is a 0.1% chance that any state will ever secede. Aside from the obvious Fed crackdown, what are you going to do without federal funding? We're already hard pressed enough with it.

God forbid we should ever go back to the proper role of government where they simply regulate aggression.

[Last Roman]

I vaguely recall a situation sometime in American history that involves that very concept that leads me to believe that that particular action likely won't work.

ya...what was that again?

[Zephyrus]

ya...what was that again?

The Civil War.

Your welcome.

[Last Roman]

The Civil War.

Your welcome.

oooh, ya, wasnt that the thing where some dudes wanted to keep some darkies as slaves and then some other white dudes were like "um, that guy with the funny hat said you cant have them anymore"

[Celsius]

You never know Winter. If enough states want to succeed. They will. It has happend before. But this time, there mightbe more.

[King Edward III]

Raise the Bonnie Blue Flag!

[Quadratus]

Interesting. Of course nothing will ever come of it, but its interesting nonetheless...



I vaguely recall a situation sometime in American history that involves that very concept that leads me to believe that that particular action likely won't work.

Well you never know...

[Trey]

Let me say this. There is a 0.1% chance that any state will ever secede. Aside from the obvious Fed crackdown, what are you going to do without federal funding? We're already hard pressed enough with it.

[Scar Face]

Let me say this. There is a 0.1% chance that any state will ever secede. Aside from the obvious Fed crackdown, what are you going to do without federal funding? We're already hard pressed enough with it.

Fed funding is through taxation. If the states secede they will presumably have just as much funding as they would have before- some might have more, depending on the amount of dollars taxed from a state and how much is later put back into it. However this statement is untrue, because the American government has printing money- thus destroying the currency and the economy- for decades.

In other words, jumping off the sinking ship is helpful either way.

[Richard]

Fed funding is through taxation. If the states secede they will presumably have just as much funding as they would have before- some might have more, depending on the amount of dollars taxed from a state and how much is later put back into it. However this statement is untrue, because the American government has printing money- thus destroying the currency and the economy- for decades.

In other words, jumping off the sinking ship is helpful either way.

Exactly. Some states would be better off, some worse off. The rich ones which effectively subsidise the poorer ones through the federal government would obviously be better off.

[bigfootedfred]

recently leaked document, concering the militia movement, state rights, ect.

http://documents.scribd.com/docs/1xd...npsq67kt0c.pdf

As most readers of this are probably aware, the Campaign for Liberty has been singled out, along with a few other political groups, in a leaked Missouri state government report, "The Modern Militia Movement." The document tells state officials to be on the lookout for violent extremists while conflating them with pretty much anyone who criticizes the government. Perhaps most troubling, the information apparently comes from the Department of Homeland Security, meaning that similar documents could be circulating in states other than Missouri.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=28

also interesting;

The call by some right wing leaders for rebellion and for the millitary to refuse the commander in chief’s orders is joined by Chuck Norris

who claims that thousands of right wing cell groups have organized and are ready for a second American Revolution.

During an appearance on the Glen Beck radio show he promised that if things get any worse from his point of view he may “run for president of Texas.” The martial artist/actor/activist claims that Texas was never formally a part of the United States in the first place
and that if rebellion is to come through secession
Texas would lead the way.

He continues; calling on a second American Revolution; “…we've bastardized the First Amendment, reinterpreted America's religious history and secularized our society until we ooze skepticism and circumvent religion on every level of public and private life.

How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And, when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the authority according to America's Declaration of Independence, which states: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government…”

http://www.examiner.com/x-2071-DC-Sp...-US-government

[Gideon Goldgod]

Let me say this. There is a 0.1% chance that any state will ever secede. Aside from the obvious Fed crackdown, what are you going to do without federal funding? We're already hard pressed enough with it.

What would the FED do without funding from the states and the citizens living in those states? Double edged sword that one is.

It's United States of America. Not America owning fifty states.

[André Masséna]

There's a huge difference between Seceding from the Union and demanding the Federal Government Honor the Constitution.