Swedish government passes the "Ipred-law".

[Cavalier]

Translation by myself:

Yes to Ipred


Publicerad: 25 februari 2009, 15.54. Senast ändrad: 25 februari 2009, 16.26
After a several hours long debate, it's time for the riksdag to make a decision about Ipred. The Riksdag(government) voted yes to the controversial proposition.


Even to the very last moment the so called Ipred-law - the law that makes it possible for the copyright-owners to get access to information about potential "pirates" - an intense discussion.
For hours the riksdag debated about the law-proposition. On one side the Green party and the Left party, who thinks that the law is a threat to the integrity of common man and creates possibilities for CD- and moviecompanies to sue common people for hundreds of thousands of kronor(SEK).
On the other side there's the right wing majority and government who says that the law is necessery to stop illegal filesharing. - Those who create movies and music shall, with the law, gain better oppertunities to protect their copyrights, said minister of justice Beatrice Ask earlier today.
In the middle there's the Socialdemocrats. They support the law, but wants special ministers and commissions.
Ipred will become a reality - even though the people protest against it. The 1st of april(nice date...) the law will become "active".


The Green party and the Left party urges that the proposition shall be declined. The Socialdemocrats will that the law shall be changed is also declined.
(Removed some unecessary information.

Source (In Swedish) http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/artikel_2518829.svd

What do you think? This is starting to become fascist. The government is literally "bending over" to the major companies. Ipred basically gives the rights to companies to find out information about a person, what he's doing on the internet, everyday. The entire population, with a internet cable is watched. Bloody police-state.. And isn't this a crime to the human rights?

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

We don't have much of a choice.
This is pushed on from EU and being a member we have to say yes.
But seriously, the law was passed in Denmark and it failed, why on earth would it work in Sweden, a country where the majority of the people download on a regular basis ??
It's stupid. Enjoy seeing our tax-money being wasted on hunting 12 year olds, who can't even get charged with a felon.

[Cavalier]

We don't have much of a choice.
This is pushed on from EU and being a member we have to say yes.
But seriously, the law was passed in Denmark and it failed, why on earth would it work in Sweden, a country where the majority of the people download on a regular basis ??
It's stupidity.

Indeed. What are they going to do? Sue hundreds of thousands of people for hundreds of thousands of kronor?
Seriously, now, I don't have any trust for the government at all.

[Lovejoy]

Yep. The biggest failure made by Sweden in modern time. But we are many who fight against it here in Sweden! I know we will win - this is too important. Similar laws will probably come up in many countries around the world. Its important we all fight against it.

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

Yep. The biggest failure made by Sweden in modern time. But we are many who fight against it here in Sweden! I know we will win - this is too important. Similar laws will probably come up in many countries around the world. Its important we all fight against it.

I think Sweden is one of the last countries in Europe that pass this law, the rest has already passed it some time ago.
Without success.
Technology has already won this battle and now it's time to adapt to this technology, not outlaw it.

[Cavalier]

Isn't it possible for a hacker to just.. shut down the government computers that monitor the people?

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

Isn't it possible for a hacker to just.. shut down the government computers that monitor the people?

If they wanted to, sure.
But we won't see that.
We will see torrent programs that hides you IP adress or other services that will do the same thing(infact I think they already exist).

[Lovejoy]

I think Sweden is one of the last countries in Europe that pass this law, the rest has already passed it some time ago.
Without success.
Technology has already won this battle and now it's time to adapt to this technology, not outlaw it.

Orly?

While The Pirate Bay is real pioneers when it comes to file sharing - they are probably partially the cause of this. The Pirate Bay is the biggest torrent tracker in the entire world. This have caused "the industry" to see Sweden as a "pirate nest". We have been famous about file sharing. While that is good - it certainly caught the attention of the media industry.

They have been lobbying against the Sweden Government for years. Its just too bad they weren't strong enough in long run.

[Cavalier]

Orly?

While The Pirate Bay is real pioneers when it comes to file sharing - they are probably partially the cause of this. The Pirate Bay is the biggest torrent tracker in the entire world. This have caused "the industry" to see Sweden as a "pirate nest". We have been famous about file sharing. While that is good - it certainly caught the attention of the media industry.

They have been lobbying against the Sweden Government for years. Its just too bad they weren't strong enough in long run.

We'll see what the court says. But as well all know, Piratebay is going to lose the case. The government and the companies has bribed the judges and jury.

[Hekko]

I see the swedish parliament (the government parties) are out on some sort of vendetta against personal integrity, first the FRA-law, and now this...

I don't see how giving private companies pretty much police powers is going to do anything good in the long run.

[Pickle_mole]

We don't have much of a choice.
This is pushed on from EU and being a member we have to say yes.
But seriously, the law was passed in Denmark and it failed, why on earth would it work in Sweden, a country where the majority of the people download on a regular basis ??
It's stupid. Enjoy seeing our tax-money being wasted on hunting 12 year olds, who can't even get charged with a felon.

GOD BLESS THE EU!

[Erik]

Enjoy seeing our tax-money being wasted on hunting 12 year olds, who can't even get charged with a felon.

I think the grand idea is that the record, software and movie companies will go hunting (using their own money), not the police or other tax-funded organizations.

But private companies acting like the police has its own drawbacks and controversies.

Is it not legal to look for stolen goods? Using or browsing a file sharing search engine reveals people who have choosen to display items they stole. If ypou put a sign in front of your house that said "Police Officer I have a bunch of stolen stuff in my house" that would be probable cause to suspect a crime.

In most countries it's not legal to search for stolen goods inside a thief's home unless you're a police officer and you have a warrant.
Not even if you're 100% sure the goods are there.

Giving companies information about peoples internet use is a lot like giving them a key to their private homes.

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Question: does this law apply only to people using a computer in Sweden, or does it allow companies to look at foreigners coming to "Swedish servers" as well? (yes, I'm a little worried)

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

Question: does this law apply only to people using a computer in Sweden, or does it allow companies to look at foreigners coming to "Swedish servers" as well? (yes, I'm a little worried)

Well I can imagine that with this law they should have it easier to work with other countries, handing out info to the proper authorities in that country.

[Erik]

Well I can imagine that with this law they should have it easier to work with other countries, handing out info to the proper authorities in that country.

But the thing is: In my opinion the Swedish government has no right to investigate the online activities of people in my country, or give this ability to private companies.

I mean:
If I sit in Holland and pirate a CD from a French record company off a German server....what the hell does Sweden have to do with it?

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

But the thing is: In my opinion the Swedish government has no right to investigate the online activities of people in my country, or give this ability to private companies.

I mean:
If I sit in Holland and pirate a CD from a French record company off a German server....what the hell does Sweden have to do with it?

Well I'm thinking more like police work today.
They see a IP adress, see that it comes from Holland and then contacts police in holland and let them deal with it.
I can see that this might lead to the same thing.

[The Devil's Sergeant]

+ Rep Sweden.

It's about goddamn time Sweden put an end to the theft of copyrighted software and media.

The people and government of Sweden ought to also be held liable for all the damage they have done to date.

Pay up tow heads.

Pirate bay is merely a search engine, nothing more. It just finds the items, it doesn't host them.

That's like saying a service that identifies homeowners that don't lock their at night for theives isn't doing anything wrong.

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

That's like saying a service that identifies homeowners that don't lock their at night for theives isn't doing anything wrong.

So i suppose closing Google is perfectly acceptable to you since you can find illegal things with it ??

[The Devil's Sergeant]

So i suppose closing Google is perfectly acceptable to you since you can find illegal things with it ??

Pirate Bay, hence the name, was knowing and purposefully providing a service it knew enabled users to break copyright laws.

It was its reason for being.

I get the feeling you want to punch a damn swede in the face too!

Doesn't everyone?

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

Pirate Bay, hence the name, was knowing and purposefully providing a service it knew enabled users to break copyright laws.

It was its reason for being.

No, it's to provide a search engine for people who share.
Not everything on Pirate bay is copyrighted. Nine Inch Nails for example uses Pirate bay and is totally legal.
Why must artists be punished ??

[The Devil's Sergeant]

No, it's to provide a search engine for people who share.
Not everything on Pirate bay is copyrighted. Nine Inch Nails for example uses Pirate bay and is totally legal.
Why must artists be punished ??

Oh please, pirate bay is the go to place on the web for copyright infringement. That some of its content is legal doesn't excuse anything.