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    I was looking around in the localisation.loc file, and found some various weird odds and ends. It's mostly a lot of summaries (i'm assuming for triggered events on the campaign map). For example:

    The Chesapeake was already looking for the Shannon and what happened next would be perhaps the greatest ship-to-ship duel in the entire history of the Age of Sail.

    Take control of the Shannon and see if you can repeat history.


    I assume that's one of the missions to perform in the RtI campaign.

    Interesting units that are mentioned are (at least ones I find interesting):

    Bashi-Bazouk
    Eastern War Elephant lancers (though we knew that already)
    Voltigeurs (which was apparently a unit created in 1809)
    Buccaneers
    64 lber cannons (siege, heavy artillery, and something else)
    Cazadores
    "native_american_archers_rubbish" from the Powhatan tribe...
    Steamship (though we all knew it was confirmed)
    East India Company lancers
    Kurdish Hillmen
    Kalmuks
    Hakkapeliitat
    Fellahin Swordsmen
    European grenade launchers (Hand Mortar Company???)


    Events or traits:
    Apparently you can have a worker's rebellion
    I saw traits like "has influenza" and "infected_yellow_fever."
    Another trait called "Indian Flux"
    Judging by a line of text, it would seem you have to battle at a star fort in the RtI campaign.

    Anyway, this is just a tiny sample of the weird things in there. I'm going to dig in for awhile, I'll post anything I find interesting.

    If you want to look, you have to unpack everything (look in the mod threads to do so), download a high quality simple text editor (like textpad or notepad ++), then just open up localisation.loc

    EDIT:
    There's a lengthy list of rebels... perhaps I should list some (at least the Native ones [though I apologize if some of these aren't actually natives])
    Lakota
    Quapaw
    Navajo
    Mayan
    Manitoba
    Arawakan
    Wyandot
    Cherokee
    Bahaman

    There's probably more.... kind of lazy to look.

    EDIT2:
    It would seem that the last many lines of it are every single name that one of your characters might get.... it's a gigantic database.
    Last edited by Onizuka0513; February 23, 2009 at 02:13 AM.
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    Wow thanks for posting mate
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    Wow 64 lb cannons.


    Those would be pretty bad-ass.

    Nice find.

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    Cazadores
    Hakkapeliitat

    those are portuguese and finnish units I think, that would suggest that they will be unlockable/playable hopefully!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koil View Post
    Hakkapeliitat
    ...finnish unit I think, that would suggest that they will be unlockable/playable hopefully!
    Its most likely the unit Jack Lusted talked about in his AAR that he couldnt pronounce, hehe.

    They are Finnish light cavalry.

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    not sure the "cazadores" are portuguese units... because in portuguese, Cazador is suposed to be "Caçador".
    I wish it was a portuguese unit :< it would highly upgrade my expectations for my fav. faction to be a playable one :<


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    And apparently you choose your duelling weapon, there was a line that said something like "Fencing Skill || Check this before choosing your dueling weapon || If you can, pick the weapon you are more proficient in to increase your chances of winning"

    Found that rather interesting. We still know very little about how the duels work.
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    Manitoba is a province, and possibly derived from native words for the area. Neat find

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    Okay I found a of researchable techs

    Technologies:
    Empiricism (lol)
    National Debt
    Rights of Man
    Power Loom
    Cannister Shot
    Separation of Powers
    Explosive Rockets
    Spinning Jenny (had no idea what this was... apparently it's a multi-spool spinning spool)
    Utilitarianism
    Advance in Column
    Improved Grenades
    Advanced Irrigation
    Cadenced Marching
    Quicklime Shells
    Diamond Formation (what's the point of diamond formation?)
    Anti-Clericism
    Field Crop Rotation
    Fire and advance
    Improved Platoon Firing
    Seed planting drill
    Machined Rifling
    Various Steam Pumps
    Percussion Cap
    Advanced Skirmishing (and I quote, "A system of tactics that employs light troops to best effect, doing away with any formal battle line".... interesting)
    Screw Breach
    Puddling Furnace
    Socket Bayonet
    Copper bottoms
    Lime Juice and Sauerkraut (hahaha)
    Meteorological studies
    Pocket Chronometer
    Preserved foods
    Navy Seasoning
    Sheet lead cartridges
    Underhanded submersible warfare (and I quote, "When conventional warfare at sea fails to destroy the enemy, perhaps it is time to consider unconventional schemes of madmen")
    Metal Measuring Tools
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    Quicklime Shells? what the hell? We shooting bricks and cement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onizuka0513 View Post
    Okay I found a of researchable techs
    Fire and advance
    Improved Platoon Firing
    Very, very nice. Certainly looking forward to seeing this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_legged_devils View Post
    Quicklime Shells? what the hell? We shooting bricks and cement?
    Quicklime aka Calcium Oxide is caustic (burns skin) can (and has been) used to blind people in combat. Quicklime isn't the same stuff as normal Lime (calcium hydroxide) which is used in mortar etc.

    Suffice it to say: you don't want quicklime on your skin.
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    Believe I have found a list of the Historical battles that will be in the game, did some searching through the localisation.loc file and found descriptions for Historical Battles, including the 2 we got in the demo.

    Warning: Lots of text!

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    In preparation, American General George Washington readied most of his units to defend from this frontal assault around the narrow crossing of Chad's Ford on the Brandywine. The Creek flows through the countryside of Pennsylvania, enveloped by sheer cliffs and heavily wooded hills on both sides. Knowing that much of fast-flowing creek could not be crossed, Washington was confident of holding his position.

    However, more detailed surveillance of the terrain would suggest that alternative routes could provide could turn the battle in the favour of the British.


    The Jacobite Rebellion of 1745 resulted in recrimination and confusion after the invasion of England ended in retreat. By 1746 the Jacobite army of Bonnie Prince Charles was declining in numbers and motivation. Despite victories at Prestonpans and Falkirk many Highlanders had left the army after Falkirk to return home.

    The British army in Scotland was now led by William, Duke of Cumberland, and second son of King George II. His army was bigger than the Jacobite force, and he had been drilling it for six weeks at Aberdeen. This training included new bayonet drills to fight the Highlanders.

    Cumberland marched north. The Jacobites chose to fight on a marsh near Culloden. This decision showed some of the internal tensions in the Jacobite army. Some thought the marshy ground would impede the famous Highland charge, a tactic which was the basis of their victory plans. The Jacobites tried a night attack on the day of Cumberland’s birthday, but it failed. In the morning, the British army, which included Highland clansmen in its ranks, assembled on the moor.

    Can you change history and lead the smaller, exhausted force of Bonnie Prince Charles to victory?

    Historically Culloden was won by the British government forces, with the Jacobite army being decisively defeated. This ended any hope of the Stuarts reclaiming the British throne. Cumberland gained the nickname of “Butcher” because of his orders to kill any wounded Jacobites on the field. Government loyalists called him “Sweet William”, and the flower of the same name is supposedly named in his honour.


    Following the loss of Boston to the Rebels, the British needed a new strategy: an attack on New York was to be attempted. Ten weeks later, the Continental Army suffered a huge loss in the Battle of Long Island and abandoned New York City.

    Retreating to Morris Mansion on the heights of Harlem, General Washington assembled his troops and watched as Major-General Howe moved his forces onto the high ground across the plains. Washington then ordered Captain Thomas Knowlton to lead a group of New England Rangers south to attempt to draw the British back towards the Americans encamped on the Heights to surprise them.

    Can the Americans stop the British from overrunning all of New York and then crossing into New Jersey and Pennsylvania? Will they find the courage to stop the British


    As so often in 18th Century warfare, French plans to invade England during the Seven Years War were reliant on ships from the naval base at Toulouse joining ships from Brest. The British had both ports blockaded, and the French had to wait for one of the blockading fleets to withdraw for re-supply before attempting any rendezvous.

    The opportunity came when the British fleet under Admiral Boscawen at Toulon withdrew to Gibraltar. The French under Jean-François de la Clue-Sabran left Toulon, and began to make their way towards Brest. Passing the Straits of Gibraltar, the French were spotted by Boscawen’s lookout ships.

    Giving chase, Boscawen’s fleet was only slightly larger than the French force, and caught up with them off the coast of Portugal where battle was joined.

    Take control of the British and defeat the French to end the invasion threat to Britain.

    Historically, the French fleet separated and Boscawen’s fourteen ships defeated seven French ships.



    Following the end of The War of Spanish Succession, Spain lost its Italian territories thanks to the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713. Not surprisingly, King Philip V of Spain was intent on regaining these lands. Having recaptured Sardinia the previous year, the Spanish landed on Sicily in July 1718.

    On the morning of 15 October 1718, the Spanish army under the Marquis de Lede was camped around the city of Mellazo. However, unknown to the Spanish, their fleet had been beaten by the British at Cape Passaro. The Royal Navy had then landed an Austrian army, under Count Wirich von Daun, to lift the siege.

    The Marquis de Lede was completely surprised by the Austrian attack and, with no possibility of help from Spanish forces to the West faced a desperate Battle. Can you delay the Austrians and regroup the scattered Spanish forces



    Trade, money, power: whoever secured India would have them all. The British, French and Dutch contended for their share of India’s wealth, but the Mughal Empire had no intention of giving up without a fight.

    Supplied by the French, the Nawab of Bengal, Siraj-ud-Daulah, marched on Plassey, threatening British interests there. Defended only by Colonel Robert Clive and a small force of sepoys, this small village became the turning point for the British East Indian Company’s fortunes.

    Penned in against the river, Clive’s army must hold their ground against superior Mughal numbers. Victory here will secure the Company’s interests and wealth for generations to come.



    John Churchill, the Duke of Marlborough, was the greatest British general of the 18th century. In 1706 he was leading the Allied forces in the Spanish Netherlands against the French and Bavarian forces in the War of Spanish Succession. Two years before he had won a great victory at Blenheim.

    Churchill did not expect the French to attack in Flanders, but Louis XIV had ordered Marshal Villeroi to do just that. After French success in Italy and along the Rhine, Louis wanted to see similar victories in Flanders. Villeroi therefore set out to bring Marlborough to battle, and Marlborough moved to meet this French offensive. Both sides moved quicker than the other expected, and they met at the town of Ramillies. Villeroi deployed with his line centred on Ramillies, and Marlborough prepared his forces for attack.

    Lead Marlborough’s army in its assault on Villeroi’s positions.

    Historically Marlborough won his second great victory of the war at Ramillies thanks to his subtle tactical manoeuvring. The victory destroyed Villeroi’s army. Marlborough would go on to win two more great victories in the war at Oudenaarde and Malplaquet.



    In 1781, during the American Revolutionary War, Lord Cornwallis led the British army to Yorktown during the summer campaign. His aim was to take advantage of British naval dominance to aid the campaign in the south.

    A French fleet under the Comte de Grasse sailed from the West Indies to the Chesapeake, seeking to cut off Cornwallis from his naval support. It managed to avoid a British fleet under Rear-Admiral sir Samuel Hood. When Hood found no French ships at the Chesapeake, he sailed to New York where Read-Admiral Thomas Graves took control.

    Sailing south they found de Grasses’ fleet in the Chesapeake. De Grasse took the approaching sails to be a friendly convoy, but it rapidly became clear it was the British fleet. Despite the advantage of the wind, Graves formed his fleet into a line allowing the French time to form into a line of their own.

    Can you command the French and inflict enough damage on the British to inflict to force them to withdraw?

    Historically the battle of the Chesapeake was a decisive victory for the French and their American allies. The British fleet did not suffer major damage, but its defeat spelt Cornwallis’ doom, and resulted in his surrender at Yorktown. This was the biggest blow to British operations in America during the war.



    During the War of 1812, the new United States Navy found itself at war with the Royal Navy. Even with its massive commitments in Europe against Napoleonic France, the British still had eighty-five ships in American waters compared to just twenty-two US ships.

    The US Navy therefore relied on hit-and-run tactics and the skill of its crews. It also had some frigates that were far more powerful than their British equivalents.

    A string of defeats left some British captains hungry for revenge. Captain Sir Philip Broke of the HMS Shannon was particularly looking forward to clashing with the Americans. On patrol off Boston, Broke issued a challenge to Captain James Lawrence of the USS Chesapeake.

    The Chesapeake was already looking for the Shannon and what happened next would be perhaps the greatest ship-to-ship duel in the entire history of the Age of Sail.

    Take control of the Shannon and see if you can repeat history.

    Historically the battle was short but very bloody, lasting just sixteen minutes with the Shannon emerging victorious thanks to its crew’s superior gunnery skills. Lawrence was amongst those killed in the battle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R4nd0M View Post
    Very, very nice. Certainly looking forward to seeing this.



    Quicklime aka Calcium Oxide is caustic (burns skin) can (and has been) used to blind people in combat. Quicklime isn't the same stuff as normal Lime (calcium hydroxide) which is used in mortar etc.

    Suffice it to say: you don't want quicklime on your skin.
    Yeah i have got caustic soda (the same thing essentially) on my hands and it hurt... i did not notice fpr a few seconds and my hands felt itchy, i scratched at them and the skin started to bubble and tear off, kinda like really really bad and advanced sunburn only getting it in 40 secs etc.

    I washed it off with water and it was fine, no lasting harm just very sore for a day or so.

    But i cannot imagine the damage it would cause to the face and eyes, espechially if you had no water to wash it off. Quicklime sheels would not kill any people but would, i guess cause horrific injuries and wreck a units moral, if you cant see, you cant shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R4nd0M View Post
    Very, very nice. Certainly looking forward to seeing this.



    Quicklime aka Calcium Oxide is caustic (burns skin) can (and has been) used to blind people in combat. Quicklime isn't the same stuff as normal Lime (calcium hydroxide) which is used in mortar etc.

    Suffice it to say: you don't want quicklime on your skin.

    That means we get to see horible burns and desfigurations !
    FTW CA !


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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_legged_devils View Post
    Quicklime Shells? what the hell? We shooting bricks and cement?

    lime makes you blind if it is thrown in your eyes

    so maybe it is used in a howitzer or mortar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onizuka0513 View Post
    Spinning Jenny (had no idea what this was... apparently it's a multi-spool spinning spool)
    Thats interesting. There were riots in the north of England when this machine was introduced, because it put many hand weavers out of business.

    So I suppose it will increase your tech but also cause social unrest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onizuka0513 View Post
    Okay I found a of researchable techs

    Technologies:
    Empiricism (lol)
    National Debt
    Rights of Man
    Power Loom
    Cannister Shot
    Separation of Powers
    Explosive Rockets
    Spinning Jenny (had no idea what this was... apparently it's a multi-spool spinning spool)
    Utilitarianism
    Advance in Column
    Improved Grenades
    Advanced Irrigation
    Cadenced Marching
    Quicklime Shells
    Diamond Formation (what's the point of diamond formation?)
    Anti-Clericism
    Field Crop Rotation
    Fire and advance
    Improved Platoon Firing
    Seed planting drill
    Machined Rifling
    Various Steam Pumps
    Percussion Cap
    Advanced Skirmishing (and I quote, "A system of tactics that employs light troops to best effect, doing away with any formal battle line".... interesting)
    Screw Breach
    Puddling Furnace
    Socket Bayonet
    Copper bottoms
    Lime Juice and Sauerkraut (hahaha)
    Meteorological studies
    Pocket Chronometer
    Preserved foods
    Navy Seasoning
    Sheet lead cartridges
    Underhanded submersible warfare (and I quote, "When conventional warfare at sea fails to destroy the enemy, perhaps it is time to consider unconventional schemes of madmen")
    Metal Measuring Tools
    i wonder what national debt means? maybe for the first time in TW we can run a deficit economy????

    seperation of powers? anyone care to speculate?

    all those i bolded seem to be naval techs to help you're navy maintain and run better. this is very good news as there seems to be a much more advanced system of attrition in place if theyre taking lime juice and preserved foods into account
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    Quote Originally Posted by twist_the_wrist View Post
    i wonder what national debt means? maybe for the first time in TW we can run a deficit economy????
    This is what I was thinking.... and I think it's a damn good thing if that's the case!


    And archimonday, I also thought about posting that.... but then when I saw places like 'kenya,' I was wondering if they were actually the regions, since I didn't think the African theater went that far south... but who knows. Anyway, thanks for posting it.
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    Found a file containing all the historical characters that will be in the game I think, here's some of the ones starting with A.

    abraham_de_moivre
    abraham_gotthelf_kastner
    abraham_gottlob_werner
    adam_duncan
    adam_gottlob_moltke
    adam_smith
    adrien_legendre
    ahmed_resmi_efendi
    aleksander_august_zamoyski
    alexander_gottlieb_baumgarten
    alexander_hamilton
    alexander_pope
    alexander_rumyantsev
    alexander_vasilyevich_suvorov
    alexis_clairault
    anders_chydenius
    anders_sparrman
    andre_massena
    andreas_felix_von_oefele
    andreas_hadik
    andreas_hofer
    andreas_marggraf
    andrew_meikle
    andrew_plumber
    andrey_timofeyevich_bolotov
    antoich_kantemir
    anton_van_leeuwenhoek
    anton_wilhelm_von_lestocq
    antonio_de_ulloa
    arnold_drakenborch
    artemy_volynsky
    arthur_wellesley - The Duke of Wellington
    augustin_luyando
    augustus_keppel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koil View Post
    Found a file containing all the historical characters that will be in the game I think, here's some of the ones starting with A.

    abraham_de_moivre
    abraham_gotthelf_kastner
    abraham_gottlob_werner
    adam_duncan
    adam_gottlob_moltke
    adam_smith
    adrien_legendre
    ahmed_resmi_efendi
    aleksander_august_zamoyski
    alexander_gottlieb_baumgarten
    alexander_hamilton
    alexander_pope
    alexander_rumyantsev
    alexander_vasilyevich_suvorov
    alexis_clairault
    anders_chydenius
    anders_sparrman
    andre_massena
    andreas_felix_von_oefele
    andreas_hadik
    andreas_hofer
    andreas_marggraf
    andrew_meikle
    andrew_plumber
    andrey_timofeyevich_bolotov
    antoich_kantemir
    anton_van_leeuwenhoek
    anton_wilhelm_von_lestocq
    antonio_de_ulloa
    arnold_drakenborch
    artemy_volynsky
    arthur_wellesley - The Duke of Wellington
    augustin_luyando
    augustus_keppel
    Add some more interesting one..

    CA you have done a great job so far, keep up the good work!!

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