United States of America - thoughts

[thebull0425]

Ok, all you great consumers from the good ole U.S.A., your country is in peril economically because of a greed fueled culture, and yet, here you have Repbulicans denouncing everything the Democrats are trying to do to help the country out of this economic funk. Here are some thoughts I have, I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

1. The country is like a rotten apple. It's shiny and nice on the outside, but on the inside it is rotten.
2.Too many years of greed, special interest politics, an inability to move away from the right (and I don't mean move left, but move away from the far right),
3. an inability to recognize the inability to compete globally, a nation that has moved from being competetive to one that is consumption based which is the only reason why the country is even important globally because you all like to consume.
4.Face it, you are not the best at very much, hell, I can't even think of anything that you are good at, except for greed, unfettered capitalism, an inability to spread the wealth, and not in a communist manner.
5. Race relations are pathetic, who cares about the poor, they live in the inner city and don't really have anything, heck, who needs health care, who needs education and so on.
6. Good job taking out Saddam, I agreed with that and the fight in Afghanistan, but not having plans for each once they got in there was not too smart.
7. A country that can adapt, I mean an African-American as Prez, that shows progress, even though in the South they still wish they were in the Confederacy, come on southerners, it is the 21st century, get rid of the Stars and Bars (not all southerners by the way, but I would say over 50%, which is freaking scary)
8. A country that people still would love to live in, because when it holds to it's principles, the USA is really a country of opportunity, have gotten away from that in the last 50+ years.

Anyway, I could go on, I have many thoughts, some very disturbing, ha ha ha, but give me your thoughts and add or respond. Either way, if your interested, let the debate begin.

[motiv-8]

Um... Thanks for the constructive criticism? Very, uh, useful generalizations.. from someone who apparently does not live in this country.

[Last Roman]

Um... Thanks for the constructive criticism? Very, uh, useful generalizations.. from someone who apparently does not live in this country.

people from other countries are not allowed to hold opinions now?

[Justice and Mercy]

people from other countries are not allowed to hold opinions now?

Well they obviously can't be expected to make useful generalizations.

[motiv-8]

people from other countries are not allowed to hold opinions now?

Funny how the sentence you quoted has the word 'generalizations' in the first clause, nothing about opinions.

[Justice and Mercy]

Funny how the sentence you quoted has the word 'generalizations' in the first clause, nothing about opinions.

Sounds kinda like an angry high school girlfriend, huh?

[Zephyrus]

Um... Thanks for the constructive criticism? Very, uh, useful generalizations.. from someone who apparently does not live in this country.

Dude, kick his butt with your eloquent word playing!

As for the gun issues: I'll type this important and time tested proof on what happens when you ban weapons. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Damn haterz...I bet gun-lovers are more fun and enjoyable to be around than the uptight, PC gangbangers I encounter in my daily gouging of American tradition that is college. Not to mention less likely to commit a massacre too. For shame!

[Thanatos]

1) Most people are fine. Blame the politicians, not the people.
2) As if other countries don't have this either.
3) That's true.
4) We're the hegemony in the current world, because the USSR collapsed. Anyone who thinks the USA is the best overall is smoking something.
5) Race relations are pathetic? Give me a break, it's only in places like Los Angeles that you have those kinds of problems.
6) Well, I don't agree with Iraq. Never should have went in.
7) So merely electing a black person shows "progress," even if he might not be the best choice? I vote for my policies, not on the skin or gender of a person.
8) Again, blame the leaders. The people are fine.

[Scar Face]

Race relations are pathetic? America elected a black, in Europe you are openly discriminated against if you arent of the same religion/race as the next person. It's a continent with ever increasing social tensions [its not a one way street]. America has pretty ****in good race relations compared to 99% of the globe.

[Justice and Mercy]

1. The country is like a rotten apple. It's shiny and nice on the outside, but on the inside it is rotten.

Are you Canadian?

There's practically no difference.

European?

Think of your country, and then imagine it like ten times better.

2.Too many years of greed, special interest politics, an inability to move away from the right (and I don't mean move left, but move away from the far right),

The only thing holding is back is this socialist infection.

3. an inability to recognize the inability to compete globally, a nation that has moved from being competetive to one that is consumption based which is the only reason why the country is even important globally because you all like to consume.

We're not competitive because the socialists are driving all the smart investors and entrepeneurs away.

It's happening in Europe too.

4.Face it, you are not the best at very much, hell, I can't even think of anything that you are good at, except for greed, unfettered capitalism, an inability to spread the wealth, and not in a communist manner.

Wanna look at the rates of private donation concerning Europeans and Americans?

5. Race relations are pathetic, who cares about the poor, they live in the inner city and don't really have anything, heck, who needs health care, who needs education and so on.

Race relations are pathetic because the Democrats need race to be a central issue.

They've always been the racist party.

7. A country that can adapt, I mean an African-American as Prez, that shows progress, even though in the South they still wish they were in the Confederacy, come on southerners, it is the 21st century, get rid of the Stars and Bars (not all southerners by the way, but I would say over 50%, which is freaking scary)

No, not over 50%. The south is full of plenty of highly educated people, they have more people with degrees than the national average.

8. A country that people still would love to live in, because when it holds to it's principles, the USA is really a country of opportunity, have gotten away from that in the last 50+ years.

More around the 80 years area. That's when the socialist infection starting spreading alarmingly.

[thebull0425]

Your answers say it all, blame socialists, they broke everything. Let's blame the commies, they ruined our country, not our own politicians or leaders. Give me better than what you gave, cuz like the way your country competes globally, you didn't give me much.............wait, I am a sherriff in North Carolina, and an Olympic athlete smoked pot and there are pictures, I better waste my time and investigate.

[danzig]

Um wth does Phelps have to do with your point? Like it or not Phelps did something that is technically illegal, the sheriff looked at it because gasp that is his job and decided not to pursue it. Course what that has to do with anything in this thread who the hell knows....

Just some observations Danzig. I watch a lot of news, and I read a lot and on top of that I can analyze and form opinions. That is all they were, and I am not saying other countries around the world are any better. If you read my post, you'll see that I never said anybody else is any better.

Observations are fine but since you focused on nothing but the negative in your eyes it raises questions on really why you even care. I never understand some people's thing to pick apart another country from the outside, I mean what is the point. I could sit here and pick apart things I dont like with Canada but it would achieve what? Canadians seem content, americans seem content, Europeans seem content (minus current economic trouble) so what does it matter if *I* an american dont like something Europeans like with their society?

[thebull0425]

Just threw that in there for the fun of it. Totally not relevant, just kinda bothers me that they wasted their time on an investigation because of marijuana.

I want to be clear to everyone, I do not think the United States is a bad country, I think that it needs to refocus, and re-energize itself, that is all. I have no doubt that they will come through the current difficulties and be better than they were/are.

[thebull0425]

Justice and Mercy, there is a difference. Far more tolerant society in Canada, and the fact that we are essentially a semi-socialist state, that is very different.

[danzig]

Just threw that in there for the fun of it. Totally not relevant, just kinda bothers me that they wasted their time on an investigation because of marijuana.

Well its not exactly a huge town so they probably actually had the time to do it and whether agree with it or not pot is currently illegal so its not a waste. He looked it and that was it, it is his job after all.

I want to be clear to everyone, I do not think the United States is a bad country, I think that it needs to refocus, and re-energize itself, that is all. I have no doubt that they will come through the current difficulties and be better than they were/are.

Well your point would have been better served if you hadnt generalized or insulted (like you did the south). Things like overconsumption are a no brainer, hell we are well aware of it ourselves and if you had focused on things like that you'd probably be getting less hmm hostile responses. The entire world is going thru a shift right now, not by choice of course so we'll see how it turns out.

[Thanatos]

Your answers say it all, blame socialists, they broke everything. Let's blame the commies, they ruined our country, not our own politicians or leaders. Give me better than what you gave, cuz like the way your country competes globally, you didn't give me much.............wait, I am a sherriff in North Carolina, and an Olympic athlete smoked pot and there are pictures, I better waste my time and investigate.

Except all of us aren't blaming the socialists, we've made it quite clear that we're blaming bad leaders.

Stop generalizing.

[Justice and Mercy]

Let's blame the commies, they ruined our country, not our own politicians or leaders.

Umm, hello? They are the socialists.

Since FDR the country has been going down the (except for the time Reagan was president). Nearly every problem we have can be attributed to ridiculous Congressional spending.

[L'Afrique]

Umm, hello? They are the socialists.

Since FDR the country has been going down the (except for the time Reagan was president). Nearly every problem we have can be attributed to ridiculous Congressional spending.

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Note how it skyrockets under 'fiscal conservatives' and remains flat under 'tax and spend liberals.'

[Admiral Piett]

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Note how it skyrockets under 'fiscal conservatives' and remains flat under 'tax and spend liberals.'

You don't know what a fiscal conservative is. We haven't had a fiscal conservative President since Eisenhower.

And notice that after Nixon takes off us off the Gold standard and when he resigns and Ford takes over is when things start lifting off.

EDIT: Also the reason that the debt increased so much with Reagan is that he cut taxes but expanded a lot of spending. Reagan was NOT a fiscal conservative.

[Scar Face]

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Note how it skyrockets under 'fiscal conservatives' and remains flat under 'tax and spend liberals.'

Notice how it goes up under all of them? You enjoy ignoring your own graph or something? Seriously wtf.