Swedish state media and political assasination

[Pickle_mole]

What do you think about these actions? It seems bad but i dont know how credible this is.

[Adar]

That video is awful. I will list the correct things and the incorrect things.

Correct things

1. A reporter was hired by the Swedish Radio (SR) and infiltrated the Swedendemocrats for 5 months. This was also done at private parties and against minors. Therefor is this infiltration most probably illegal.
2. Swedendemocrats youth leader was the victim of a politically motivated attack in january where he and a a friend had to flee from two attackers armed with knives. This is not the first time he is attacked, it is however the first time it's done with leathal weapons.
3. AFA (Antifacist action) are an extremly dangerous organisation. These guys are no better than Sturm Abteilung (SA) during the 1930s. They have committed fire bomb attacks against atleast 3 established political parties (Centerpartiet, Folkpartiet and Sverigedemokraterna). Members of the organisation also tried to firebomb a McDonalds a few years ago. It is however untrue that the government doesn't do anything about them. SÄPO (security police) are trying to get them and members of AFA are not allowed to join organisations like the swedish homeguard. Our political parties and media are however in my opinion alot more forgiving to AFA than to their nazi counterparts.
4. Expo is a "newspaper" run by people connected to AFA. They are also funded by the swedish government.

Untrue things

1. The claims about the Moderates hatred towards the Sweden democrats. Moderaterna are the only part who's voters seem to be immune to the Swedendemocrats rethoric. The Moderates are the traditional upper class party. The Sweden democrats have openly stated that they consider Social democratic voters to be their main target.
2. The Moderates does not have a substantial control over the state television (SVT) and state radio (SR). The moderates and the right wing alliance won the elections in 2006. The social democrats have prior to this won every elections since WW2 except two. Takeing over the entire media in 3 years is simply impossible.
3. Two of the three parties that have been attacked by AFA are members of the alliance currently governing Sweden. This means that for this conspiracy theory to be true would the alliance sponsor attacks against itself.

I do agree that too many people in Sweden have lost their respect for democracy. But it is not some kind of anarcho-facist conspiracy between our prime minister and AFA. AFA truely went crazy in 2005 or 2006 and are in many ways no longer a true organisation. Anyone who want to "be AFA" can start their own independent local organisation. This is further complicated since they can already use established "legit" networks like socialism.nu and revfront.org to coordinate their actions. Swedens extensive support for youth organisations further complicates this since they are able to open legitimate organisations like a role playing club and use it to fund their activities.

What we are seeing are 100ish hardcore people who think their political ideology is above the law. They then use the existing infrastructure to strike at people whom they view as unacceptable.

Are Sverigedemocraterna this desperate ??
Seriously, conducting this type of campaign will not win them any votes at all.
And the video made it seem like we have no other media.
We got plenty and all of them are not run by the state.
Hell not that many people listen to the state radio and the state TV channel is crap these days.

This video probably isn't made by a swede. It was the Swedish Radio (SR) that did this, not Swedish television (SVT). I really don't see how this video can have anything to do with the Sweden democrats. My guess is that it is some kind of rightwing conservative from a different nation that want to use Sweden for his own ends.

[Cavalier]

I don't think that Sverigedemokraterna is behind this. They are smarter than that.

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

[*]A reporter was hired by the Swedish Radio (SR) and infiltrated the Swedendemocrats for 5 months. This was also done at private parties and against minors. Therefor is this infiltration most probably illegal.

Nothing illegal about infiltrating groups tho.
If it was then reporters would be out of a job.

I really don't see how this video can have anything to do with the Sweden democrats.

Well the whole "vote for sweden democrats" at the end gives the impression that it's made by them

I don't think that Sverigedemokraterna is behind this. They are smarter than that.

Indeed.
As far as I know they have already pretty much secured a seat for the next election unless Moderaterna does something smart.
No need to conduct these sorta "conspiracy" campaign since it doesn't help them.

[Cavalier]

The social democrats has lost major votes now that Mona Sahlin is the leader and they have allied themselves to the reds.

[Adar]

Nothing illegal about infiltrating groups tho.
If it was then reporters would be out of a job.

Article 8 – Right to respect for private and family life 1. Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.
2. There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

She admitted in the Expressen articles that she also had made recordings from private parties...

Well the whole "vote for sweden democrats" at the end gives the impression that it's made by them

I have added a picture at the bottom at the thread. Please try to spot the fault in your logic.

Indeed.
As far as I know they have already pretty much secured a seat for the next election unless Moderaterna does something smart.
No need to conduct these sorta "conspiracy" campaign since it doesn't help them.

I think that Moderaterna and Miljöpartiet are the only parties not directly responsible for the Sverigedemokraterna. All other parties have dived into a murky middle of populism and media appeasment. Moderaterna and Miljöpartiet have done the same thing but they have managed to do so without loosing parts of their voting base to Sverigedemokraterna.

I honestly don't think that Sverigedemokraterna is a particularily bad or evil party. I do however think that their success is built on a decay of the estbalished Swedish political parties.

The social democrats has lost major votes now that Mona Sahlin is the leader and they have allied themselves to the reds.

I agree, that's why I left...

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

Article 8 – Right to respect for private and family life 1. Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.
2. There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

She admitted in the Expressen articles that she also had made recordings from private parties...

Just saying that people have infiltrated political groups for ages.
If they have violated the law then they should get reported, why haven't they ??

I have added a picture at the bottom at the thread. Please try to spot the fault in your logic.

Ehmm where in that post did I say it was made by them ??
I said it gave the impression it was made by them.
Much like adding "this ad is sponsored by John McCain" in many of the Youtube videos we saw during the US election.
Doesn't mean it was sponsored but tries to give the impression that it was and people will believe it was much like people will believe SD is behind this.

I think that Moderaterna and Miljöpartiet are the only parties not directly responsible for the Sverigedemokraterna. All other parties have dived into a murky middle of populism and media appeasment. Moderaterna and Miljöpartiet have done the same thing but they have managed to do so without loosing parts of their voting base to Sverigedemokraterna.

I honestly don't think that Sverigedemokraterna is a particularily bad or evil party. I do however think that their success is built on a decay of the estbalished Swedish political parties.

SD's success depends entirely on the ruling party's actions, in present case Moderaterna.
It's isn't about stealing votes, it's about adding fuel to the fire. The more people get angry, the more votes they get.
The more the ruling party fails on immigrant issues etc(which is SD's really only attraction), the more support SD will get, and this is from both left and right side.
Just look at the last election, the social democrats failed utterly on this issue and thus SD got a huge swing putting them on the established party list.
So far Moderaterna hasn't done anything. The riots in Rosengård is the type of thing that SD loves and Moderaterna did nothing and won't do anything.
They just throw more money into this failed project and from a Malmö point of view we are starting to get damn sick of it.
Don't be surprised if social democrats and moderaterna will lose votes in the next local election over this, votes that will go to SD.

The social democrats has lost major votes now that Mona Sahlin is the leader and they have allied themselves to the reds.

Ughh don't get me started on her.
She has been disgraced what, 2 times already and they pick her as a leader ??
If Anna Lindh was still alive, she would have been the perfect leader and would have earned my vote without a doubt.