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    WASHINGTON — The Obama administration, siding with the Bush White House, contended Friday that detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights.
    In a two-sentence court filing, the Justice Department said it agreed that detainees at Bagram Airfield cannot use U.S. courts to challenge their detention. The filing shocked human rights attorneys.
    "The hope we all had in President Obama to lead us on a different path has not turned out as we'd hoped," said Tina Monshipour Foster, a human rights attorney representing a detainee at the Bagram Airfield. "We all expected better."
    The Supreme Court last summer gave al-Qaida and Taliban suspects held at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the right to challenge their detention. With about 600 detainees at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan and thousands more held in Iraq, courts are grappling with whether they, too, can sue to be released.
    Three months after the Supreme Court's ruling on Guantanamo Bay, four Afghan citizens being detained at Bagram tried to challenge their detentions in U.S. District Court in Washington. Court filings alleged that the U.S. military had held them without charges, repeatedly interrogating them without any means to contact an attorney. Their petition was filed by relatives on their behalf since they had no way of getting access to the legal system.
    The military has determined that all the detainees at Bagram are "enemy combatants." The Bush administration said in a response to the petition last year that the enemy combatant status of the Bagram detainees is reviewed every six months, taking into consideration classified intelligence and testimony from those involved in their capture and interrogation.
    After Barack Obama took office, a federal judge in Washington gave the new administration a month to decide whether it wanted to stand by Bush's legal argument. Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd says the filing speaks for itself.
    "They've now embraced the Bush policy that you can create prisons outside the law," said Jonathan Hafetz, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union who has represented several detainees.
    The Justice Department argues that Bagram is different from Guantanamo Bay because it is in an overseas war zone and the prisoners there are being held as part of a military action. The government argues that releasing enemy combatants into the Afghan war zone, or even diverting U.S. personnel there to consider their legal cases, could threaten security.
    The government also said if the Bagram detainees got access to the courts, it would allow all foreigners captured by the United States in conflicts worldwide to do the same.
    It's not the first time that the Obama administration has used a Bush administration legal argument after promising to review it. Last week, Attorney General Eric Holder announced a review of every court case in which the Bush administration invoked the state secrets privilege, a separate legal tool it used to have lawsuits thrown out rather than reveal secrets.
    The same day, however, Justice Department attorney Douglas Letter cited that privilege in asking an appeals court to uphold dismissal of a suit accusing a Boeing Co. subsidiary of illegally helping the CIA fly suspected terrorists to allied foreign nations that tortured them.
    Letter said that Obama officials approved his argument.
    HA! So much for "Change". LOL
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    Poor Obama, he went to Washington to change it and Washington changed him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Skinna View Post
    Poor Obama, he went to Washington to change it and Washington changed him.
    Yeah no kidding.


    I kind of feel sorry for Obama...... actually.... wait, no I don't.

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    A politician lied?! *gasp*

    Seriously though, he is a politician, and that means there is a 90% chance he has or will lie to his constituents. I don't see why it is that novel of a concept.

    Take it easy,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Skinna View Post
    Poor Obama, he went to Washington to change it and Washington changed him.
    You were simply deceived by the TV-ad-man. He was that way even before.

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    HA! So much for "Change". LOL
    No-bama!

    Where is this vaunted change? I don't see any other than that stimulus bill...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Skinna View Post
    Poor Obama, he went to Washington to change it and Washington changed him.
    You don't get changed in a month, what the hell. Obama never had any true convictions on the matter. Not that im complaining, because I happen to agree with Obama on this decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    You don't get changed in a month, what the hell. Obama never had any true convictions on the matter. Not that im complaining, because I happen to agree with Obama on this decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    You don't get changed in a month, what the hell. Obama never had any true convictions on the matter. Not that im complaining, because I happen to agree with Obama on this decision.
    Technically you do. If obama really wanted to change Washington he'd of singed all of his bills/plans that he wanted to do right when he got into office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadratus View Post
    Technically you do. If obama really wanted to change Washington he'd of singed all of his bills/plans that he wanted to do right when he got into office.
    As I said, washington didn't "change" him, because his claims of reforming washington, and all that crap was disingenuous. Surprise everyone, Obama was ALWAYS a politician who was willing to lie and go back on what they say. It's not a new character development...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadratus View Post
    Technically you do. If obama really wanted to change Washington he'd of singed all of his bills/plans that he wanted to do right when he got into office.
    You can't change a nation like that. You give the President too much credit.

    Although I do agree that his changes have been too little.
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    Well he is the messiah, and he was treated like one so he can't make mistakes and is always truthful to his word; or at least that's what his supporters believe.


    sigh

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    When did he ever promise to close Bagram?
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    Glorius! Now you all see the truth...this is a great day for me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nce_wht_guy View Post
    When did he ever promise to close Bagram?
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    Good job Obama, I am actually starting to like this guy more and more.





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    This is a good thing. I always like Obama when he "acts like Bush."

    I wonder, if he keeps this up, will he be nicknamed "Obusha?"

    I'd rather have an Obusha in office, thank you very much. Or even a so called "McBush."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Artorius Maximus View Post
    This is a good thing. I always like Obama when he "acts like Bush."

    I wonder, if he keeps this up, will he be nicknamed "Obusha?"
    Ohhhhh OBUSHA!!

    Sounds Japanese to me...lol
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    No do they mean no constitutional rights or no human rights? Two very different thing. Because obviously, anyone who is not a citizen of the US is not protected the Constitution.
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    Edit: hmm seems that I was mistaken... on "enemy combatants" at least when it comes to the interpretation of the term in the USA, even though the originally meaning was
    "Any person in an armed conflict who could be properly detained under the laws and customs of war."
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