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    This past week, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown found himself answering questions about a terrorist suspect held at the detention facility in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. The detainee, Binyam Mohamed, has become something of a martyr in Brown's nation. Daily press reports recount the horrible torture he allegedly endured while in US, Moroccan, and Pakistani custody. According to these accounts, the British government has refused to release evidence demonstrating that American and British intelligence officials were complicit in, if not culpable for, Mohamed's abuse.

    The outrage over Mohamed's detention was fanned earlier this month when the British High Court denied a petition seeking the release of classified documents detailing his case. The petition had been filed by news outlets such as the New York Times and the Associated Press, acting at the urging of Mohamed's civilian attorney and human rights groups. All of these parties believe that the classified US intelligence documents, which were shared with the British government, verify Mohamed's allegations of torture. Two judges from the High Court denied the petition, however, citing a threat by US authorities to cut off vital intelligence cooperation if the United Kingdom released the classified documents without American acquiescence.

    This, in turn, prompted widespread claims of a cover up. The controversy became so intense that Prime Minister Brown had to publicly refute the charge. "I assure you that we have done everything by the law," Brown said during a news conference at Downing Street on February 18. "We operate our intelligence services in the same way as every country around the world operates their intelligence services - that there's a mutual sharing of information based on trust. When that trust is disrupted or removed, then the services cannot work in the way that they want to work."

    "I can assure you there is no cover up whatsoever," Brown insisted.

    But the imbroglio did not end there. Press accounts have highlighted the British government's desire to have Mohamed turned over to British custody as soon as possible. And Mohamed's vocal supporters, with their demonstrations in the streets of London, will ensure that his story is told over and over again in the British press until he is released.

    This public pressure will likely have an effect across the Atlantic. The Obama administration is currently reviewing the files on all of the remaining detainees in order to determine what to do with them--try them, release them, transfer them, or continue holding them without trial. This review is expected to take some time, but President Obama, who has ordered Guantánamo shuttered within one year of his taking office, is being called on to intervene in Mohamed's case. Given the public outcry and the pressure from British authorities, Binyam Mohamed may be one of the first detainees whose destiny the new administration will decide.



    So, who is Binyam Mohamed? And why did the Bush administration have him detained? Answering these questions is at least as important as investigating Mohamed's treatment. Yet, the basics of his story have been obscured by the controversy. While Mohamed's allegations of abuse are repeated verbatim by a willing press, the US government's allegations and evidence against Mohamed are often ignored or downplayed.

    The gravity of the charges against Mohamed is rarely reported in the media.


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    Some press reports have repeated the claim that Mohamed went to Afghanistan before the September 11 attacks for the purpose of kicking his drug habit. This is a flimsy alibi, to say the least. Why would anyone go to the heroin capital of the world to get away from drugs?

    In fact, there is no doubt that Mohamed traveled to Afghanistan in June 2001 to receive training in an al Qaeda camp. Mohamed admitted this to the personal representative assigned to handle his case at Guantánamo. Mohamed did not testify at his hearing at Guantánamo, but his personal representative submitted a memo on his behalf.

    The memo indicates that Mohamed "admitted items 3A1-4 on the UNCLASS summary of evidence." That is a reference to the unclassified summary-of-evidence memo that was prepared by the US government for Mohamed's case.

    The items Mohamed admitted include the following:
    1. The detainee is an Ethiopian who lived in the United States from 1992 to 1994, and in London, United Kingdom, until he departed for Pakistan in 2001.

    2. The detainee arrived in Islamabad, Pakistan, in June 2001, and traveled to the al Farouq training camp in Afghanistan, to receive paramilitary training.

    3. At the al Farouq camp, the detainee received 40 days of training in light arms handling, explosives, and principles of topography.


    4. The detainee was taught to falsify documents, and received instruction from a senior al Qaeda operative on how to encode telephone numbers before passing them to another individual.

    At a minimum, therefore, we know that Mohamed has admitted being an al Qaeda-trained operative.


    Mohamed claims that he was not going to use his skills against America. Mohamed told his personal representative that "he went for training to fight in Chechnya, which was not illegal." In 2005, Mohamed's lawyer echoed this explanation in an interview with CNN. "He wanted to see the Taliban with his own eyes," Mohamed's lawyer claimed. "I am not saying he never went to any Islamic camp," the lawyer conceded, but he "didn't go to any camp to blow up Americans."

    There are obvious problems with this quasi-denial.

    The al Farouq training camp was responsible for training numerous al Qaeda operatives, including some of the September 11 hijackers. Al Qaeda used the al Farouq camp to identify especially promising recruits who could take on sensitive missions. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, this is what happened with members of al Qaeda's infamous Hamburg cell. Some of the future 9/11 suicide pilots also first expressed an interest in fighting in Chechnya, but ended up being assigned a mission inside the United States. This is what the US government, or at least the parts of it that investigated Mohamed's al Qaeda ties, believes happened to Mohamed.

    In the unclassified files produced at Guantánamo, as well as an indictment issued by a military commission, the Department of Defense and other US agencies have outlined what they think happened during Binyam Mohamed's time in Afghanistan and then Pakistan.

    According to the US government's allegations, Osama bin Laden visited the al Farouq camp "several times" after Mohamed arrived there in the summer of 2001. The terror master "lectured Binyam Mohamed and other trainees about the importance of conducting operations against the United States." Bin Laden explained that "something big is going to happen in the future" and the new recruits should get ready for an impending event.

    From al Farouq, Mohamed allegedly received additional training at a "city warfare course" in Kabul and then moved to the front lines in Bagram "to experience fighting between the Taliban and the Northern Alliance." He then returned to Kabul, where the government claims he attended an explosives training camp alongside Richard Reid, the infamous shoe bomber.

    Mohamed was then reportedly introduced to top al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah. By early 2002, the two were traveling between al Qaeda safehouses. The US government alleges that Mohamed then met Jose Padilla and two other plotters, both of whom are currently detained at Guantánamo, at a madrassa. Zubaydah and another top al Qaeda lieutenant, Abdul Hadi al Iraqi, allegedly directed the four of them "to receive training on building remote-controlled detonation devices for explosives."

    At some point, Padilla and Mohamed traveled to a guesthouse in Lahore, Pakistan, where they "reviewed instructions on a computer ... on how to make an improvised 'dirty bomb.'" To the extent that the allegations against Mohamed have gotten any real press, it is this one that has garnered the attention. Media accounts have often highlighted the fact that Padilla and Mohamed were once thought to be plotting a "dirty bomb" attack, but that the allegation was dropped, making it seem as if they were not really planning a strike on American soil.

    Indeed, all of the charges against Mohamed were dropped last year at Guantánamo. But this does not mean that he is innocent. As some press accounts have noted, the charges were most likely dropped for procedural reasons and because of the controversy surrounding his detention. According to US government files, Padilla and Mohamed were considering a variety of attack scenarios.

    Zubaydah, Padilla, and Mohamed allegedly discussed the feasibility of the "dirty bomb plot." But Zubaydah moved on to the possibility of "blowing up gas tankers and spraying people with cyanide in nightclubs." Zubaydah, according to the government, stressed that the purpose of these attacks would be to help "free the prisoners in Cuba." That is, Zubaydah wanted to use terrorist attacks to force the US government to free the detainees at Guantánamo.

    According to the summary-of-evidence memo prepared for Mohamed's combatant status review tribunal at Guantánamo, Mohamed was an active participant in the plotting. He proposed "the idea of attacking subway trains in the United States." But al Qaeda's military chief, Saif al Adel, and the purported 9/11 mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM), had a different idea. Al Adel and KSM allegedly told Binyam that he and Padilla would target "high-rise apartment buildings that utilized natural gas for its heat and also targeting gas stations." Padilla and Mohamed were supposed to rent an apartment and use the building's natural gas "to detonate an explosion that would collapse all of the floors above."

    It may have been this "apartment building" plot that Mohamed and Padilla were en route to the United States to execute when they were apprehended. In early April 2002, KSM allegedly gave Mohamed $6,000 and Padilla $10,000 to fly to the United States. They were both detained at the airport in Karachi on April 4. Mohamed was arrested with a forged passport, but released. KSM arranged for Mohamed to travel on a different forged passport, but he was arrested once again on April 10. Padilla was released and made it all the way to Chicago before being arrested once again.

    The gravity of the charges against Mohamed is rarely reported in the media. The Bush administration and US intelligence officials believed he was part of al Qaeda's attempted second wave of attacks on US soil.

    Critics charge that all of the more substantial allegations against Mohamed were trumped up, or the result of false confessions extracted during torture. But look again at the allegations. All but two of Mohamed's co-conspirators are in US custody. High-value detainees such as KSM, Zubaydah, and Abdul Hadi al Iraqi are all at Guantánamo, as are two other suspects whom Mohamed met during his travels through Afghanistan and Pakistan. Jose Padilla and Richard Reid have been convicted of terrorism-related charges and are serving time in the US Only Saif al Adel, al Qaeda's military chief who is living in Iran, and Osama bin Laden are not in US custody.

    The point is that US authorities should have been able to figure out with a reasonable degree of certainty just what Binyam Mohamed was up to at the time of his capture. This is true even though some of his co-conspirators were subjected to "enhanced interrogation" techniques such as waterboarding, which is understandably controversial.

    Based on the publicly available testimony from senior intelligence officials, such as former director of Central Intelligence George Tenet, it is clear senior terrorists such KSM and Zubaydah gave up actionable intelligence during their interrogations. In all likelihood, Binyam Mohamed's mission is something they discussed.

    None of this is intended to diminish the seriousness of the abuse that has been alleged. If Binyam Mohamed was subjected to the types of treatment he and his lawyers claim while under rendition in Morocco and elsewhere, then he was tortured. Mohamed claims, for example, that he was cut with a scalpel in sensitive areas of his body. Such practices make waterboarding look rather tame and could not possibly have been necessary to make Mohamed talk.

    However, we cannot now verify the more fantastic claims that Mohamed makes about his time in custody. And even if he were subjected to deplorable treatment, that would not make him an innocent who poses no threat. There are good reasons to believe that when captured he was en route to the United States to kill Americans. Before the Obama administration agrees to send him to Britain, it should have that firmly in mind.



    So, who of you, after reading the evidence against him, which is always conveniently left out in press reports, feels comfortable with having this man walk on the same streets you walk?

    This man simply said the word 'torture', and now he will soon be back in British custody. Where it is not outside the realm of possibility, he is released to live among the population.
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    If he is guilty then try him in court. If the law decides he is guilty then he is guilty. If he isn't well guess he buys the house next to yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    If he is guilty then try him in court. If the law decides he is guilty then he is guilty. If he isn't well guess he buys the house next to yours.
    Or we can put a bullet between his eyes. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    Or we can put a bullet between his eyes. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
    Advocating murder are we? On what basis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Advocating murder are we? On what basis?
    Justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    Justice.
    Murder cannot be just. If he's found innocent, killing him would be unjust, because hey! He is innocent.

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    I think we should just try the guy and either punish him or let him go. That way there is no room for people to complain about his treatment. But seriously, torturing someone like that even if they have been proven guilty is way messed up. It makes us just as bad as the terrorists, which is not the preferred outcome of this conflict. They should quit pussyfooting around and actually put him on trial and resolve his case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    Or we can put a bullet between his eyes. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
    Sure. Next time one of the western journalists come to any country in the ME they can be taken away and killed because there can be blame he or she was snooping around.

    Presto Justice!
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    The US dropped the terror charges last October. The dirty bomb plot is widely known to have been made up, but I suppose that having his genitals slashed by a razor may have persuaded Mohamed otherwise. I understand that Mr Mohamed was told unofficially in December that he was to be freed after the US administration of George Bush left office. Rather smacks of him being a political prisoner, rather than a wanted terrorist.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...y-1627917.html

    But if I was to humour the OP and his charge sheet, and bearing in mind what I would call the the "Yorkshireman Doctrine" (anyone who visits Afghanistan/NorthWest Frontier and apparently undertakes weapons training is fair game), one has to ask why after over 4 years the man had not been brought to trial.

    Under the law a person is not presumed guilty of anything until the due process is followed, even OJ. Tinpot dictatorships go through the motions so it is shameful that a democratic nation resorts to kidnap, false imprisonment and delegated torture, whatever the reason. the man was arrested in Pakistan for traveling without a passport. why was he not extradited from Pakistan, or sent to blighty and lawfully extradited from there. No the shoe dodging regime stole him away to Morocco, a country , which as far as I know has no grievance with the man, so that someone could beat the crap out of him.

    It is unfortunate that the shoe-dodging regime set up this extra-judicial, and undeniably illegal, process without given any thought to what might happen if a future POTUS decided to re-impose the rule of law and the effect it would have on it's allies.

    Now we are saddled with this sod and M15 will be left picking up the pieces once the torture allegations get a hearing, all thanks to the inept way this man was handled.

    Edit- read this today with my Big Mac and fries.

    A quote with elegantly sums up the case for the defence

    "According to his lawyer, Clive Stafford Smith, Mohamed travelled to Afghanistan in 2001, attracted by the Taliban's drug-free way of life*. War soon drove him out of Afghanistan and to Karachi, from where he sought to return to Britain. But, as a refugee, he lacked a proper passport and was using a friend's, which led to his apprehension at the airport. Stafford Smith says the Pakistanis turned him over to the FBI, who were obsessed at the time with the possibility of an al-Qaida nuclear attack. After repeated beatings and hanging by the wrists, Mohamed "confessed" to having read an online article on how to make an H-bomb, insisting to his interrogators that it was a "joke"."

    Puts some perspective on the trumped up dirty bomb charges.


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/feb/21/barbara-ehrenreich-guantanamo



    * I won't criticise anyone invoking Yorkshireman's doctrine here.
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    I cant even begin to wrap my mind around your post.

    The charges are outlined. The man admitted to training at AQ camps. Your ability to simply throw all of that out and bring up allegations of torture as an arguement is astounding.

    Question still remains, tortured or not, do you want this jerkoff walking your streets?



    Where does this mentality come from that allows people to have compassion for people who would likely butcher you on tape? Dont you realize they are counting on that?

    Or is it just based on some teenage angst you have against the US that allows you to be so damned naive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarnabyJones View Post
    I cant even begin to wrap my mind around your post.

    The charges are outlined. The man admitted to training at AQ camps. Your ability to simply throw all of that out and bring up allegations of torture as an arguement is astounding.

    Question still remains, tortured or not, do you want this jerkoff walking your streets?



    Where does this mentality come from that allows people to have compassion for people who would likely butcher you on tape? Dont you realize they are counting on that?

    Or is it just based on some teenage angst you have against the US that allows you to be so damned naive?
    Do you have proof, full evidence that he did such? Do you have un-biased non-US reports from government agencies regarding that? No? Then i guess this jerkoff walks the streets amongst you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarnabyJones View Post
    I cant even begin to wrap my mind around your post.

    The charges are outlined. The man admitted to training at AQ camps. Your ability to simply throw all of that out and bring up allegations of torture as an arguement is astounding.

    Question still remains, tortured or not, do you want this jerkoff walking your streets?



    Where does this mentality come from that allows people to have compassion for people who would likely butcher you on tape? Dont you realize they are counting on that?

    Or is it just based on some teenage angst you have against the US that allows you to be so damned naive?
    What kind of mentality allows your country to reintroduce medieval style toture. We didn't bring the Soviet empire down, only to adopt a Soviet style government did we?

    Shame you could not wrap your mind round my post. I must admit I had difficult in figuring out how a British citizen arrested in Pakistan and wanted in the USA could somehow end up in Morocco. I can only guess that a residual sense of shame prevented the shoe-dodging regime from slashing peoples nuts within US borders.

    The charges were dropped. So whatever he admitted to, even the US authorities decided that the evidence they had was either useless or tainted. You did not mention in your thread that the charges were dropped. Why is that?

    The nuclear terror charge is ridiculous seeing that it was based on him reading a humorous article written many years ago by a food critic.

    Until new charges are brought in he is a suspect, nothing more. The only thing we can say he was guilty of is traveling without a passport and a complete lack of common sense. If there is a case to answer, he should be put on trial. Otherwise sensible people will presume that the US did a Harold and Kumar with this one, without the hilarious happy ending. As it is he will face the usual restrictions placed on terror suspects until he faces charges or a judicial review takes place.

    The immediate danger to the British security now is that the Judiciary may now have the means to hold the security services and the government into account for the mess your country caused. It will be messy.


    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    He's a proven enemy, and a proven wanna be partisan merc. Captured enemies should be locked up until the end of a conflict. In this case that may be a very long time.
    er.. He hasn't been tried, in fact all charges against him are dropped. where's the proof man, or is this just another copy/paste job?
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    He's a proven enemy, and a proven wanna be partisan merc. Captured enemies should be locked up until the end of a conflict. In this case that may be a very long time.

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    Question still remains, tortured or not, do you want this jerkoff walking your streets?
    I don't like to see this guy on the streets again. All the more reason it should have been played by the book. Whether he is tortured or not, is hard to verify. Who should I believe? Not the intelligence agencies, who have been all to happy to get down to the dirty business. And I don't believe him either.
    There are no innocent trips to training camps.

    The rendition programme and torture blew up the West's credibility (Europe has been very compliant in it as well). So in the end you end up in controversies like these, and some if them real killers let of the hook because of it. Thats why we have the rule of law, and all the instruments to search, arrest and convict people like him. Failing intelligence agencies are a far bigger problem than the rules of law blocking adequate measures against terrorist groups.
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    This past week, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown found himself answering questions about a terrorist suspect held at the detention facility in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. The detainee, Binyam Mohamed, has become something of a martyr in Brown's nation. Daily press reports recount the horrible torture he allegedly endured while in US, Moroccan, and Pakistani custody. According to these accounts, the British government has refused to release evidence demonstrating that American and British intelligence officials were complicit in, if not culpable for, Mohamed's abuse.

    The outrage over Mohamed's detention was fanned earlier this month when the British High Court denied a petition seeking the release of classified documents detailing his case. The petition had been filed by news outlets such as the New York Times and the Associated Press, acting at the urging of Mohamed's civilian attorney and human rights groups. All of these parties believe that the classified US intelligence documents, which were shared with the British government, verify Mohamed's allegations of torture. Two judges from the High Court denied the petition, however, citing a threat by US authorities to cut off vital intelligence cooperation if the United Kingdom released the classified documents without American acquiescence.

    This, in turn, prompted widespread claims of a cover up. The controversy became so intense that Prime Minister Brown had to publicly refute the charge. "I assure you that we have done everything by the law," Brown said during a news conference at Downing Street on February 18. "We operate our intelligence services in the same way as every country around the world operates their intelligence services - that there's a mutual sharing of information based on trust. When that trust is disrupted or removed, then the services cannot work in the way that they want to work."

    "I can assure you there is no cover up whatsoever," Brown insisted.

    But the imbroglio did not end there. Press accounts have highlighted the British government's desire to have Mohamed turned over to British custody as soon as possible. And Mohamed's vocal supporters, with their demonstrations in the streets of London, will ensure that his story is told over and over again in the British press until he is released.

    This public pressure will likely have an effect across the Atlantic. The Obama administration is currently reviewing the files on all of the remaining detainees in order to determine what to do with them--try them, release them, transfer them, or continue holding them without trial. This review is expected to take some time, but President Obama, who has ordered Guantánamo shuttered within one year of his taking office, is being called on to intervene in Mohamed's case. Given the public outcry and the pressure from British authorities, Binyam Mohamed may be one of the first detainees whose destiny the new administration will decide.



    So, who is Binyam Mohamed? And why did the Bush administration have him detained? Answering these questions is at least as important as investigating Mohamed's treatment. Yet, the basics of his story have been obscured by the controversy. While Mohamed's allegations of abuse are repeated verbatim by a willing press, the US government's allegations and evidence against Mohamed are often ignored or downplayed.

    The gravity of the charges against Mohamed is rarely reported in the media.


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    Some press reports have repeated the claim that Mohamed went to Afghanistan before the September 11 attacks for the purpose of kicking his drug habit. This is a flimsy alibi, to say the least. Why would anyone go to the heroin capital of the world to get away from drugs?

    In fact, there is no doubt that Mohamed traveled to Afghanistan in June 2001 to receive training in an al Qaeda camp. Mohamed admitted this to the personal representative assigned to handle his case at Guantánamo. Mohamed did not testify at his hearing at Guantánamo, but his personal representative submitted a memo on his behalf.

    The memo indicates that Mohamed "admitted items 3A1-4 on the UNCLASS summary of evidence." That is a reference to the unclassified summary-of-evidence memo that was prepared by the US government for Mohamed's case.

    The items Mohamed admitted include the following:
    1. The detainee is an Ethiopian who lived in the United States from 1992 to 1994, and in London, United Kingdom, until he departed for Pakistan in 2001.

    2. The detainee arrived in Islamabad, Pakistan, in June 2001, and traveled to the al Farouq training camp in Afghanistan, to receive paramilitary training.

    3. At the al Farouq camp, the detainee received 40 days of training in light arms handling, explosives, and principles of topography.


    4. The detainee was taught to falsify documents, and received instruction from a senior al Qaeda operative on how to encode telephone numbers before passing them to another individual.

    At a minimum, therefore, we know that Mohamed has admitted being an al Qaeda-trained operative.


    Mohamed claims that he was not going to use his skills against America. Mohamed told his personal representative that "he went for training to fight in Chechnya, which was not illegal." In 2005, Mohamed's lawyer echoed this explanation in an interview with CNN. "He wanted to see the Taliban with his own eyes," Mohamed's lawyer claimed. "I am not saying he never went to any Islamic camp," the lawyer conceded, but he "didn't go to any camp to blow up Americans."

    There are obvious problems with this quasi-denial.

    The al Farouq training camp was responsible for training numerous al Qaeda operatives, including some of the September 11 hijackers. Al Qaeda used the al Farouq camp to identify especially promising recruits who could take on sensitive missions. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, this is what happened with members of al Qaeda's infamous Hamburg cell. Some of the future 9/11 suicide pilots also first expressed an interest in fighting in Chechnya, but ended up being assigned a mission inside the United States. This is what the US government, or at least the parts of it that investigated Mohamed's al Qaeda ties, believes happened to Mohamed.

    In the unclassified files produced at Guantánamo, as well as an indictment issued by a military commission, the Department of Defense and other US agencies have outlined what they think happened during Binyam Mohamed's time in Afghanistan and then Pakistan.

    According to the US government's allegations, Osama bin Laden visited the al Farouq camp "several times" after Mohamed arrived there in the summer of 2001. The terror master "lectured Binyam Mohamed and other trainees about the importance of conducting operations against the United States." Bin Laden explained that "something big is going to happen in the future" and the new recruits should get ready for an impending event.

    From al Farouq, Mohamed allegedly received additional training at a "city warfare course" in Kabul and then moved to the front lines in Bagram "to experience fighting between the Taliban and the Northern Alliance." He then returned to Kabul, where the government claims he attended an explosives training camp alongside Richard Reid, the infamous shoe bomber.

    Mohamed was then reportedly introduced to top al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah. By early 2002, the two were traveling between al Qaeda safehouses. The US government alleges that Mohamed then met Jose Padilla and two other plotters, both of whom are currently detained at Guantánamo, at a madrassa. Zubaydah and another top al Qaeda lieutenant, Abdul Hadi al Iraqi, allegedly directed the four of them "to receive training on building remote-controlled detonation devices for explosives."

    At some point, Padilla and Mohamed traveled to a guesthouse in Lahore, Pakistan, where they "reviewed instructions on a computer ... on how to make an improvised 'dirty bomb.'" To the extent that the allegations against Mohamed have gotten any real press, it is this one that has garnered the attention. Media accounts have often highlighted the fact that Padilla and Mohamed were once thought to be plotting a "dirty bomb" attack, but that the allegation was dropped, making it seem as if they were not really planning a strike on American soil.

    Indeed, all of the charges against Mohamed were dropped last year at Guantánamo. But this does not mean that he is innocent. As some press accounts have noted, the charges were most likely dropped for procedural reasons and because of the controversy surrounding his detention. According to US government files, Padilla and Mohamed were considering a variety of attack scenarios.

    Zubaydah, Padilla, and Mohamed allegedly discussed the feasibility of the "dirty bomb plot." But Zubaydah moved on to the possibility of "blowing up gas tankers and spraying people with cyanide in nightclubs." Zubaydah, according to the government, stressed that the purpose of these attacks would be to help "free the prisoners in Cuba." That is, Zubaydah wanted to use terrorist attacks to force the US government to free the detainees at Guantánamo.

    According to the summary-of-evidence memo prepared for Mohamed's combatant status review tribunal at Guantánamo, Mohamed was an active participant in the plotting. He proposed "the idea of attacking subway trains in the United States." But al Qaeda's military chief, Saif al Adel, and the purported 9/11 mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM), had a different idea. Al Adel and KSM allegedly told Binyam that he and Padilla would target "high-rise apartment buildings that utilized natural gas for its heat and also targeting gas stations." Padilla and Mohamed were supposed to rent an apartment and use the building's natural gas "to detonate an explosion that would collapse all of the floors above."

    It may have been this "apartment building" plot that Mohamed and Padilla were en route to the United States to execute when they were apprehended. In early April 2002, KSM allegedly gave Mohamed $6,000 and Padilla $10,000 to fly to the United States. They were both detained at the airport in Karachi on April 4. Mohamed was arrested with a forged passport, but released. KSM arranged for Mohamed to travel on a different forged passport, but he was arrested once again on April 10. Padilla was released and made it all the way to Chicago before being arrested once again.

    The gravity of the charges against Mohamed is rarely reported in the media. The Bush administration and US intelligence officials believed he was part of al Qaeda's attempted second wave of attacks on US soil.

    Critics charge that all of the more substantial allegations against Mohamed were trumped up, or the result of false confessions extracted during torture. But look again at the allegations. All but two of Mohamed's co-conspirators are in US custody. High-value detainees such as KSM, Zubaydah, and Abdul Hadi al Iraqi are all at Guantánamo, as are two other suspects whom Mohamed met during his travels through Afghanistan and Pakistan. Jose Padilla and Richard Reid have been convicted of terrorism-related charges and are serving time in the US Only Saif al Adel, al Qaeda's military chief who is living in Iran, and Osama bin Laden are not in US custody.

    The point is that US authorities should have been able to figure out with a reasonable degree of certainty just what Binyam Mohamed was up to at the time of his capture. This is true even though some of his co-conspirators were subjected to "enhanced interrogation" techniques such as waterboarding, which is understandably controversial.

    Based on the publicly available testimony from senior intelligence officials, such as former director of Central Intelligence George Tenet, it is clear senior terrorists such KSM and Zubaydah gave up actionable intelligence during their interrogations. In all likelihood, Binyam Mohamed's mission is something they discussed.

    None of this is intended to diminish the seriousness of the abuse that has been alleged. If Binyam Mohamed was subjected to the types of treatment he and his lawyers claim while under rendition in Morocco and elsewhere, then he was tortured. Mohamed claims, for example, that he was cut with a scalpel in sensitive areas of his body. Such practices make waterboarding look rather tame and could not possibly have been necessary to make Mohamed talk.

    However, we cannot now verify the more fantastic claims that Mohamed makes about his time in custody. And even if he were subjected to deplorable treatment, that would not make him an innocent who poses no threat. There are good reasons to believe that when captured he was en route to the United States to kill Americans. Before the Obama administration agrees to send him to Britain, it should have that firmly in mind.



    So, who of you, after reading the evidence against him, which is always conveniently left out in press reports, feels comfortable with having this man walk on the same streets you walk?

    This man simply said the word 'torture', and now he will soon be back in British custody. Where it is not outside the realm of possibility, he is released to live among the population.

    You have completely missed the point. This man could be charged of whatever you can imagine, and it would still be against the laws of the United Kingdom to torture him and refuse him proper judicial procedure.

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    the right thing to do would be to make a trial for this men, and if proved, as it seems, that he trained in Al Qaida camps, he should be locked under terrorism charges.
    To me the Al Qaida Trainee=risk of terrorist acts equation seems reasonable.

    On the issue of torture i should only say that torture isn't just wrong, it's also usually ineffective to gather intelligence, and it should never be used by western states, its damage on our credibility is greater than the dubious benefits in intelligence gathering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antares24 View Post
    the right thing to do would be to make a trial for this men, and if proved, as it seems, that he trained in Al Qaida camps, he should be locked under terrorism charges.
    To me the Al Qaida Trainee=risk of terrorist acts equation seems reasonable.
    I think the right thing to do would be pump Celine Dion music into his cell 24/7 and provide him with a rope, an exposed rafter and a chair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacifist Hummingbird View Post
    I think the right thing to do would be pump Celine Dion music into his cell 24/7 and provide him with a rope, an exposed rafter and a chair.
    Because he's obviously had a trial which means we can justifiably do that...
    And even if he had had a trial.

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    Why does the legality of an act change whether its righteous or not?
    It doesn't conflict with our legal system, and our legal system is the codification of our morals. As our morals change so do our laws; this is why the death penalty is not used in most US states.

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    The last place anyone should look for justice is in the law.

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