Trade

[Sargon_of_Akkad]

How is trade calculated? Do you make more by trading with other faction's cities than with your own?

[Santiago de Pola]

How is trade calculated? Do you make more by trading with other faction's cities than with your own?

That kinda interests me too..and also do trade agreements bring in any cash if you're not neighboring the faction? :hmmm:

[kosmosje1]

I generally find that I develop my cities considerably better than my neighbours, so trading with my own cities is always better...

[Sargon_of_Akkad]

I generally find that I develop my cities considerably better than my neighbours, so trading with my own cities is always better...

Really? I always find every castle or city I capture is way more advanced than one I started with.

I'd also be interested in knowing whether you get "passive" trade with countries far away from you.

[moosey]

i think the way trade works is that every resource has a base value (check the file on resources, they should all have a number), then this value is multiplied by the modifiers eg +10% for a tier 1 market and 10% for having a road to another province, then you also factor in the other provinces infrastructure and resources so if they have roads and markets too you also get a bonus but not as high, same applies to the resources in that region.

A sea trade link seems to multiply the value by 2 or three for a single destination per number of trading fleet.

From what i can gather, trade will be open to any neighbouring region which isnt at war with you so in this respect trade agreements are not that important although possibly without you lose a certain percentage of the possible income. I have noticed that merchants make more money from resources in friendly lands than rebel or at war lands as well.

Im sorry i cant bring any specifics but this to me seems the basic outline of the trade system, there is no trade between cities not connected by a border or a sea and ports.

Generally, cities will make more money off trade than castles due to markets, banks, etc... better roads and ports will also increase it, coastal provinces will almost always be more profitable than inland ones (unless that inland province has an insane amount of connections and resources).

Single province islands get very little income early on until they get a port so these and inland areas without resources are prime castle territory while coastal areas with several recources should have a city.

I hope this helped

[Pan_lotr]

that was very helpfull moosey
Do the merchants effect the income of a city?

[Viscule]

that was very helpfull moosey
Do the merchants effect the income of a city?

No. But they affect your overall income.

[Tacitursa]

Trade rights with factions out of your reach is useless and has no effect.

England having trade rights with mongols for instance. You only need trade rights with the factions closest to you.

As england i get trade rights with Denmark/norway/france/spain/aragorn/portugal/hre.

I beleive trade only works if a faction has a border with your country or is close via docks. You can see this at work with the port lines. If i remember correctly Spains port lines only goto Rennes and Cork. so having trade rights with spain is useless unless u have either of those cities

I could be wrong though its just ive never once seen anything from a far away country i have trade rights with on the trade screen window.

[Viscule]

Trade rights with factions out of your reach is useless and has no effect.

England having trade rights with mongols for instance. You only need trade rights with the factions closest to you.

As england i get trade rights with Denmark/norway/france/spain/aragorn/portugal/hre.

I beleive trade only works if a faction has a border with your country or is close via docks. You can see this at work with the port lines. If i remember correctly Spains port lines only goto Rennes and Cork. so having trade rights with spain is useless unless u have either of those cities

I could be wrong though its just ive never once seen anything from a far away country i have trade rights with on the trade screen window.

I believe the better your buildings are that control the docks such as merchants something.. forgot the name again. But the higher it is, the more places you can trade with and you can trade with docks further away.

[Spartan90]

Trade rights with factions your aren't neighbouring has no effect to your trade income.

You get more money if you trade within your faction. This is because you will receive money from both settlements that you are trading between. If you trade with another faction's city, you are only getting money from YOUR faction. Hope this makes sense..

Also, wondering why you get money for importing stuff (generally around 50 florins). Wouldn't you lose money?

[Viscule]

Trade rights with factions your aren't neighbouring has no effect to your trade income.

You get more money if you trade within your faction. This is because you will receive money from both settlements that you are trading between. If you trade with another faction's city, you are only getting money from YOUR faction. Hope this makes sense..

Also, wondering why you get money for importing stuff (generally around 50 florins). Wouldn't you lose money?

Trading goes both ways. If it went one way calling it trading would be pointless.

[Spartan90]

Trading goes both ways. If it went one way calling it trading would be pointless.

Exactly. So in this case would you rather trade with your own cities so you reap trading money for both cities, instead of trading with another faction, where only one of your cities will earn money?

[Viscule]

Exactly. So in this case would you rather trade with your own cities so you reap trading money for both cities, instead of trading with another faction, where only one of your cities will earn money?

I'd rather do both, which i do.

[Lothe]

I would say Tariffs, not sure if they existed at the time (realistically) though.

[Spartan90]

Why do both though? I mean, trading with another faction is better than not trading at all. But you can make twice the money trading with your own cities. Plus, the more trade you do, the more prosperous your cities become and you get population bonuses. You may also get happiness bonuses as well.

[Viscule]

Why do both though? I mean, trading with another faction is better than not trading at all. But you can make twice the money trading with your own cities. Plus, the more trade you do, the more prosperous your cities become and you get population bonuses. You may also get happiness bonuses as well.

Wrong, its not always like that. I start by upgrading what improves my trading the most. When i cant upgrade that i upgrade the other. I usually gain alot more trading with others because my cities are usually connected to other neutral/allied cities.

"the more trade you do" is exactly the line i told you, but you still repeat that trading between your own cities is better. Sometimes it might be and sometimes it might not be. Trading as much as you can is always better than only trading with yourself. You basically told me what i already told you in that sentence.

[Spartan90]

Wrong, its not always like that. I start by upgrading what improves my trading the most. When i cant upgrade that i upgrade the other. I usually gain alot more trading with others because my cities are usually connected to other neutral/allied cities.

"the more trade you do" is exactly the line i told you, but you still repeat that trading between your own cities is better. Sometimes it might be and sometimes it might not be. Trading as much as you can is always better than only trading with yourself. You basically told me what i already told you in that sentence.

Yes, but you can't trade as much as you want. As far as I know, you can trade over land with as many regions that are connected to yours. Sea trade, on the other hand, only have a limited amount of trade routes directly relative to the port upgrades. For example, if you have 3 trade routes available, you will want to be using the routes that generate the most income. You don't have unlimited maritime trading routes, if that was the case, you and I wouldn't be having this debate.

[Viscule]

Yes, but you can't trade as much as you can. As far as I know, you can trade over land with as many regions that are connected to yours. Sea trade, on the other hand, only have a limited amount of trade routes directly relative to the port upgrades. For example, if you have 3 trade routes available, you will want to be using the routes that generate the most income. You don't have unlimited maritime trading routes, if that was the case, you and I wouldn't be having this debate.

Not much of a debate if you understood the fact i've been telling you.

What i've been telling you: Trading as much as you can is always better than only trading with yourself. When something in the trade changes you change with it. Not much of a discussion just repetetive thinking.

I also told you that i start with the trade that generate the most. So WHY do you continue? Did you even read what i wrote? This is irritating and i'm sleepy so i'm going to bed. Before it ends up any worse than it is.


I can TRADE AS MUCH as i can. Which in other words means: Trading as much as possible. How do you not get it and still write "Yes, but you can't trade as much as you can."

[Spartan90]

I can TRADE AS MUCH as i can. Which in other words means: Trading as much as possible. How do you not get it and still write "Yes, but you can't trade as much as you can."

Sorry, meant you can't trade as much as you want. Just a mistake on my behalf. There are limits to your trade routes. Okay mate, sorry for the misunderstanding, sleep well

[moosey]

no, london will make the same amount of money from trading with bruges no matter who owns it.

Although if you own it you could make sure to build up its infrastructure so that it would trade more.