Deutschritterorden / Historical Campaign

[Ahlerich]

Couldnt find a thread so i started one.

Deutschritterorden / Historical Campaign

they are very weak and it is almost impossible (if not impossible) to survive with all scripts enabled.
I suggest to make the faction a bit stronger. this could be done like this:

8000 more money in the beginning
Alliance with Poland in the beginning (its next to impossible now to get traderights or a alliance with poland / poland allways attacks you early in the game now so beeing allied with poland in the beginning would be historically correct and defuse the situation. right now you usually get war with poland before lithuania)
Bigger army in the beginnig
A merchant in the beginning

all these options would keep it somewhat historical and make it a bit easier for the payer to succeed.
Even with those changes Deutschritterorden would still be very hard to play but there would be a chance for success.

opinions?

[Protector]

Couldnt find a thread so i started one.

Deutschritterorden / Historical Campaign

they are very week and it is almost impossible (if not impossible) to survive with all scripts enabled.
I suggest to make the faction a bit stronger. this could be done like this:

8000 more money in the beginning
Alliance with poland in the beginning
Bigger army in the beginnig
A merchant in the beginning

all these options would keep it somewhat historical and make it a bit easier for the payer to succeed.
Even with those changes Deutschritterorden would still be very hard to play but there would be a chance for success.

Very good idea Ahlerich,

TO (Teutonic Order) got the job (so to say..) to convert the pagans ...
... so what would be in addition to your ideas to give them right from the start also stronger religion by higher church upgrade and additional 3 priests + 1 bishop to stress or to attack Lithuania with religion....maybe it could give TO more needed time due to religion rebellion problems...

[Kjertesvein]

I agree that they should have an inch better starting position, but before that...
I say we all have a go at :

• Deutschritterorden / Historical Campaign. Civ_DLV
• All scripts enabled.
• And in the end, see how many turn we survive.

Do you mean total war or Civic_DLV?
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Very good idea Ahlerich,

TO (Teutonic Order) got the job (so to say..) to convert the pagans ...
... so what would be in addition to your ideas to give them right from the start also stronger religion by higher church upgrade and additional 3 priests + 1 bishop to stress or to attack Lithuania with religion....maybe it could give TO more needed time due to religion rebellion problems...

You need to think about what to add. If its to many priest, then Lith. will have the same big problem.

[Ahlerich]

i mean civ.

i played on medium now with some scripts disabled because its pointless with all scripts enabled. i tried that 5 times and am sick of it now but still wanna play deutschritter.

now i have the island in the baltic, all starting positions and rasenai. build economy but still have only a low income and polnad attacked already. so even on medium with some scripts off its very hard.

but yeah i d like if some people try to survive as deutschritter with all scripts on. i wonder if i am just stupid that it seems undooable for my.

[Taiji]

OK I accept the challenge.

You don't make it clear and so I'll assume you are using total war AI option.

[Ahlerich]

OK I accept the challenge.

You don't make it clear and so I'll assume you are using total war AI option.

no i use civ. poland attacks within 12 rounds anyways. lithuania didnt attack me yet coz i called a crusade and the english finished it but ususally lithuanina attacks early as well. even when playing civ style. i dont wanna know what happens if i use tw ai. (prolly hre attacking me as well in turn 2 )

[Kjertesvein]

He said Historical campaign, with Civ_DLV.
All scripts on.
Vh/Vh.

Strategy plan:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I sold every building in Acre, and Acre is sold to Poland, for goods. The Acre guy took a boat up to kiev and is making his way up.
My diplomat is rushing to the pope for relations and help against the pagans.
I'm a few turns in, rushed the Sweeds from turn 2. I got Kalmar and the one to the north by rushing my fighing governor(heir) and every unit. I also got a civil war b/c -5000fl., but I dont give a . Right now I need to step into the peaceful region of social democrats of Scandinavia.
Totaly unhistorical, but I will survive.

[Ahlerich]

He said Historical campaign, with Civ_DLV.
All scripts on.
Vh/Vh.

Strategy plan:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I sold every building in Acre, and Acre is sold to Poland, for goods. The Acre guy took a boat up to kiev and is making his way up.
My diplomat is rushing to the pope for relations and help against the pagans.
I'm a few turns in, rushed the Sweeds from turn 2. I got Kalmar and the one to the north by rushing my fighing governor(heir) and every unit. I also got a civil war b/c -5000fl., but I dont give a . Right now I need to step into the peaceful region of social democrats of Scandinavia.
Totaly unhistorical, but I will survive.

so u r not at war with poland and lithania yet? must be my bad karma then. i got sandwiched in 4 out of 5 campaigns very early in the game now

[Taiji]

Well that was going well, TW style doesn't seem that hard. Raseinai and Riga are mine by turn 7, acre given to Lith for a joke and the family member killed off in a glorious charge versus 1000 turks (don't waste money in the ME). Alliance with Nov established, merchants on the way to the spice in northern italy, town militia and archers buildable.

It looks like I really need lith and poland to wage war on me to stop me.

I'll try with Civ though, sorry I didn't see you specify it.

[Kjertesvein]

By turn 6, I got Supreme status, so that might help.
3 towns and 1 castle(capital).

Without sounding to good for my self, I think you need to... have a clear objective, and act, even if you loose gov. points or go minus in profit.
Push on forvard, and don't go defence or halt. Only later when you established a few towns, can you build up your economy. This also goes for Armenia, as they start with 2 (or 1) settlement. The other-way around, then what you would do as larger factions.

EDIT: No war, but I think I pissed them of by tresspasing. Not matter, I got financial backing by two great trading citys(Kalmar and Stockholm). I will send a crusade on Lith. capital soon, see how it goes...

[Ahlerich]

By turn 6, I got Supreme status, so that might help.
3 towns and 1 castle(capital).

Without sounding to good for my self, I think you need to... have a clear objective, and act, even if you loose gov. points or go minus in profit.
Push on forvard, and don't go defence or halt. Only later when you established a few towns, can you build up your economy. This also goes for Armenia, as they start with 2 (or 1) settlement. The other-way around, then what you would do as larger factions.

EDIT: No war, but I think I pissed them of by tresspasing. Not matter, I got financial backing by two great trading citys(Kalmar and Stockholm). I will send a crusade on Lith. capital soon, see how it goes...

how did u conquer 2 towns in 6 turns with half a stack of militia and a few strong knights? did the garrison script not spawn defensive armies in those towns? :hmmm:

Well that was going well, TW style doesn't seem that hard. Raseinai and Riga are mine by turn 7, acre given to Lith for a joke and the family member killed off in a glorious charge versus 1000 turks (don't waste money in the ME). Alliance with Nov established, merchants on the way to the spice in northern italy, town militia and archers buildable.

It looks like I really need lith and poland to wage war on me to stop me.

I'll try with Civ though, sorry I didn't see you specify it.

how can u have merchantS by turn 7 ??? i dont even have the option to build a market yet in rasenai which i conquered also in the 2nd or 3rd turn ?!?

[Kjertesvein]

• how did u conquer 2 towns in 6 turns with half a stack of militia and a few strong knights? did the garrison script not spawn defensive armies in those towns? :hmmm:

1. Send all units to the baltic shore. and recruite mercenary boat. head for Town of Kalmar.
2. Take it, now jump in the boat with all units, except peasent archers. Sail north to Stocholm. Sige it.
3. Take it.

Garrison script didn't work for the 2 rebel towns. Even alot of Raiders and Lith. HA could not stand against my hardy Sergents, 4 peasents, 2 heavy TO cavalry and general. No back-up for the rebel town.

• how can u have merchantS by turn 7 ??? i dont even have the option to build a market yet in rasenai which i conquered also in the 2nd or 3rd turn ?!?

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  • Capturing Kalmar in historic gives you the option to recruite merchants from the start.

Good luck

[Taiji]

Looking at the situation I think the difficult approach is being succesful in the middle east, now that looks like a challenge

[Taiji]

hehehe

There was a grain exchange in raseinai when I took it, I took it with ~2000 men and was helped by rebels attacking me with a second army on their turn after I seiged them. I killed the 2 rebel armies (3000+ men total) and walked into raseinai without paying siege costs, lost about 500 men. Riga was not well defended, about 1200 men or so - easy win (yet another grain exchange in Riga so my 2 merchants are off to monopolise spice). So by turn 8 with only 3 towns and a castle I'm easily making 3000 a turn before costs. My total money is around -300 and so I only have to wait a couple of turns and another settlement will be mine. If I am attacked by another nation things might fall apart but that isn't looking likely. Oh yeah and 10 mil points

[Ahlerich]

i start a new campaign now. i would bet my first born child that there never was a market in rasenai in all my campaigns. or is that also differen when u play ai style? i doubt that..

[Taiji]

Maybe the rebels built them, so it could be down to AI type.

[Ahlerich]

guess thats how it has to be then. the key is to get 2 towns before poland and lithuania declare war i guess. ( to get the supreme status i never heard of before)

hehe since u r danish i guess u played danmark a lot and therefore know the region well. i usually play hre so i only take arhus and leave the rest of danmark and norway alone in scandinavia. so i dont know where the cities are and where the castles. which are good to have and which dont matter. i took the one island in the baltic real early (i guess visby?) but there was only a castle so it was pretty much a waste of money men and time

my status quo, i am doomed but the show must go on!

[Kjertesvein]

Talking to me? DANISH?! God I'm not lazy and fat.

[Xtiaan72]

I'm playing as well. VH/VH default campaign

Acre to Poland turn two...

Captured Edessa with Mid-east troops (Turn 5).. Nice troops down there, gotta do something with them.

That's it...Positive treasury already.

Marriage Alliance with Kiev...plus Trade Rights.

Poland hates me even though I gave them Acre.....Might try to ally with Lithuania and gang up on Poland... They are the ones I'm worried about.

Playing with BB and XBAI..Having a blast.

[Ahlerich]

i played again as well.
historic all scripts except towncost script
civ style.
i am tired of it, this is the last try then i ll play with jerusalem.
too bad u cheaters backstabbed me (joke) so my ideas to improve deutschritter a bit is shut down i guess

gave acre to poland for trade rights
used the troops from acre to conquer damskus. (i know my allies jerusalem owned it but i thought screw them..
build a merchant there and gave the city to lithuania one turn later for traderights
also got traderights with novgorod
pope called a crusade to cordoba - it is strategically stupid but who am i to refuse a wish of the ground control of god himself
wanted to get another morish castle coz i was in spain and portugal finished the crusade but then i got jumped by a stack and destroyed - game crashed too after the battle unfortunately

i have positive income now but only my starting positions -acre + a merchant
might continue later and see if i get enough money to raise an army to take rasenai. only 1 general left though. its looking dark already again.