Can you make effecive armies at low levels?

[Seleucid king]

While I was doing my Afternoon activities today(Lunch, Video games, Etc.), I started to wonder:

"Could any faction be able to produce an army capable of beating Rome at Money Levels as low as 5500-6500 Denarii?" then I began to concept some.

well, some players would try to get small amounts of the best troops Rome can get,or try to get a bunch of crap units. so at 5500 Denarii or so they might be able to get 2-3 Praetorian Cohorts, perhaps with some Upgrades, or 8-10 Hastati units.What could I get to Overwhelm that?

Some Warbands and Swordsmen from Gaul or Britannia? :hmmm:

Foresters perhaps? :hmmm:

Barbarian Cavalry? :hmmm:

Probably the best Army to use when fighting the army of Low in number Elite units(such as 2, maybe 3 Praetorian Cohorts, no upgrades) would be from Gaul:

8 Warbands(bb)

2 Swordsmen(no attack, b defense)

2 Barbarian Cavalry(no defense, b attack)

and possibly 1 Forester Warband.

can someone Playtest both of these scenarios and see if it would fit in the budget of 5500-6500 Denarii? and if it does, see if the gauls would win?

[MaceMan]

"Could any faction be able to produce an army capable of beating Rome at Money Levels as low as 5500-6500 Denarii?"

Of course! Romans actually get exponentially better and better as money level increases, and the lower the money level, the easier it is to beat them. Barbarians stand a very good chance against Romans at these low money levels. Just take advantage of the cheaper barbarian units; unless you upgrade too much, you should outnumber your Roman opponent, and can thus envelop him with relative ease. Also, I definitely wouldn't take foresters at 5k. Skirmisher warbands with gold attack upgrades work wonders against Roman armor, especially since your opponent probably won't have too many missiles at such a low money level.

[Seleucid king]

Of course! Romans actually get exponentially better and better as money level increases, and the lower the money level, the easier it is to beat them. Barbarians stand a very good chance against Romans at these low money levels. Just take advantage of the cheaper barbarian units; unless you upgrade too much, you should outnumber your Roman opponent, and can thus envelop him with relative ease. Also, I definitely wouldn't take foresters at 5k. Skirmisher warbands with gold attack upgrades work wonders against Roman armor, especially since your opponent probably won't have too many missiles at such a low money level.

well, like i said,

some players would try to get small amounts of the best troops Rome can get,or try to get a bunch of crap units.

[Seleucid king]

thanks for your opinion BTW

[Selifator]

I'd look at the amount of units the opponent has, and either go for a swarm of infantry or a group of axe cav.

[Seleucid king]

gaul doens't have axe cav. i am trying to use low cost barbarian units as effective as possible.

[Lord Thesaurian]

Britannia and Rome have the best low-cost units, then HA-cav civs like Parthia and Scythia

[Selifator]

"Cough" Scythia "Cough"

[Seleucid king]

gaul has cheap Warbands, and in numbers, they are quite effective, if coupled with Barbarian Cav.

[Selifator]

Depends, they still aren't a match for urbans. And if the Roman player would lock down his formation and deny you the rear charge, then you have a problem. If he has hastati and such, he could easily afford spearmen to protect his rear.

[Seleucid king]

well at 6500 f he wants upgrades he'll not be able 2 get Triarii

and i did some tests on a sketchboard in 4 situtions and they were all Gallic Victories:

Small amount of Elite units, 1 group

Small amount of Elite units, 3 groups

large amount of Crap troops, 1 group

large amount of Crap troops, 3 groups

all of these simulations were Gallic Victories(but i haven't playtested them, but i will tommorrow)

[Selifator]

I don't get the groups thing.

[Seleucid king]

the amy is seperated into groups.

[Selifator]

Hmm, well show and enlighten me! Because I still don't get it. But I'm going to assume it has to do with deployment and or attack patterns?

[Seleucid king]

i dont know how.

[|Sith| Max]

:Confusion: Sounds like an interesting theory. i would still go for scythia in low money games though. ill just hop on rome to see what i can come up with

[Lord Thesaurian]

Seleucia and Woad can be very effective. catas/chariots/head hurlers anyone?

[Seleucid king]

LOW MONEY LEVELS(so Cata's excluded)

[|Sith| Max]

woot! maidens take over the cavworld!

[Selifator]

Dude, if we want to take chariots it's our choice. You never said that the armies have to be sane or balanced.