Laetus
Crossbows
Hey hey,
during my last siege, defending my town, I noticed that my crossbowmen didn't really shoot from the walls. Their unit cards said they were shooting, but when I looked at the units, most of them were just standing around and only 1 or 2 of the bunch actually shot at the enemy. Is this a bug or is it supposed to be that way?
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Re: Crossbows
Crossbow men were relativly lazy during the medieval ages and consisted of the middle-class citizen. They were also known as pacifist, wich comes from the Italien name; pavise (crossbowmen).
Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga- The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
http://imgur.com/a/DMm19
Originally Posted by Finn
Laetus
Re: Crossbows
Thanks Taiji, I guess I'll stick with archers then
Re: Crossbows
It's a bug, the wall gets in the way (thanks CA). The only solution I know of will also allow crossbows to shoot from behind walls and so is not acceptable.
They will work as the enemy approaches but then the wall will be in the way and they will stop working but keep trying - stop them from trying or they will lose a lot of stamina.
One approach to using them in siege defence is to have them behind your wall shooting at enemies occupying your walls.
Or set up your gate defence so that when enemies come through they are facing melee on one side and your crossbows on the other, engage them with the melee and shoot their backs with the crossbows.
Maybe someone can fix this by editing the walls in 3DS max or something like that but I've not seen any progress on this since M2TW release.
Last edited by Taiji; February 19, 2009 at 10:05 AM.
Praeses
Re: Crossbows
yeah i think what manly broke it is that they are altered to just shoot directly at targets. so if u have crossbowmen on the walls you have to aim at units far away for example. if you play a bit around you might get 1§ of them firing at least
Decanus
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im quite sure it has to do with the angle of fire you have it set at,
as ahlerich said they only fire at max 30 degrees or something.
so when crossbows are on the walls only the ones standing between the caltrops will fire.
personally although unrealistic i think they should be set back to the same angle as a bow. crossbows are virtually useless in the game as they are.
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And yet they seem to work fine for me
Tiro
Re: Crossbows
Put them on a hill behind and above your main line for a defensive position, or on the wings when attacking. They do a good job with flanking fire, even at close ranges.
True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance. --- Pharaoh Akhenaten, mid 12th century.
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They suck at wall defense and a bit at offense too. I use them for field battles, street fighting and covering walls - for me they earn their money.
Watching crossbows fire indirectly is a bit too much for me to take, maybe someone should make a minimod - it only takes editing 1 or 2 lines in descr_projectiles.txt.
Personally I'd rather have them bugged on the walls than bugged everywhere, if you decide to make this minimod you'll notice that they'll be firing like this in the field at every opportunity. Just put a unit in front of them and you'll see them firing volleys into the sky, I can't stand it.
Praeses
Re: Crossbows
the epic search for the lesser evil. i am undecided - both sux.
i usually only have few crossbow units that i take for field battles.
mainly i use archers to leave at least 2 units of them in my cities. this works fine. its sad though that such strong defensive units like crossbowmen are almost useless in defending a town.
Remember to smile
Re: Crossbows
My crossbow(not peasent) unit is treated as any other medium infantry on the castle wall. They hold their ground against peasents, militias and even sergeants. I look at them as a hybid, not an archer.
Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga- The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
http://imgur.com/a/DMm19
Praeses
Re: Crossbows
my crossbowmen wouldnt do that. i have discipline issues. they prefer to stand behind the wall on the ground and fire at the enemy fighting on my walls. in the worst case after that they retreat to the towncenter where they will fight for their life eventually.
man work blows i wanna go home and continue my epic struggle surviving as the teuton order of poverty and restraint.
Last edited by Ahlerich; February 21, 2009 at 02:23 AM.
Remember to smile
Re: Crossbows
Im currently carving my way through a TO campaign right now. I must say it takes a unhistorical turn.
Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga- The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
http://imgur.com/a/DMm19
Decanus
Re: Crossbows
i find given their rate of fire peasant archers seam to do a better job even on the field than trained crossbow men
Praeses
Re: Crossbows
i think you could be right but without looking at the stats i feel that crossbowmen have a longer range and they should be more effective aagainst armored units
MAN in the HIGH CASTLE
Re: Crossbows
For gameplay, why not increase their range so they're very very long range - allowing them time to get a few more good direct line-of-fire volleys off in the front rank of your army before running behind your infantry line when the enemy closes in.
Then again maybe there's historical histerics to have about realistic range and this idea is not to be considered.
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