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    how important are generals for battles anyway really? I understand that some of the benefits of a general include

    -prevent army becoming rebels (provided that he has high loyalty)

    -high chivalry means more moral for your army

    -high dread scares the enemy so they route faster

    but there does command help exactly?

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    Default Re: what do command stars do?

    morale perhaps?

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    I believe that it adds morale and makes your units respond quicker.
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    Command stars increase morale and the general's effectiveness in rallying routing units.

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    hmmm, if commands only really improve morale, then it really does not do a whole lot at all. considering that morale is already pretty much. adding even more morale will not help really at all. even with no general at all, my units never route anyway. if you are losing so many men that your units are routing, a little more morale really doesnt help.

    in this sense, a 2 star general probably has no disadvantage against a 8 star general since the morale is already high as to begin with. is there a cap to how high morale can be? i guess there is no way to tell.

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    If you auto-resolve a batlle with any 10-star general, you can win even against a ratio of 5:1. If you manually play the battle though... not quite sure.

    I have always wondered if units are more susceptible to damage as t heir morale decreases, for example:

    Does an "eager" or "impetuous" unit receive less damage/deaths than one that is "shaken" or "wavering"?

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    I believe (from personal experience)
    command makes artillery/missile units more accurate
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordextra0 View Post
    I believe (from personal experience)
    command makes artillery/missile units more accurate
    oh really?? that is interesting. does an artillery unit with more experience also shoot more accurately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wngpooniii View Post
    oh really?? that is interesting. does an artillery unit with more experience also shoot more accurately?
    No, it has been tested already that more experience does not equal more accuracy, I think its coded up. So to increase accuracy you would have to modify it from the scripts. Command stars, if anything, only increases morale, and the commander's rally action (the horn button thing) becomes more effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordextra0 View Post
    I believe (from personal experience)
    command makes artillery/missile units more accurate
    If it does, it's not in the manual

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caesar Clivus View Post
    If it does, it's not in the manual
    Imagine 3 gold chevron basillisks + a 10 star general, you would blast enemy generals at maximum range haha, you could even probably win battles with a few artillery pieces, providing they don't have cav!

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    On my early campaign as knights templar, my FL has 10 command stars, authority, piety with 3 golden stars and i'm under 20 turns. Doing every battle by myself, and i notice how much it affects my troops.

    What i believe is that moral helps the troops last longer, increases efficiency, increases damage, increases accuracy, etc. They hold their ground and manage to kill of two egyptian stacks with one flanking them. Pilgrims ftw! xD (No joke, my infantry troops mainly consists of pilgrims.) Supported by mercs/cavalry.

    No way would they survive with a 0-4 command general. It just would not work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viscule View Post

    What i believe is that moral helps the troops last longer, increases efficiency, increases damage, increases accuracy, etc.

    can anyone confirm this?

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    A while back i had editted my game files so that each faction started with a ballista at their capital to help in sieges, (this was LTC v 2 or 3 with bigmap mod so lots and lots of towns and castles to take over)

    what i noticed was that at first, the shots went all over the place, some hit the unit, some hit surrounding units, some hit nothing at all, what you would expect really. But as it killed rebel soldiers and the experience started gooing up into the silver and gold, i noticed that the ballista now hit a precise spot or as close as with almost everyshot doing a huge amount of damage to static targets.

    Now my generals would usually have been gaining experience too so this could have helped too.
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    I think the more command stars a general has, the more bodyguards he has

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinnguyen View Post
    I think the more command stars a general has, the more bodyguards he has
    Might be, but if so its not the only thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinnguyen View Post
    I think the more command stars a general has, the more bodyguards he has
    I think the number of bodyguards is determined by the personal security of the general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calamarain View Post
    I think the number of bodyguards is determined by the personal security of the general.
    So far the only ones i've noticed is the retinue knights being added, but the personal security seems logical. Need to test that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calamarain View Post
    I think the number of bodyguards is determined by the personal security of the general.
    You are correct from all the testing I've done. e.g. guard dog = 1 extra bodyguard
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    Quote Originally Posted by ginger_hammer View Post
    You are correct from all the testing I've done. e.g. guard dog = 1 extra bodyguard
    They put the guard dog on a horse?

    hmmm, if commands only really improve morale, then it really does not do a whole lot at all. considering that morale is already pretty much. adding even more morale will not help really at all. even with no general at all, my units never route anyway. if you are losing so many men that your units are routing, a little more morale really doesnt help.
    Come up against a 10 dread mongol general and you might need a bit of a boost

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