Allies alarmed by Pakistan deal with Taliban

[morteduzionism]

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Is Pakistan's army really that weak?

The US should just wash it's hands of the whole region and leave it up to Israel, Iran, Pakistan, Saudia Arabia and India...

Then tell them the very first time a terrorist attacks US soil...they'll be living in a real Fallout 3... ALL of them (that means Israel too...)

These (bleep)tards over there don't (bleep)ing know what the (bleep) is going on! None of them! Either they're cutting off their wives heads, blowing themselves up, bombing civilians (Israel & Hamas) and generally making a gods-be-damned mess of everything...

(bleep) em!

Nukes won't effect the oil, would it?

Why the (bleep) does the world keep reaching out to these (bleep)ing idiots!

Is there a single country in the region that has demonstrated an ability to be rational? ...just blow the WHOLE place up...from the Mediterranean to the Andaman Islands...scrub it all clean...

[Farnan]

Pakistan has been playing both sides the whole time in this war.

[Zephyrus]

Pakistan has been playing both sides the whole time in this war.

So in other words, Pakistan is politically bisexual!

Seriously, I'm having a boring day so far. I need to cheer myself up..

The Taliban have different moral values than people in the West, but that doesn't mean we have to keep seeing them as enemies.

The only reason NATO got into a fight with the Taliban was because they refused (or, were unable) to hand over Osama Bin Laden.
Before 9/11 the Taliban and the US government were friends, Bush even went so far as to recognize them as the official leadership of Afghanistan. (the UN still considered Massoud's Northern Alliance the official leadership).

Maybe it's time America also accepted that, just like the USSR, they can't win in that region and just give up.
It's harsh, but we have more important things to worry about than if Afghan and Pakistani girls can go to school or not.

I have proof that after their elementary school, they come to the USA to finish college. In fact, I'm dead certain of it.

My mission now is to earn their trust and have them not view me as a western crusader. Then, and only then, shall I strike with the vengeful fury of the Byzantines!

[Holger Danske]

Pakistan has been playing both sides the whole time in this war.

I think it's time to realize that the only way to win the war in Afghanistan is to deal with Pakistan, one way or the other... And frankly they seem more eager to keep the war going than actually playing the role of an ally and helping out. Too bad they have nuclear weapons, and well people, here is your answer to why Iran must not get nuclear weapons.

[Babur]

I think it's time to realize that the only way to win the war in Afghanistan is to deal with Pakistan, one way or the other... And frankly they seem more eager to keep the war going than actually playing the role of an ally and helping out. Too bad they have nuclear weapons, and well people, here is your answer to why Iran must not get nuclear weapons.

how is Iran involved? they're not fans of Pakistan mainly due to the fact that Shiah Muslims are heavily persecuted there.

[Holger Danske]

how is Iran involved? they're not fans of Pakistan mainly due to the fact that Shiah Muslims are heavily persecuted there.

You're confused.

This thread is about how the Pakistanis are aiding the Taliban, not fighting them, and you can be sure as hell that the Iranians are or would be willing to do the same, and guess what, they are also bordering Afghanistan which means that floods of extremist and supplies can pass through there almost unchallenged, which makes the mission in the South a lot more difficult for ISAF.

As for Pakistan. The problem here is that they have nuclear weapons, which makes the matter far more delicate and dangerous as the US simply cannot "punish" Pakistan for playing the double role of being committed to fight terrorism while obviously and well knowing harboring Taliban insurgents.

Just try to imagine how the Iranians would act if they had nuclear weapons!

[Farnan]

You're confused.

This thread is about how the Pakistanis are aiding the Taliban, not fighting them, and you can be sure as hell that the Iranians are or would be willing to do the same, and guess what, they are also bordering Afghanistan which means that floods of extremist and supplies can pass through there almost unchallenged, which makes the mission in the South a lot more difficult for ISAF.

As for Pakistan. The problem here is that they have nuclear weapons, which makes the matter far more delicate and dangerous as the US simply cannot "punish" Pakistan for playing the double role of being committed to fight terrorism while obviously and well knowing harboring Taliban insurgents.

Just try to imagine how the Iranians would act if they had nuclear weapons!

Iran hates the Taliban more than we do. The Taliban oppressed the Haziri, and allied with Saudi Arabia while Afghanistan is traditionally an Iranian ally.

1) The Taliban got trained, funded and supported by the US in order to destabilize the soviet union, "to give the soviets their very own vietnam" as brezinski (however he is spelled) boasted.

The Pakistanis trained, funded and supported the Taliban. Some US money may have gone to them and likely was diverted to them, but the US funded the Mujaheddin, a different group. And the US never supported the Taliban refusing to recognize them.

I can't believe how often this lie is spread, people must believe if they say it enough it will come true.

[VALIS]

Pakistan are not a reliable ally, they should be treated with suspicion and prejudice.

[gojira]

Pakistan are not a reliable ally, they should be treated with suspicion and prejudice.

I lol´d



Not to forget the uss liberty incident.

[Chukada1]

Also. If we would stop meddling in their domestic affairs, mabye just mabye, they could solve thier problems. You know, if we stopped overthrowing governments and selling out revolutionaries.

But then we would be hypocrits.

[Chukada1]

Story

Is Pakistan's army really that weak?

The US should just wash it's hands of the whole region and leave it up to Israel, Iran, Pakistan, Saudia Arabia and India...

Then tell them the very first time a terrorist attacks US soil...they'll be living in a real Fallout 3... ALL of them (that means Israel too...)

These (bleep)tards over there don't (bleep)ing know what the (bleep) is going on! None of them! Either they're cutting off their wives heads, blowing themselves up, bombing civilians (Israel & Hamas) and generally making a gods-be-damned mess of everything...

(bleep) em!

Nukes won't effect the oil, would it?

Why the (bleep) does the world keep reaching out to these (bleep)ing idiots!

Is there a single country in the region that has demonstrated an ability to be rational? ...just blow the WHOLE place up...from the Mediterranean to the Andaman Islands...scrub it all clean...

Oman.

+And remember, it was the Americans and Soviets that were turning the world into a battlefield. The situation in Afganastan and Pakistan are post-cold war fallout.

[Farnan]

Oman.

Jordan, Egypt, UAE and Kuwait too.

The UAE and Jordan I believe have troops in Afghanistan.

http://www.nato.int/isaf/structure/nations/index.html

[Heinz Guderian]

Jordan, Egypt, UAE and Kuwait too.

The UAE and Jordan I believe have troops in Afghanistan.

http://www.nato.int/isaf/structure/nations/index.html

just the guys who listen to the Americans? I suppose Tajikistan is now a bad guy since it said it wanted to close the US airbase? Was a good guy a few months ago.

[Farnan]

just the guys who listen to the Americans? I suppose Tajikistan is now a bad guy since it said it wanted to close the US airbase? Was a good guy a few months ago.

I meant in the Arab Middle East, Tajikistan is Central Asia...

[Heinz Guderian]

I meant in the Arab Middle East, Tajikistan is Central Asia...

And if you had to venture an All-American opinion on Central Asia, your opinion on Tajikistan is good girl gone bad?

[MathiasOfAthens]

I was ing pissed off when I saw this in the news. ing Pakistan what a bunch of ing idiots.

Seriously whose bright idea was it to just give land to the people your fighting and let them administer it as they see. Hell in my book thats not called a truce, thats called surrendering. Thats what the Taliban were fighting for in the first place to have their own land to administer. Now they will go behead more women, throw acid in girls faces, and prob behead some men too who are unislamic.

Good news... Now that the land is under Taliban administration that gives Nato the greenlight to invade the valley. Think about it. Makes sense to me. If the land is no longer under Pakistanian administration but has been surrendered to the Taliban and the Taliban are enemies of Nato then basically that gives us the just cause in invading.

[mongrel]

Seriously whose bright idea was it to just give land to the people your fighting and let them administer it as they see.

Is this precisely what happened in Northern Ireland?

There real question is whether this affects the Afghan operation strategically. Instinct suggests that it would.

[Erik]

The Taliban have different moral values than people in the West, but that doesn't mean we have to keep seeing them as enemies.

The only reason NATO got into a fight with the Taliban was because they refused (or, were unable) to hand over Osama Bin Laden.
Before 9/11 the Taliban and the US government were friends, Bush even went so far as to recognize them as the official leadership of Afghanistan. (the UN still considered Massoud's Northern Alliance the official leadership).

Maybe it's time America also accepted that, just like the USSR, they can't win in that region and just give up.
It's harsh, but we have more important things to worry about than if Afghan and Pakistani girls can go to school or not.

[Farnan]

Before 9/11 the Taliban and the US government were friends, Bush even went so far as to recognize them as the official leadership of Afghanistan. (the UN still considered Massoud's Northern Alliance the official leadership).
.

No we didn't. The only countries to EVER recognize the Taliban were Pakistan, UAE, and Saudi Arabia.

[gojira]

The only reason NATO got into a fight with the Taliban was because they refused (or, were unable) to hand over Osama Bin Laden.

Hmm, I see 2 reasons:

1) Securing the area for a pipeline

2) bringin´the C(ocaine) I(mport) A(gency) back into the game, after the Taliban literally crushed poppy growing there.