Comparison of Israeli and German "concentration camps"

[Tajir]

http://mwcnews.net/content/view/27972/264/


I thought this was a bit interesting. Photos can't lie. Those WW2 photos are every bit as biased or legitimate as the current photos of occupied Arabs if anyone wants to mention that there is some sort of "angle" to any of those pics.

[Sidmen]

Never mind that the "prisons" the Israelis build happen to be a separate country from their own, and that the "concentration camp walls" happen to be international borders. When Israel begins forcing the Palestinians into death camps, or slave labor camps, then come back to us. Because "look, Jews build walls" is a pretty lame thing to say, might as well bring up every company and country that has a wall or fence in or around it.

What Israel is doing is exactly what the USA needs to do to its southern border.

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

Never mind that the "prisons" the Israelis build happen to be a separate country from their own, and that the "concentration camp walls" happen to be international borders.

No. They actually run right through the occupied West Bank towns and villages to protect illegal Israeli settlements. Many Arab farms are destroyed in the process of making these walls.

When Israel begins forcing the Palestinians into death camps, or slave labor camps, then come back to us. Because "look, Jews build walls" is a pretty lame thing to say, might as well bring up every company and country that has a wall or fence in or around it.

Well, sealing 1.5 million people on all sides for years and then using phosphorus bombs in their neighborhoods is as close as it comes to death camps in the 21st century.

What Israel is doing is exactly what the USA needs to do to its southern border.

You mean the US should invade Mexico and build walls right across Mexico City, destroy Mexican farms, imprison those who resist and when its criticized, it should play the victim card?

[eddy_purpus]

What Israel is doing is exactly what the USA needs to do to its southern border.

this thread is about Jews , not Inmigration.
You all are hipocrites.
Why is the US allied to Israel ?
Israel is doing the same stuff that the US fought against for in the 1940s...

[Leckan]

Thanks for the link. Some of the pictures on the dead people sure are horrible. And especially the beheaded girl child who probably died of an air attack or something...

[ivan_the_terrible]

Interesting, thanks.

Definitely not the same as the holocaust, but some of the things photographed there are pretty horrific.

[boofhead]

Yes, the Israelis aren't gassing the Palestinians and burning their bodies in ovens, are they?

And have you ever considered that the 'prison' you speak of may be Israel itself - walling itself in to defend itself from fanatical, bloodthirsty, murdering hellspawn?

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

Yes, the Israelis aren't gassing the Palestinians and burning their bodies in ovens, are they?

And have you ever considered that the 'prison' you speak of may be Israel itself - walling itself in to defend itself from fanatical, bloodthirsty, murdering hellspawn?

It's not considered highly intelligent to buy into that anymore. I mean, Rush Limbaugh and maybe even Bill O'Reilly might lead some to believe the the Middle-East is a place where 1.5 billion zombies live and breed and if, just if, they get one chance, they'll do whatever they can to create a mushroom cloud over our homes. Seriously...

The walls run through occupied territory. I'll make it easier for you -

- I have a home.
- You destroy my home and build yours on top of it.
- I come to fight back for my home.
- You build a wall to defend your occupied land.
- Then the tables turn and the occupier suddenly becomes the "valiant defender of democracy, peace, freedom, magnificence, 9/11, freedom fries".


Lastly, the Palestinians don't get it as badly as the Jews did under the Nazis but between the Nazis and now, no other nation in the greater region has been treated the way the Palestinians have been treated by the Zionists. Besieged prisoners in their own homes, they're killed with the most sophisticated military arsenal in the world in their dozens.

It doesn't take a genius to decipher who the real victim in this conflict is. Those who put a spin on this should be ashamed of themselves because no crime is greater than that of hiding the truth.

Yes, the Israelis aren't gassing the Palestinians and burning their bodies in ovens, are they?

Ever wonder what a Palestinian family looks like when they end up becoming the collateral damage in an F-16 strike or an indiscriminate artillery barrage?

Yes, exactly.

[Yorkshireman]

Those who put a spin on this should be ashamed of themselves because no crime is greater than that of hiding the truth.

I'd say the same for someone who tries to justify comparing the Israeli's to the Third Reich.

And whats with the "Zionists"? I think most people born over there in the last 20-30 years should just be refered to as Israeli's. I often find on this board that the word Zionist is used when the poster would really just like to say Jew.

[The Dude]

The walls run through occupied territory. I'll make it easier for you -

- I have a home.
- You destroy my home and build yours on top of it.
- I come to fight back for my home.
- You build a wall to defend your occupied land.
- Then the tables turn and the occupier suddenly becomes the "valiant defender of democracy, peace, freedom, magnificence, 9/11, freedom fries".

Rofl yes because this conflict has everything to do with a real estate ownership claim and nothing with a bunch of backward muslims being pissed off that the filthy jews have taken up residence in their back yard, right?

Please.

That salutation was also used by Romans and possibly by many other people. We're comparing Jewish treatment of Palestinians with Nazi treatment of Jew. I don't see why you'd try to match bus bombings of Palestinians in the past with Jewish actions.

Again, a plea to common sense:

Why would Muslims use the right arm salute?

1. Because they have a collective appreciation for Roman culture for historical reasons.
2. Because Hitler was good at killing them nasty filthy jews.

Protip: it's not #1.

[PointOfViewGun]

Again, a plea to common sense:

Why would Muslims use the right arm salute?

1. Because they have a collective appreciation for Roman culture for historical reasons.
2. Because Hitler was good at killing them nasty filthy jews.

Protip: it's not #1.

Well I should look in to real reason behind that and than come to a conclusion but saying that it's clearly a Nazi sign they're using is wrong without any real evidence.

[The Dude]

Well I should look in to real reason behind that and than come to a conclusion but saying that it's clearly a Nazi sign they're using is wrong without any real evidence.

I do wonder if you'd be so tolerant of your own countrymen suddenly sticking their arms up like that. No, then it must be Hitler I bet. Don't answer that. It's a hypothetical question that you'd never be able to answer with any degree of credibility anyway.

[Каие]

Rofl yes because this conflict has everything to do with a real estate ownership claim and nothing with a bunch of backward muslims being pissed off that the filthy jews have taken up residence in their back yard, right?

Please.

Again, a plea to common sense:

Why would Muslims use the right arm salute?

1. Because they have a collective appreciation for Roman culture for historical reasons.
2. Because Hitler was good at killing them nasty filthy jews.

Protip: it's not #1.

Sorry, I had to reply to this post right here because of the extraordinary falsehood in it. More importantly, you know it does. Just because I do not participate any more to refute this nonsense, doesn't mean we can still lie here. Here it is. You angle that this only happens because ''The Muslims are mental'' is simply and you know it is, completely false.

For one simple reason: Christians are in on it too. Oh snap! What now? It is ALL about land.

George Habash. A Palestinian Christian. Why did he join Fatah and the PLO, later creating his own wing of Christian fighters in the PLO? George, when he was a small child, was marched out of his home along with 30-50,000 fellow towns folk by Jewish Haganah militants and Irgun terrorists in the Israeli revolution of '48. He swore to take it back and return home.

How many Christians left in Jerusalem since the Israelis took it all? There are now more Palestinians Jerusalem Christians in Sydney then in Jerusalem. Christians who have lived in Jerusalem for the last 2,000 years left due to the occupation. So bad was Islamic rule that they stayed, yet scattered the moment the nationalists came. A true shame, a massive piece of history gone.

Last Christmas, thousands upon thousands of Christians went to the birthplace of Christ celebrate his day of birth. Around Bethlehem on three sides, cutting off access to a ton of land, there is a huge wall. On that wall are armed IDF soldiers. Sitting there watching the Christians worship, in their every move. Bethlehem's Christians have left. And keep leaving. Reasons? Threats from Islamists? Discrimination from Muslims? No. The Israelis. The restriction on their right to worship Christ. Restrictions on their movement with many checkpoints. The acquisition of their precious land.

In the world there are 22 million Lebanese people. 4 million of them live in Lebanon. The overwhelming majority are Christian. How many of them do you think supported Israel's destruction of their country both in 82, through the 90's and in 2006? How many of the Christian Lebanese supported and still do Hezbollah against Israel? What does the Christian Army and President and Constitution say?

Please.....

[boofhead]

Last Christmas, thousands upon thousands of Christians went to the birthplace of Christ celebrate his day of birth. Around Bethlehem on three sides, cutting off access to a ton of land, there is a huge wall. On that wall are armed IDF soldiers. Sitting there watching the Christians worship, in their every move. Bethlehem's Christians have left. And keep leaving. Reasons? Threats from Islamists? Discrimination from Muslims? No. The Israelis. The restriction on their right to worship Christ. Restrictions on their movement with many checkpoints. The acquisition of their precious land.

Thing is, as a Christian, I couldn't give two hoots about the concept you just implied 'Christian land'. In fact that notion is the complete antithesis of the words of Jesus. It doesn't exist. And BTW, for most modern people, the concept of a 'sacred place' is BS as well. If you're down with God then it happens no matter where you are. This world is a fleshly hole anyway, so who cares?

[boofhead]

All I'm doing is saying that comparing the Israelis to Nazis is the biggest load of revisionist bunkum ever to come from the mouths of muslims.....ever. And that's a lot of bunkum to sort through.

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

All I'm doing is saying that comparing the Israelis to Nazis is the biggest load of revisionist bunkum ever to come from the mouths of muslims.....ever. And that's a lot of bunkum to sort through.

And the denial of ground realities from the likes of perennially biased anti-Muslim individuals amounts to the same sort of bunkum, whatever that is. Read my previous post again, it's the 21st century and no one can be as bad as the Nazis were but the Israelis have come pretty damn close to it. It should be noted that almost all left-wing Israelis oppose such violent oppression but the recent elections have shown that they're few and far between.

Hamas, the extremist Palestinian group, has agreed to a long-term truce and peace if Israel withdraws to the 1967 borders. On the other hand, Likud, the majority party of Israel and it's most extremist as well, has said that such an offer is off the table. But I bet you think that's bunkum as well.

I'd say the same for someone who tries to justify comparing the Israeli's to the Third Reich.

Even Benedict XVI's Vatican has described Gaza as a Warsaw Jewish ghetto under the Nazis. "We" Muslims aren't the only ones claiming this. The ground realities are starkingly clear. I'll reiterate though that the IDF's measures are not as extreme, oppressive and humiliating as those of the Nazis but they follow the same principles.

And whats with the "Zionists"? I think most people born over there in the last 20-30 years should just be refered to as Israeli's. I often find on this board that the word Zionist is used when the poster would really just like to say Jew.

Zionists are the reason for the whole mess - they want Judea and Samaria (East Jerusalem, the entire West Bank, Gaza and more). They're the biggest obstable to peace in the Middle-East.

Jews and Zionists are different. Jews, as a religious group, have no enmity with Palestinians but Zionists do because the Palestinians live on "their land". Moreover, many Jews are not Zionists who want the Biblical "Land of Israel" and a lot of Jews, including the leader of the Jews in Jerusalem during Ben Gurion's time, were staunchly against Zionism, which is nothing more than a colonialist solution to the problems of the Jewish population of Europe.

[boofhead]

Read my previous post again, it's the 21st century and no one can be as bad as the Nazis were but the Israelis have come pretty damn close to it.

Bull. No where near close to it. If they had Nazi-like aims, and were even half-good at fulfilling the role, then all 'Palestinians' would already be dead. It would be a piece of cake.

It should be noted that almost all left-wing Israelis oppose such violent oppression but the recent elections have shown that they're few and far between.

Hippies and peaceniks are the same the world over. They have a voice, but it's usually quite stoned.

Hamas, the extremist Palestinian group, has agreed to a long-term truce and peace if Israel withdraws to the 1967 borders.

Rubbish. Who would believe Hamas? They want all of Israel, and to purge it of Jews. Their slimy claim that they would accept a peace on that basis is nothing but a lie in the hope that they can inch their way to their final goal.

Or do you actually believe their words?

Zionists are the reason for the whole mess

Not really. It would be the fault of the victors in WW2 who dealt the losers a loss of territory.

[Ahlerich]

Not really. It would be the fault of the victors in WW2 who dealt the losers a loss of territory.

too easy and not helpful because too late to change.

there was hope for enduring peace in the early 2000 and after the first intifada. it is mainly the "illegal" stettling and further expanding israel that is the reason for the 2nd intifada and the mess now. israel does provoke a lot which is as unneccessary as hamas firing rockets.

having peace in the region also requires israel to show good will again. and they simply dont.

comparing israeli and german concentration camps is rediculous though and not a promising starter for a contentful debate.

[mongrel]

One can't compare military occupation with the industrial-scale slaughter of an entire people. This is not the way to criticise Israel's policies.

[danzig]

Photos cant lie? Who do you think you are kidding here, photos can be used to push forth the biggest lies ever because you can offer them without context as you yourself have done in this post. Which btw gojia has already posted the same picture in his jews are evil threads.

Ever wonder what a Palestinian family looks like when they end up becoming the collateral damage in an F-16 strike or an indiscriminate artillery barrage?

I imagine quite bad and yes indeed it is tragic but if you are trying to compare forcing people in gas chambers/ovens in anyway with collateral damage from an airstrike then you are being extremely foolish.