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    President Obama will unveil another component of his economic recovery plan in Mesa, Ariz., on Wednesday, targeting some $50 billion from the federal bank bailout program for subsidies to help troubled homeowners avoid defaulting on their mortgages.


    Unlike the $787 billion stimulus package (HR 1) Obama signed on Tuesday in Denver, the housing initiative does not require Congress' blessing, because the administration already has the authority to tap into the remaining $350 billion in the Treasury Department's bank bailout fund (PL 110-343).



    However it's expected to spur legislative efforts to help borrowers, including a proposal to modify the federal bankruptcy code so judges could alter terms for loans on primary residences, something they are currently barred from doing.



    While the financial crisis has spread far beyond the housing market, officials familiar with the administration's thinking say that reducing future foreclosures will eliminate some of the risk that has frozen credit markets, by reducing problem loans from banks' balance sheets and allowing investors to revalue the institutions.


    "The benefit is you eliminate some of the riskiest remaining mortgages and the market begins to reassess what's left," said Andrew Jacabovics, associate director of the economic mobility program at the Center for American Progress, a left-leaning think tank. "It's another way of bringing liquidity back -- by making banks' balance sheets healthier."


    More than 2.3 million loans went into foreclosure last year, an 81 percent increase over 2007. And more than half of the loans that were modified in the first quarter of 2008 were 30 days or more delinquent six months later.
    Democratic sources say providing subsidies to lower mortgage rates or cutting the principal owed by homeowners will be less expensive than waiting for the government to have to step in and pay guaranteed loans that go into default. Paying on the loss now also reduces the societal cost of the foreclosures.


    "Ten thousand people face foreclosure every day in this country," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday. "It's a problem that not only affects the individual homeowner and their family, but oftentimes has a direct impact to home values in the neighborhood that that house or homes are on. This is a tremendously important part of what the president believes has to be done next in order to move our economy forward."


    Officials wouldn't discuss details of the plan before Obama announces them. But one approach under consideration would adapt a mortgage modification program that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac unveiled in November that seeks to change loan terms so borrowers don't pay more than 38 percent of their monthly pre-tax salaries on their mortgages. Obama's plan might lower that plan to 31 percent, according to Democratic sources. To accomplish this, the government can extend the lifetime of loans, reduce the interest rate or postpone repayment on some of the principal. The cost would be split between the government and mortgage servicers.


    Borrowers facing the prospect of foreclosure would have to take an eligibility test and could qualify before their loans actually go into default.
    A number of large banks including JPMorgan Chase & Co., Citigroup Inc. and Bank of America Corp. have agreed to suspend foreclosures through March while the administration works out the details of the plan. The Office of Thrift Supervision has requested federally and state-chartered entities to likewise halt foreclosure proceedings on owner-occupied residences.


    As a presidential candidate, Obama called for the creation of a $10 billion fund to help homeowners avoid foreclosures and for changes in bankruptcy laws that would allow judges to modify mortgage terms. He opposed across-the-board freezes on foreclosures, saying such moves could prompt lenders to raise interest rates on new homeowners to make up for losses.
    By choosing Mesa to unveil the plan, Obama is journeying to one of the metropolitan areas hardest hit by the subprime mortgage crisis. The median price of a home stood at $140,000 in January -- a 35 percent decline from year-earlier figures, according to an Arizona State University study.
    Obama used campaign-style appearances in economically devastated Elkhart, Ind., Ft. Myers, Fla., and Peoria, Ill., last week to underscore the urgency of passing the stimulus package.



    The travel is part of a strategy to distance Obama from partisan battles inside the Beltway and portray himself as an outsider, even though he's now on the inside. Polls showed Obama's job-approval ratings during the stimulus debate hovered in the mid-60 percent range, even though only a narrow majority of Americans supported the stimulus plan.

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    So that $790 billion you just spent didn't really give any direct aid to ailing homeowners? Is ANY of that going to do anything to directly help us?

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    So that $790 billion you just spent didn't really give any direct aid to ailing homeowners? Is ANY of that going to do anything to directly help us?
    Well 400 million is going to STD prevention...and 25 million is going to new ATV trails...then there are lots of government jobs (payed for with money we don't have of course)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    Well 400 million is going to STD prevention...and 25 million is going to new ATV trails...then there are lots of government jobs (payed for with money we don't have of course)...
    Don't forget another 2% of it is going towards growing grass fields...

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    The big problem with any solution are the homeowners with no equity tied into the home. Any payment reductions should be interest rate changes or capitalization of of nonpayment amounts. The homeowner must still be responsible for the loan and adjustments. With nothing at risk, there is very little that can be done without damaging the banks and mortgage holders.

    We will need to wait for details on the proposal from the administration.

    Too much jiggering and the cost for new mortgages will go up and penalize the truly innocent.
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    Rejoice if you're on the margin. Even though you can make the payments if you pushed yourself, now you don't have to. Quit paying and the government will buy it for you. Don't be shocked when 50 billion turns into hundreds of billions.

    These ideas are starting to become insulting.
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    Wait, so the govt is bailing out people who should have never owned homes in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fieldmarshal View Post
    Wait, so the govt is bailing out people who should have never owned homes in the first place?
    Exactly...

    I mean, EVERYONE needs a place to live, but the real estate market was hoping to get a lot of low-income families into some real debt, so they could get !!!$$$!!! (what else is new?). So they told these families 'you can have "THIS" house!' And hey, if someone offered me a really nice place to live, I'd probably take it too! But, these families really had no business owning these houses, it's not like they didn't have the right to, but they couldn't afford it - or they just STOPPED making payments on it after a while. So that's a HUGE reason why the real estate market and the entire economy are in shambles.

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    It's only 10% of the market that is having trouble. And alot of that 10% weren't the families struggling to pay their home off, it was the people who bought 2 and 3 homes and are trying to flip them to make money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    It's only 10% of the market that is having trouble. And alot of that 10% weren't the families struggling to pay their home off, it was the people who bought 2 and 3 homes and are trying to flip them to make money.
    yeah, actually - you're right, forgot about that!

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    I'm quickly starting to lose trust in him. He had better pull miracles outta his ass in the next four years.
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    This is very simular to what John McCain proposed during the campaign, for those who have a decent memory.

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    Most people don't understand that if they file bankruptcy (which was made more difficult a couple years ago, but still entirely possible) they can remain in their homes as long as they make the payments, with the lender's approval. And almost always, and especially with the state of things now, they will do exactly that. Same with your car. And if you've eliminated the evil 18-30% interest, AND balance, on the credit cards, most people are then very able to keep up with their house and car payments.

    Retention of your home (again, as long as you make the payments) is guaranteed in states with a "homestead act".
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    But the current market has two problem areas, 1.) People who simply cannot make the payments because of increased rates and or loss of income 2.) "Underwater" loans where more money is owned on the house than its current market value, thus making foreclosure more lucrative for the owner and painfull for the loaner.


    It's only 10% of the market that is having trouble. And alot of that 10% weren't the families struggling to pay their home off, it was the people who bought 2 and 3 homes and are trying to flip them to make money.
    Thats missing the point. A falling housing market also effects the value of the other 90%. The real problem is the financial assests linked to the housing market are on the balance sheets of banks across the world. They've been chopped up and re-bundled so that that 10% is infecting a wide range of securities, and the falling value of the other 90% isn't helping either.

    McCain I think made a good point in that it is more efficient to simply prop-up the bad loans and gaurantee them in some way to reverse the instability from the bottom up, rather than dump money into the banks that are suffering from having the bad loans in their balance sheet. Its a treat-the-disease-not-the-symtoms argument, and I think it holds water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sphere View Post
    2.) "Underwater" loans where more money is owned on the house than its current market value, thus making foreclosure more lucrative for the owner and painfull for the loaner.
    This is not a great problem, unless you try to sell. As long as they remain in the home, making the payments, it really doesn't matter if the loan exceeds the value. It is akin to "losses" in the stock market....they are "losses" only if you sell at a loss. As long as you are still holding, it is a "paper loss".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Roman View Post
    I'm quickly starting to lose trust in him. He had better pull miracles outta his ass in the next four years.
    I lost trust in him two days after he got elected. It's going to get worse, you'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatos View Post
    I lost trust in him two days after he got elected. It's going to get worse, you'll see.
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    This is just plain retarded. The people who get in debt should pay them off themselves because if the government comes in and save their asses they will just continue their spending. This whole bailout plan is just so dumb they should give no money to anything and just let the market fix itself.
    These fine gentlemen's have thanks to their consistent idiotic posts have earned their place on my ignore list: mrmouth, The Illusionist, motiv-8, mongrel, azoth, thorn777 and elfdude. If you want to join their honourable rank you just have to post idiotic posts and you will get there in no time.

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    This is just plain retarded. The people who get in debt should pay them off themselves because if the government comes in and save their asses they will just continue their spending. This whole bailout plan is just so dumb they should give no money to anything and just let the market fix itself.
    Thats rather Hooverian (its a word, I think...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sphere View Post
    Thats rather Hooverian (its a word, I think...)
    Well i think it's a word but i can't find an definition(i assume it has something to do with Herbert Hoover but i can't really see how) so could you explain what it means ?
    These fine gentlemen's have thanks to their consistent idiotic posts have earned their place on my ignore list: mrmouth, The Illusionist, motiv-8, mongrel, azoth, thorn777 and elfdude. If you want to join their honourable rank you just have to post idiotic posts and you will get there in no time.

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    I wonder how much does the us have left?

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