Which country has the best Movies/Directors?

[Centurion Quintus]

The only good thing so far to come out of America is 'The Life Aquatic'.

Your joking?

I mean, there are so many amazing American films/Hollywood films.

Peter Weir - Fearless/Master-Commander
Ridley Scott - English, but American made, Hollywood, studio films.
Steven Soderbergh - Traffic/Oceans 11/12
Stephen Spielberg - Everything on earth. *tongue* ( I think everyone knows what he's made)

I mean even Gore Verbinski.

Theres a ton of talent here.

Anyway, regardging Night Watch, I hate those Underworld/Matrix/The Order/Constantine/Excorist 2 kind of devil/vimpire stuff.

I think it looks boring.

[Carsomyr]

Originally posted by ximan@Apr 12 2005, 03:02 PM
Ah, this is kind of sad, how Europe's cinema has so Hollywoodized. Russian cinema used to be some of the best of all time, and it looks like it starting to come under influence now. I can't really comment too much, but the trailer is just so americanized. Hopefully, the film will be better than what the previews show. The concept is interesting, but it looks to be too fx and violence driven, which really doesn't make a good film, especially Horror.

You say, "Americanized", and, "Hollywood-ized", as if it's bad. I think those you mentioned are actually pretty good and many people around the world would agree. However, it depends on what kind of films. It's crap out there like Triple X, Road Trip, Euro Trip, Battlefield: Earth, and many, many, TOO many more to count that is craptifying everything. It's people like Paul Anderson, director of Alien vs. Predator, Resident Evil, and other craptified films, that are the crapasauruses of the film industry. By the way, I call Paul Anderson 'Sh¡t Finger' because he turns everything he touches to sh¡t.

[ximan]

Peter Weir is Australian, and Scott is British. They make films with their style, not Hollywood's, that's why their films are good. Also, hollywoodized is bad. 95% of the films that come out of there are crap. I could make a list but it would go on too long.

[Kanaric]

There are plenty of good American movies like in any country there are terrible movies as well.

[Carsomyr]

Originally posted by ximan@Apr 12 2005, 03:24 PM
Peter Weir is Australian, and Scott is British. They make films with their style, not Hollywood's, that's why their films are good. Also, hollywoodized is bad. 95% of the films that come out of there are crap. I could make a list but it would go on too long.

95% of non Hollywood films are crap. What's your point?

Drexx: Btw, anyone heard anything about Romero's new zombie flick Land of the dead?

Edit: I found a cast list at least, still says in production though. It's cool he still uses Tom Savini heh.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418819/

The cast sucks.....

[ximan]

Originally posted by Kanaric@Apr 12 2005, 03:30 PM
There are plenty of good American movies like in any country there are terrible movies as well.

Yes, but they are massively produced here in sinful quantities. Thankfully, one day I'll be up there, balancing the good and the bad.


Um, Carsomyr, where'd you get that idea from? *tongue* Pretty ignorant I must say.

[Carsomyr]

Originally posted by ximan@Apr 12 2005, 03:38 PM
Um, Carsomyr, where'd you get that idea from? *tongue* Pretty ignorant I must say.

Um, prove me wrong?

[JokerRJA]

I mean, there are so many amazing American films/Hollywood films.

Peter Weir - Fearless/Master-Commander
Ridley Scott - English, but American made, Hollywood, studio films.
Steven Soderbergh - Traffic/Oceans 11/12
Stephen Spielberg - Everything on earth. ( I think everyone knows what he's made)

I mean even Gore Verbinski.

Theres a ton of talent here.

Hey! Don't forget the great George Lucas!

[ximan]

Originally posted by Carsomyr@Apr 12 2005, 03:44 PM
Um, prove me wrong?

Ok, well first of all, give me a list of non americanized European films that you feel are crap. Hell, even Japanese films.

[Centurion Quintus]

Peter Weir is Australian, and Scott is British. They make films with their style, not Hollywood's, that's why their films are good. Also, hollywoodized is bad. 95% of the films that come out of there are crap. I could make a list but it would go on too long.

ust because they aren't born here doesn't change that the films are American, and hollywood. They are all hollywood produced, acted, they all live and are influenced in AMERICA. AMERICAN FILMS.

[ximan]

Originally posted by Centurion Quintus@Apr 12 2005, 04:01 PM

ust because they aren't born here doesn't change that the films are American, and hollywood. They are all hollywood produced, acted, they all live and are influenced in AMERICA. AMERICAN FILMS.

Um, not really. Just because some rich Jewish business executives are paying for the film and picking the actors doesn't mean that the vision of the film was theirs. Scott and Weir have very distinct styles that most definitely do not originate from here.

Also, my list of favorite directors:
Akira Kurosawa
Alfred Hitchcock
Sergei M. Eisenstein
Ridley Scott
Milos Forman
Ingmar Bergman
Franco Zeffrelli
Stanley Kubrick
Hayao Miyazaki
Tim Burton

My main point is that there are good American directors, and good American films, but there are more European and Asian ones. The reason I find it obnoxious is because many pro-america members are so in love with their country, that they believe their country has the best everything, including music and movies, which they don't. The ratio of good to bad movies here is 1:20.

To rububula: Crandar posted this topic here, we didn't.

{mod note}Ximan, get your story straight, you and Centurion Quintus created this topic by threadjacking someone elses discussion of horror films. We just split the topic off for you to have some chance of finding a functional focus for your discussion. -crandar

[rububula]

Closed. This is just a hate-filled spam mess with no concievable purpose.

[Centurion Quintus]

Yes, i'm not saying that America has the best everything! Way to take it to the extreme! *tongue* I was saying, that more has come out of American filmmaking history than JUST one thing.

[rububula]

I realized I forgot to close this. If it stays on topic I'll leave it open, but if this turns into another "america v rest of the world" thread I'm closing it.

[hormiga]

Can't we all just get along!?!?!
:happy

I would say that in terms of numbers America has some of the most successful directors

Scorsese
Coppola
Spielberg
Lucas

Just to name a few. I think this is due to the length of time that the US has been making movies and the size of the industry, argueably the US has the biggest movie industry in the world. I think to say that any one country makes "better" movies is absurd. Many countries produce fine directors as well as crap directors. I like Kurosawa and many other Japanese directors but I have seen many Japanese movies that absolutly horrible. This is of course true of Hollywood, alot that comes out of there is crap but there are some outstanding gems.

I think this thread might be more productive if people just named favorite directors instead of claiming any one country makes better movies. After countries dont make movies, but directors do.

[Dirk Gently]

He's right. Most nations have a great cinematic history in some way or another, but even then it's a convoluted picture. For example -- Spielberg owes much to his Jewish Ancestry, Scorsese his Italian ancestry, and so forth. Directors make direct and large influences upon eachother, and like all other art it moves through phases and techniques where things go in and out of vogue -- the use of black and white for dramatic effect, for example.

Thus, the multi-national choices:

Kurosawa
Kitano
Ustinov
Spielberg
Kubrick
Son and Daughter Coppolla

Amongst hundreds, out of a hat. Mostly American I know, but America has most of the media attention in the west and so they leap to mind first.

[Centurion Quintus]

But when you take a director, you have to keep in mind the production.

Take Peter Jackson for example. Amazing Director. From New Zealand. Without New Line Cinema (American) NONE of the LoTR films ever would have happened.
And, the production company puts a lot of restrictions/regulations on the director, and the screenplay.
So just because the man/woman behind the camera is not American, it doesn't make the film their country's.

[Dirk Gently]

Or, Say, Crouching Tiger. Chinese actor and director, American money also. But this is to be expected and where the mullah comes from should not be the truest reflection upon the production of superior films, though prosperous nations obviously have more time for the arts.

[hormiga]

Who cares where a good movie or director comes from... honestly that is like saying:
FRENCH PRODUCES THE BEST PAINTERS!1!!one
Just because you happen to like Cezanne or Monet.

I appreciate good movies, if some one from Uzbekistan makes a good flick I will watch it and and tell people about it. If they make a flaming turd, well then I will just call it a flaming turd and move on.

[RusskiSoldat]

America does indeed make th best movies. France is second and Russia is not on the top, although the industry ahs begun to develop. Oh, and I saw nightwatch motnhs ago in Russia. Not only does it have awesome special effects, but the story sci-fi bestseller. It's like Lord of the Rings but more modern (takes place in present day Moscow) and darker (vampires, blood drinking, some gruesome injuries on people). It is great, and I can not wait for the sequel.