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  1. February 17, 2009, 08:21 AM #1
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    Default Democracy vs Republic

    I know this is undoubtedly a subject that has come up before, but I recently came across this video which I believe is spot on regarding forms of government, the political spectrum and the subject of this thread. It even mentions Rome, which is most fitting

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  2. February 17, 2009, 08:24 AM #2
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    Default Re: Democracy vs Republic

    a democratic republic allows change when it is needed but ensures that a tyranny of a simple majority cannot stand either.
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  3. February 17, 2009, 02:39 PM #3
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    Default Re: Democracy vs Republic

    a republic is a democracy, of sorts. It still involves the will of the people, just not directly. So what the US gov't is not is a direct democracy, but still a democratic set up.
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    Direct democracy is what the narrator means by democracy. The majority consdier the American system a democracy, therefore it is the definition of a democracy de facto.
    I like the explanation of anarchy, i thought all in all it was a good vid.
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    Proportionally Representative Democracy ftw.
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  6. February 17, 2009, 03:01 PM #6
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    Democracy > Republic (well, an American one, at least)
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  7. February 17, 2009, 07:24 PM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    Democracy > Republic (well, an American one, at least)
    a republic is a democracy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Roman View Post
    a republic is a democracy
    Not always...

    China is a Republic but not a democracy, as is Syria.
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  9. February 17, 2009, 07:42 PM #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Not always...

    China is a Republic but not a democracy, as is Syria.
    china is not a republic I think. It has the frame of a republic but not the essence. It's a classic oligarchy dictatorship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    china is not a republic I think. It has the frame of a republic but not the essence. It's a classic oligarchy dictatorship.
    Still a Republic as its leaders aren't hereditary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Not always...

    China is a Republic but not a democracy, as is Syria.
    no, they are republics in name, not in practice.

    a republic, as we can tell from its Latin name (res publica, a thing of the people) would indeed involved the will of the people, a principle shared by democracy (I forgot the original Greek meaning...people something)
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    Default Re: Democracy vs Republic

    This thread:

    Republics can be democracies.
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    The translation is actually similar to by the law
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Not always...

    China is a Republic but not a democracy, as is Syria.
    Under the dictionary definition, sure.
    But not the modern usage of the term. China and Syria are not true republics, regardless of what they call themselves.

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    democracy (I forgot the original Greek meaning...people something)
    Demos kratia, "rule of the people".
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    How about those terms are not mutually exclusive...
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    Default Re: Democracy vs Republic

    this comparision is way to abstract. You might wanna be more specific.

    like....parliamentary democracy vs US-style republic...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    this comparision is way to abstract. You might wanna be more specific.

    like....parliamentary democracy vs US-style republic...
    You mean Parliamentary vs Presidential Democracies, right?
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    Whats the differnce in Republic and Democratic? I know in Democracy we can vote and the pple are in power, but whats Republic? Simple answer plz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow-X4X View Post
    Whats the differnce in Republic and Democratic? I know in Democracy we can vote and the pple are in power, but whats Republic? Simple answer plz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow-X4X View Post
    Whats the differnce in Republic and Democratic? I know in Democracy we can vote and the pple are in power, but whats Republic? Simple answer plz.
    A Republic is any government with non-hereditary leadership.
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