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    http://www.comcast.net/articles/news...-USA-STIMULUS/

    WASHINGTON — The U.S. Congress, handing President Barack Obama a major legislative victory, approved on Friday a $787 billion stimulus bill that aims to rush emergency government spending and tax cuts to a nation in the grip of a severe recession.

    The Senate cast the final vote, 60-38, hours after the House of Representatives passed an identical bill, 246-183. The action capped weeks of arguing over how Congress could best stimulate an economy suffering a rising jobless rate of 7.6 percent and a banking crisis that has nearly frozen lending.

    "It will not fix our problems overnight," Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Daniel Inouye, a Hawaii Democrat, said shortly before the final vote began on the measure, closely watched by financial markets and governments around the world.

    But Inouye added, "It will begin the process ... it will give America confidence that we can overcome this crisis."

    The Senate voting was held open for several hours to await Ohio Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown's arrival in Washington to cast the 60th vote needed for passage. The White House arranged for a government plane to fly him back from services for his late mother in Ohio.

    Obama is expected to sign the bill into law soon, fulfilling a pledge to try to reverse the economic slide with a recipe that includes middle-class tax cuts, money for construction projects, help for the poor and unemployed and new investments in alternative energy.

    Democrats hope to save or create 3.5 million jobs.

    But the Democratic president, in office only since January 20, failed in his efforts to win over Republicans, who are a minority in Congress. Not a single House Republican voted for one of the biggest single spending bills in the nation's history and only three Republican senators backed it.

    "I think we need to appreciate that the bill is the largest change in domestic policy since the 1930s" said House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey, referring to heavy government investments.

    Republicans argued unsuccessfully for less government spending and more tax cuts.

    The final plan is split into 36 percent for tax cuts and 64 percent in spending and other provisions. That was close to the 40/60 split Obama had sought in his effort to jolt the economy, which he has warned could become a "catastrophe" without rapid government intervention.

    SPENDING SPREE?

    Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell complained the bill "is unlikely to have much stimulative effect." He said it could be just the beginning of a Democratic spending spree in which Obama might seek $50 billion to help avert some home mortgage foreclosures and possibly hundreds of billions of dollars more to dig the financial sector from its crisis.

    House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer chastised Republicans, saying they were sticking to the same economic precepts that proved a failure during the eight-year tenure of Republican President George W. Bush.

    The massive new government spending will add significantly to federal budget deficits already shattering records. According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the stimulus bill will increase next year's deficit alone by nearly $400 billion.

    But Democrats have argued that without the stimulus spending, the economy will decline further, leading to even slower revenues that contribute to higher budget deficits.

    The White House said it would take about a month for the money to start flowing. A primary concern for economists is that the stimulus will come too late to do much good in 2009, when many forecasters think full-year output will contract.

    "Unfortunately, the downward momentum in the economy is so steep that it is hard to see how the package can kick in quickly enough to make much difference to 2009," said Nigel Gault, chief U.S. economist at IHS Global Insight.

    The Democrats' quest for a new economic stimulus bill -- on top of the $162 billion one enacted a year ago -- actually began last July, when House leaders started crafting a much smaller measure of around $60 billion.

    Then-President George W. Bush and his fellow Republicans in Congress blocked that bill, saying it was not needed yet.

    As the economy got markedly worse, Democrats pushed for larger stimulus measures. At one point, Congress was considering a $937 billion bill.

    To win final passage, a group of Senate moderates crafted a compromise that shaved some of the tax-cut and spending provisions, finally arriving at the $787 billion bill, with most of the spending this year and next. The tax breaks are temporary.

    The final package includes about $500 billion in spending and money for social programs like the Medicaid health insurance program for the poor. It has about $287 billion in tax cuts that include small tax incentives to spur home and automobile sales as well as business tax deductions.

    Individuals would get a refundable tax credit championed by Obama of up to $400 per individual and $800 for couples in 2009 and 2010. It is phased out for individuals with adjusted incomes of over $75,000 and couples with incomes over $150,000.

    The measure includes almost $54 billion to help states with their budget deficits and to modernize schools, $27.5 billion for highway projects, $8.4 billion for public transportation and $9.3 billion for Amtrak and high-speed rail service.

    The final agreement also included limits on compensation for senior executives of companies receiving government aid from a $700 billion financial bailout, including restrictions on bonuses.
    More of the same... More money down the hole.... more debt

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    Default Re: Congress Passes Stimulus package

    It's scary enough that Chairman President Obuma Obama was in favor of the Porkulus Stimulus Package in the first place...


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    From what I understand of the stimulus package, it will do little to help the economy while driving us even deeper into debt. We are so screwed.

    It seems that Congress has shown us it's astounding wisdom and foresight in such matters yet again

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    Take it easy,

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    Default Re: Congress Passes Stimulus package

    Do you really think government cares about debt???

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    Default Re: Congress Passes Stimulus package

    Quote Originally Posted by Roths View Post
    Do you really think government cares about debt???
    No not right now, they will a couple years from now.

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    Default Re: Congress Passes Stimulus package

    We are already screwed..I say we all just seceed from the union.


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    We are already screwed..I say we all just seceed from the union.
    I'm down with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slurricane View Post
    We are already screwed..I say we all just seceed from the union.
    I'm sure that would help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nce_wht_guy View Post
    I'm sure that would help.
    They can't collect debt from a country that doesn't exist

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    Default Re: Congress Passes Stimulus package

    Huzzah, $787 billion dollars that don't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatos View Post
    Huzzah, $787 billion dollars that don't exist.
    That's not what the Federal Reserve says!
    Quote Originally Posted by Foreign Fruitcake View Post
    Heads up fellas, we are all in this together. Deficits be damned time rolls inexorably forward.... by many accounts the world is going to end December 2012 so what does it matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan
    Good for America. Anythign that makes them weaker, makes us stronger. Bravo Congress! Bravo!

    Now, just to get you to ban Christanity and everything would be hunky dory.
    Mm-hm, the day that happens is the day before the fanatical Evangelists' wet dreams come true.

    OT, this is madness A -load of cash gone to waste...gyaaargh

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    Good for America. Anythign that makes them weaker, makes us stronger. Bravo Congress! Bravo!

    Now, just to get you to ban Christanity and everything would be hunky dory.

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    Good for America. Anythign that makes them weaker, makes us stronger. Bravo Congress! Bravo!

    Now, just to get you to ban Christanity and everything would be hunky dory.


    Your post's are always entertaining.

    But for the sake of argument, how does Americas financial troubles and specifically the failings of this stimulus package positively effect Pakistan? it is a global economy after all.

    Take it easy,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gertrudius! View Post


    Your post's are always entertaining.

    But for the sake of argument, how does Americas financial troubles and specifically the failings of this stimulus package positively effect Pakistan? it is a global economy after all.

    Take it easy,
    Did I say it effected Pakistan? No I didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    Did I say it effected Pakistan? No I didn't.
    *looks at sig

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadratus View Post
    *looks at sig
    Your point being/ Oh no, am I supposed to be amazed you're an america?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    Good for America. Anythign that makes them weaker, makes us stronger. Bravo Congress! Bravo!

    Now, just to get you to ban Christanity and everything would be hunky dory.
    Islam, rofl. All you guys will do is scream "Allah Ahkbar" and cry about being repressed and offended.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    Good for America. Anythign that makes them weaker, makes us stronger. Bravo Congress! Bravo!

    Now, just to get you to ban Christanity and everything would be hunky dory.
    what a professional troll.

    let me tell you this son: even if America gets nuked 100 times, it's still better being American than Pakistani.
    Have a question about China? Get your answer here.

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    Default Re: Congress Passes Stimulus package

    Back on topic, I do disagree with a lot of the spending in the stimulus bill. However, I find it slightly ironic that people who are complaining about debt are also supporters of W. and Reagan.

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