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    Below is the speech that Mr. Wilders would have delivered had the U.K.'s knees been stronger.
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    London, Feb. 12, 2009

    Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much.

    Thank you for inviting me. Thank you Lord Pearson and Lady Cox for showing Fitna, and for your gracious invitation. While others look away, you, seem to understand the true tradition of your country, and a flag that still stands for freedom.

    This is no ordinary place. This is not just one of England’s tourist attractions. This is a sacred place. This is the mother of all Parliaments, and I am deeply humbled to speak before you.

    The Houses of Parliament is where Winston Churchill stood firm, and warned — all throughout the 1930’s — for the dangers looming. Most of the time he stood alone.

    In 1982 President Reagan came to the House of Commons, where he did a speech very few people liked. Reagan called upon the West to reject communism and defend freedom. He introduced a phrase: ‘evil empire’. Reagan’s speech stands out as a clarion call to preserve our liberties. I quote: If history teaches anything, it teaches self-delusion in the face of unpleasant facts is folly.

    What Reagan meant is that you cannot run away from history, you cannot escape the dangers of ideologies that are out to destroy you. Denial is no option.

    Communism was indeed left on the ash heap of history, just as Reagan predicted in his speech in the House of Commons. He lived to see the Berlin Wall coming down, just as Churchill witnessed the implosion of national-socialism.

    Today, I come before you to warn of another great threat. It is called Islam. It poses as a religion, but its goals are very worldly: world domination, holy war, sharia law, the end of the separation of church and state, the end of democracy. It is not a religion, it is a political ideology. It demands you respect, but has no respect for you.

    There might be moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam. Islam will never change, because it is build on two rocks that are forever, two fundamental beliefs that will never change, and will never go away. First, there is Quran, Allah’s personal word, uncreated, forever, with orders that need to be fulfilled regardless of place or time. And second, there is al-insal al-kamil, the perfect man, Muhammad the role model, whose deeds are to be imitated by all Muslims. And since Muhammad was a warlord and a conqueror we know what to expect.
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    Islam means submission, so there cannot be any mistake about its goal. That’s a given. The question is whether the British people, with its glorious past, is longing for that submission.

    We see Islam taking off in the West at an incredible speed. The United Kingdom has seen a rapid growth of the number of Muslims. Over the last ten years, the Muslim population has grown ten times as fast as the rest of society. This has put an enormous pressure on society. Thanks to British politicians who have forgotten about Winston Churchill, the English now have taken the path of least resistance. They give up. They give in.

    Thank you very much for letting me into the country. I received a letter from the Secretary of State for the Home Department, kindly disinviting me. I would threaten community relations, and therefore public security in the UK, the letter stated.

    For a moment I feared that I would be refused entrance. But I was confident the British government would never sacrifice free speech because of fear of Islam. Britannia rules the waves, and Islam will never rule Britain, so I was confident the Border Agency would let me through. And after all, you have invited stranger creatures than me. Two years ago the House of Commons welcomed Mahmoud Suliman Ahmed Abu Rideh, linked to Al Qaeda. He was invited to Westminster by Lord Ahmed, who met him at Regent’s Park mosque three weeks before. Mr. Rideh, suspected of being a money man for terror groups, was given a SECURITY sticker for his Parliamentary visit.

    Well, if you let in this man, than an elected politician from a fellow EU country surely is welcome here too. By letting me speak today you show that Mr Churchill’s spirit is still very much alive. And you prove that the European Union truly is working; the free movement of persons is still one of the pillars of the European project.

    But there is still much work to be done. Britain seems to have become a country ruled by fear. A country where civil servants cancel Christmas celebrations to please Muslims. A country where Sharia Courts are part of the legal system. A country where Islamic organizations asked to stop the commemoration of the Holocaust. A country where a primary school cancels a Christmas nativity play because it interfered with an Islamic festival. A country where a school removes the words Christmas and Easter from their calendar so as not to offend Muslims. A country where a teacher punishes two students for refusing to pray to Allah as part of their religious education class. A country where elected members of a town council are told not to eat during daylight hours in town hall meetings during the Ramadan. A country that excels in its hatred of Israel, still the only democracy in the Middle-East. A country whose capitol is becoming ‘Londonistan’.

    I would not qualify myself as a free man. Four and a half years ago I lost my freedom. I am under guard permanently, courtesy to those who prefer violence to debate. But for the leftist fan club of Islam, that is not enough. They started a legal procedure against me. Three weeks ago the Amsterdam Court of Appeal ordered my criminal prosecution for making ‘Fitna’ and for my views on Islam. I committed what George Orwell called a ‘thought crime’.

    You might have seen my name on Fitna’s credit role, but I am not really responsible for that movie. It was made for me. It was actually produced by Muslim extremists, the Quran and Islam itself. If Fitna is considered ‘hate speech’, then how would the Court qualify the Quran, with all its calls for violence, and hatred against women and Jews?

    Mr. Churchill himself compared the Quran to Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf. Well, I did exactly the same, and that is what they are prosecuting me for.

    I wonder if the UK ever put Mr. Churchill on trail.

    The Court’s decision and the letter I received form the Secretary of State for the Home Department are two major victories for all those who detest freedom of speech. They are doing Islam’s dirty work. Sharia by proxy. The differences between Saudi-Arabia and Jordan on one hand and Holland and Britain are blurring. Europe is now on the fast track of becoming Eurabia. That is apparently the price we have to pay for the project of mass immigration, and the multicultural project.

    Ladies and gentlemen, the dearest of our many freedoms is under attack. In Europe, freedom of speech is no longer a given. What we once considered a natural component of our existence is now something we again have to fight for. That is what is at stake. Whether or not I end up in jail is not the most pressing issue. The question is: Will free speech be put behind bars?

    We have to defend freedom of speech.

    For the generation of my parents the word ‘London’ is synonymous with hope and freedom. When my country was occupied by the national-socialists the BBC offered a daily glimpse of hope, in the darkness of Nazi tyranny. Millions of my country men listened to it, illegally. The words ‘This Is London’ were a symbol for a better world coming soon. If only the British and Canadian and American soldiers were here.

    What will be transmitted forty years from now? Will it still be ‘This Is London’? Or will it be ‘this is Londonistan’? Will it bring us hope, or will it signal the values of Mecca and Medina? Will Britain offer submission or perseverance? Freedom or slavery?

    The choice is ours.

    Ladies and gentlemen,

    We will never apologize for being free. We will never give in. We will never surrender.

    Freedom must prevail, and freedom will prevail.

    Thank you very much.

    Geert Wilders MP
    Chairman, Party for Freedom (PVV)
    The Netherlands

    What do you think about the content of his speech?

    I love these passsages

    "You might have seen my name on Fitna’s credit role, but I am not really responsible for that movie. It was made for me. It was actually produced by Muslim extremists, the Quran and Islam itself. If Fitna is considered ‘hate speech’, then how would the Court qualify the Quran, with all its calls for violence, and hatred against women and Jews?

    Mr. Churchill himself compared the Quran to Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf. Well, I did exactly the same, and that is what they are prosecuting me for."

    I never really thought about how Wilders never produced that film really. He had no actors, no staged events, just taped events and quotes.
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    This is just the outward manifestation of a british policy that is more in tune with self-loathing than with pride of their own country and ancestors.

    Donning the turban rather than knighting the patriots, in other words.
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    Why the new thread? Is it because of the ass-kicking you are getting from us Brits and our Dutch allies* in the Wilders thread.


    Churchill did not compare the Koran with Mein Kampf. In his book "From War to War" he said and i quote "the new Koran of faith and war: turgid, verbose, shapeless, but pregnant with its message."
    Basically it means that the Nazis would treat the book as an evangelical tool and an article of faith. Its like saying that the O2 is a Mecca for rock fans or PC format is the bible for tech-heads. Do you bother checking your sources or not? I can't be asked to debunk the other lies and half-truths contained in the speech for now.

    Mods please merge threads, no new material here.

    *Mmmm, shades of King William here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyrus View Post
    This is just the outward manifestation of a british policy that is more in tune with self-loathing than with pride of their own country and ancestors.

    Donning the turban rather than knighting the patriots, in other words.
    Guess you haven't followed the other thread, we Brits don't take too kindly to foreigners telling us who we should be racist too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    we Brits don't take too kindly to foreigners telling us who we should be racist too.
    Considering Islam isn't a race that would be hard to do. Nice strawman and complete ignorance of the word racism or the issues that are being discussed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    Considering Islam isn't a race that would be hard to do. Nice strawman and complete ignorance of the word racism or the issues that are being discussed.
    Point remains. I don't see Geert being concerned about poles, Romanians or Americans. The issue is whether we should chuck out undesirables. the people of Britain have spoken. And why the new thread? I can only think it is because of the total thumping you lot are getting.

    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    Wilders' opinion is legitimate.

    And Turkish Sultan all you have done is prove him right with that statement.
    It is and so is our sovereign right to bar any undesirables from entering our country.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    No metter what this Geert says. Is that even a name. He should be called Goat. Anyway, too bad, too late. We are here and islam will spread. The Eurbia is going ot come true so all those who won't wanna stay better flee to America. Cause Europe is now ours.
    Don't be bloody silly .
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Point remains. I don't see Geert being concerned about poles, Romanians or Americans. The issue is whether we should chuck out undesirables. the people of Britain have spoken. And why the new thread? I can only think it is because of the total thumping you lot are getting.
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    No, the point don't remain, there ain't nothin' to do with racism in this issue. So thats a huge chunk of your ignorant and ill-thought arguement gone.
    Should we chuck out undesirables? Undesirable for what? For criticizing a book?

    Please man, at least learn some definitions of basic terminology before you get involved in the arguement.
    Last edited by VALIS; February 13, 2009 at 07:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    No, the point don't remain, there ain't nothin' to do with racism in this issue. So thats a huge chunk of your ignorant and ill-thought arguement gone.
    Should we chuck out undesirables? Undesirable for what? For criticizing a book?

    Please man, at least learn some definitions of basic terminology before you get involved in the arguement.
    We chuck out mysogynist rap singers and homophobic reggae singers and dodgyislamic clerics. All morons just like like Wilders . I don't see wilders telling white people what to wear, or asking them to destroy parts of the Bible or the Torah. When he does, you may have a point.

    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    I criticise the book too. I wonder if the UK will ban me?
    You are not a professional pain in the arse, merely an amateur one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    No, the point don't remain, there ain't nothin' to do with racism in this issue. So thats a huge chunk of your ignorant and ill-thought arguement gone.
    Should we chuck out undesirables? Undesirable for what? For criticizing a book?

    Please man, at least learn some definitions of basic terminology before you get involved in the arguement.
    Oh no, the Duke used the all crushing "it ain't racism cuz it don't be about races and yo" card.

    By saying that he is attacking a "faith" you assume that all people who call themselves moslems or are of an origin that is part of the Islamic world subscribe to his view of what the faith is. Which says that any person who call themselves a moslem is contributing to Wilders' personal perversion of Islam. This is racist.
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    No metter what this Geert says. Is that even a name. He should be called Goat. Anyway, too bad, too late. We are here and islam will spread. The Eurbia is going ot come true so all those who won't wanna stay better flee to America. Cause Europe is now ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    No metter what this Geert says. Is that even a name. He should be called Goat. Anyway, too bad, too late. We are here and islam will spread. The Eurbia is going ot come true so all those who won't wanna stay better flee to America. Cause Europe is now ours.

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    I don't know enough about the religion to label it anything. What I do know is that the huge majority of Muslims mean nobody any harm. So that speaks volumes.

    However I think a portion of the Western world needs to get a whole lot more serious about radical Islam. I think the UK and Europe are in dire need of being slapped back into reality. As does the entire world, in the sense that worrying about peoples feelings instead of stating the obvious is going to get people killed.

    In the end people will unfortunately have to die before that happens. Which is fairly amazing considering the history both the UK and Europe have with terrorism.

    A country like Germany can argue whether Afghanistan is in their best interests, when their country has played host to a good amount of terrorists planning the deaths of people, mostly innocent people, on various continents.

    The UK can protect Muslim protesters who intimidate and threaten their police force, but cant seem to address the elephant in the room that is a Sharia law within its borders.

    And France will continue to take one step forward, and one step back. Forever wavering.

    This is what they are counting on. Our wavering, walk on eggshells, as not to offend anyone, BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    No metter what this Geert says. Is that even a name. He should be called Goat. Anyway, too bad, too late. We are here and islam will spread. The Eurbia is going ot come true so all those who won't wanna stay better flee to America. Cause Europe is now ours.
    You are operating under the following assumptions:
    - Muslim birth rates will continue at an unsustainable rate.
    - Muslims want Islamism.
    - Muslims will unite politically behind Islamism.
    - Secularism and integration will be defeated in the next two generations (it will take that long to overtake the non-Muslims).
    - The non-Muslim populations will sit back and let you do it.
    - America will let you do it.
    - Achieving a pan-European Islamist republic is possible.
    - Achieving a stable European Islamist state with a chunk of the population loyal to democracy is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishHitman View Post
    You are operating under the following assumptions:
    - Muslim birth rates will continue at an unsustainable rate.
    - Muslims want Islamism.
    - Muslims will unite politically behind Islamism.
    - Secularism and integration will be defeated in the next two generations (it will take that long to overtake the non-Muslims).
    - The non-Muslim populations will sit back and let you do it.
    - America will let you do it.
    - Achieving a pan-European Islamist republic is possible.
    - Achieving a stable European Islamist state with a chunk of the population loyal to democracy is possible.
    Oh I think we have ways of acheiving Eurabia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    Oh I think we have ways of acheiving Eurabia.
    If you mean by force of arms, you'll find Europe the most bloodied continent on the planet. You have not tasted war on a scale that we have.
    An attempt at violence to overthrow democracy would be put down so easily and so hard, that the notion would be destroyed.

    Europe has been relatively peaceful for the past 50 years.
    You do not want to open the nationalist, war-hungry can of worms that an attack of scale would bring.

    I disagree with you that Muslim birth rates will continue to grow. Birth rates are primarily built upon available capital. That means when you are living in the mideast and the only capital is a ho, 47 guys will do you more good. In the west, education and equipment actually tends to depress growth rates and as the muslims get educated and get into jobs that pay more you'll see birth rates decline.
    They are moving to Europe.
    Europe has education and equipment.

    Provided education isn't continued in the religiously segregated manner it is in many countries, the birth rate should level off in time. Never mind the fact that not all those births are going to be to fundamentalist whackos who believe in Islamism (the political Islam).

    Well, I don't really know why the vast majority of atheists focus on Christianity to attack, perhaps in the future that will shift to Islam.

    I've raised this point with other atheists before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishHitman View Post
    You are operating under the following assumptions:
    - Muslim birth rates will continue at an unsustainable rate.
    - Muslims want Islamism.
    - Muslims will unite politically behind Islamism.
    - Secularism and integration will be defeated in the next two generations (it will take that long to overtake the non-Muslims).
    - The non-Muslim populations will sit back and let you do it.
    - America will let you do it.
    - Achieving a pan-European Islamist republic is possible.
    - Achieving a stable European Islamist state with a chunk of the population loyal to democracy is possible.
    I disagree with you that Muslim birth rates will continue to grow. Birth rates are primarily built upon available capital. That means when you are living in the mideast and the only capital is a ho, 47 guys will do you more good. In the west, education and equipment actually tends to depress growth rates and as the muslims get educated and get into jobs that pay more you'll see birth rates decline.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan
    No metter what this Geert says. Is that even a name. He should be called Goat. Anyway, too bad, too late. We are here and islam will spread. The Eurbia is going ot come true so all those who won't wanna stay better flee to America. Cause Europe is now ours.
    Epic fail on a level I have not seen before.

    Oh I think we have ways of acheiving Eurabia.
    If the Islamic world tries to violently invade Europe, I bet you 10 USD that Mecca will be a smoldering, lifeless and heavily irradiated ruin by the end of the week.

    OT...the guy's (Wilders') opinion may be full of - still, he should have been allowed to express it (and subsequently make himself look like a fool), not shut down and turned into a political martyr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    No metter what this Geert says. Is that even a name. He should be called Goat. Anyway, too bad, too late. We are here and islam will spread. The Eurbia is going ot come true so all those who won't wanna stay better flee to America. Cause Europe is now ours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    No metter what this Geert says. Is that even a name. He should be called Goat. Anyway, too bad, too late. We are here and islam will spread. The Eurbia is going ot come true so all those who won't wanna stay better flee to America. Cause Europe is now ours.
    Priceless ranting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    No metter what this Geert says. Is that even a name. He should be called Goat. Anyway, too bad, too late. We are here and islam will spread. The Eurbia is going ot come true so all those who won't wanna stay better flee to America. Cause Europe is now ours.
    Stop being so naive, if it get's that far, believe me they'll be a fight for you lot in the waiting and we won't be the ones losing.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    No matter even if I talk to him poliety, Goat will always cry about how I attack his stupid culture all day long. Of course I'm not stupid, i'd love to have him come to any of our fine muslim country. I'm sure that he'll be leaving them with a peice of himself remaining.
    If you mean violence by that, that would be simply justifying his claims about it in the 1st place wouldn't it?
    Plus, imagine Geert getting into Saudi Arabia???
    FLMAO, not a cats chance in that is there.
    They are the most anti any other religeon then any country in the world.
    It's either Isl;am or nothing there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    No metter what this Geert says. Is that even a name. He should be called Goat. Anyway, too bad, too late. We are here and islam will spread. The Eurbia is going ot come true so all those who won't wanna stay better flee to America. Cause Europe is now ours.
    You aren't doing your religion any favours by saying such things. In fact, you're probably going to end up damaging your religion's acceptance in Europe by acting like this. White Christian and Atheist Europeans, the people who still form the majority of Europe's population, will have no tolerance for Islamist extremist, especially in the wake of the crimes commited by extremist groups such as the Taliban and al-Qaida. So if you wish for Muslims to have any place in a Western country where human rights and the rule of law actually means something, I suggest you forget such foolish, mistaken thoughts as Europe being yours, as you are just dead wrong. Your kind will get Islam destroyed in Europe eventually, mark my words, your kind are the sort that make people hate Muslims, even those who aren't like you. The only way Islam will be accepted in the West will be as a moderate religion. Notice how all the major Christian faiths are moderates, not extremists. Of course, there are Christian extremists by all means (The Westboro Baptist Church stands out), but they are small, borderline groups. So too must it be with Islam. We will accept Muslims and some of their beliefs, but they too must accept us and our beliefs. This is the only way for multiculturalism to work properly.

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