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    Earlier I claimed that Obuma was bringing back National fascism and was told it was all hyperbole. Well lets look at his idol and model

    Until Abyssinia, Mussolini was hailed as a genius and a superman on both sides of the Atlantic, primarily because of his economic and social policies. When FDR was inaugurated in March 1933, the world was praising Mussolini’s success in avoiding the Great Depression. Roosevelt and his “Brain Trust,” the architects of the New Deal, were fascinated by Italy’s fascism—a term which was not perjorative at the time. In America, it was seen as a form of economic nationalism built around consensus planning by the established elites in government, business, and labor.
    The most radical aspect of the New Deal was the National Industrial Recovery Act, passed in June 1933, which set up the National Recovery Administration. Most industries were forced into cartels. Codes that regulated prices and terms of sale transformed much of the American economy. The industrial and agricultural life of the country was to be organized by government into vast farm and industrial cartels. This was corporatism, the essence of fascism.
    It may be argued that Roosevelt simply did what seemed politically expedient. But contemporaries knew what was in the making. Some liked it: Charles Beard freely admitted that “FDR accepts the inexorable collectivism of the American economy . . . national planning in industry, business, agriculture and government.” But detractors existed even within his own party. Democratic Sen. Carter Glass of Virginia denounced the NRA as “the utterly dangerous effort of the federal government at Washington to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this nation.”

    FDR’s New Deal united communists and fascists. Union leader Sidney Hillman praised Lenin as “one of the few great men that the human race has produced, one of the greatest statesmen of our age and perhaps of all ages.” Big-business partisan Gen. Hugh Johnson wanted America to imitate the “dynamic pragmatism” of Mussolini. Together, Hillman and Johnson developed the National Labor Relations Board. They shared a collectivist and authoritarian aversion for historical American principles of liberty.

    Like fascist and communist dictators, Roosevelt relied on his own charisma, carefully and deceitfully developed, and the executive power of his office to stroke the electorate into compliance and to bludgeon his critics. His welfare projects went far beyond aid to the poor and wound up bribing whole sectors of American society—farmers, businessmen, banks, intellectuals—into dependence on him and the state he created. Through subsidies, wrote Richard Hofstadter, “a generation of artists and intellectuals became wedded to the New Deal and devoted to Rooseveltian liberalism.” Their corrupted descendants still thrive through federal endowments for the arts and humanities and in politically correct, federally funded academia. The only practical difference between FDR and fascist dictators was that he was far less successful in resolving the economic crisis. He made the Depression worse and even prolonged it. When he was elected, there were 11.6 million unemployed; seven years later, there were still 11.3 million out of work. In 1932, there were 16.6 million on relief; in 1939, there were 19.6 million. Only the war eventually ended the depression
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    In the North American Review in 1934, the progressive writer Roger Shaw described the New Deal as “Fascist means to gain liberal ends.” He wasn’t hallucinating. FDR’s adviser Rexford Tugwell wrote in his diary that Mussolini had done “many of the things which seem to me necessary.” Lorena Hickok, a close confidante of Eleanor Roosevelt who lived in the White House for a spell, wrote approvingly of a local official who had said, “If [President] Roosevelt were actually a dictator, we might get somewhere.” She added that if she were younger, she’d like to lead “the Fascist Movement in the United States.” At the National Recovery Administration (NRA), the cartel-creating agency at the heart of the early New Deal, one report declared forthrightly, “The Fascist Principles are very similar to those we have been evolving here in America.

    Roosevelt himself called Mussolini “admirable” and professed that he was “deeply impressed by what he has accomplished.”...
    Today the government is buying up private companies and telling them how to run their business. I see little if any difference here. Only the means of taking over production differ. But even there there are striking similarities.
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    So, did you guys hear Barack Obama is going to outlaw Christianity?
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    I dont know what a facist is. Now, if you mean fascist, well, no.
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    I think of him more of a Communist than fascist.

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    I think of him more of a Communist than fascist.
    Not much difference really. Its all about the government controlling everything. Call it what you like. Communism claims that the people run everything. Thats a lie its the government. Fascism says industry runs everything. Thats also a lie. Its still the government.
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    If I were to pick between the two extremes of the conventional political spectrum, I'd still have to say Obama is closer to being a Commie than a Blackshirt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    Not much difference really. Its all about the government controlling everything. Call it what you like. Communism claims that the people run everything. Thats a lie its the government. Fascism says industry runs everything. Thats also a lie. Its still the government.
    You should kick his commie-loving ass, dude! I'll be behind ya 100% of the way!


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    All I have to say is...yes.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    Not much difference really. Its all about the government controlling everything. Call it what you like. Communism claims that the people run everything. Thats a lie its the government. Fascism says industry runs everything. Thats also a lie. Its still the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    Not much difference really. Its all about the government controlling everything. Call it what you like. Communism claims that the people run everything. Thats a lie its the government. Fascism says industry runs everything. Thats also a lie. Its still the government.
    Free market capitalism is same as fascism and communism as well, because financial elites run everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volh Vseslavich View Post
    Free market capitalism is same as fascism and communism as well, because financial elites run everything.
    thats not communism really...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    Not much difference really. Its all about the government controlling everything. Call it what you like. Communism claims that the people run everything. Thats a lie its the government. Fascism says industry runs everything. Thats also a lie. Its still the government.
    Rush buddy, wake up. This is America. *IF* what you fear is true, in 4 years he will be replaced. Or sooner if he violates laws.

    You used to be a Marine. Let's just say you still were, and ordered to harm American citizens by a President who the populace was claiming was veering in such a direction....would you do it? Of course you wouldn't. And if fact would be duty bound not to.

    And if the populace didn't feel that way, didn't agree with you, then what is transpiring is indeed the will of the people....the way it is supposed to be.

    If he's going to trip up, then he will, but it surely won't come to pass because YOU are claiming he's the next Hitler...Mussolini...Darth Vader..whatever.

    You should lighten up a little I would say, and ride a little more confidently in the direction the majority of Americans want to be riding right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    Not much difference really. Its all about the government controlling everything. Call it what you like. Communism claims that the people run everything. Thats a lie its the government. Fascism says industry runs everything. Thats also a lie. Its still the government.
    QFT.

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    Until Obama has a coup de grace like the Patriot Act or tapping people's phones or Gitmo, he shouldn't be called a fascist, especially in comparison with Bush.
    He will sign it Monday

    learn to ing spell next time.

    what the is a "Facist"?
    My finger missed the s big deal. Maybe I should give it to you If thats all can complain about go away . Sheeeesh.
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    First a Commie, then a Socialist, now a Fascist.

    Pick one and stick with it already man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    Earlier I claimed that Obuma was bringing back National fascism and was told it was all hyperbole. Well lets look at his idol and model





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    Today the government is buying up private companies and telling them how to run their business. I see little if any difference here. Only the means of taking over production differ. But even there there are striking similarities.
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    The cult of personality he has achieved does actually sometimes remind me of Hitler and Stalin...




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    Quote Originally Posted by razor- View Post
    The cult of personality he has achieved does actually sometimes remind me of Hitler and Stalin...
    It also reminds me of Jesus.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    It also reminds me of Jesus.
    So a man who tried to exterminate millions vs a man who killed millions of people vs a man who inspired people to kill millions of people. Interesting company

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