Blockading ports = money for me?

[Pink Beard]

Hey I have a question I saw someone mentioning it in his AAR but does blockading someones port earns you cash? (besides missions).
As far as I know it only costs money to the one blockaded and it usually has so minor impact it is unnecesarry... IMO the enemy won't be weaker if they lose 40 fl. a turn because I blockade their port...
(now that I'm thinking of it, it only costs you more money for having expensive fleets then they are losing due to the blockade!)

Would be cool if it earned something...

[Spartan90]

You only earn money by blockading ports from missions. But blockading ports is a very useful strategy, especially against sea-faring, trade-based empires. If you manage to blockade the main trading ports of the Venetian Empire, you would severely cripple their economy. Excluding the capital Venice itself, the empire has very poor resources to trade over land, and therefore relies heavily on maritime trade to keep its empire up and running.

In conclusion, blockading ports will generate no money for you. But do not underestimate its uses.

[Pink Beard]

If you manage to blockade the main trading ports of the Venetian Empire, you would severely cripple their economy.

u mean the 100 fl. they would miss out each turn?... seriously I've found little uses for building a fleet besides just smuggler runners (cheap 1 unit fleets that transport my armies in either 1 turn or end their turn by putting the army on a piece of land and pick it up next turn, if not sunk)

[CatharticMoment]

It's hard to justify blockading when fighting catholic v catholic. Whilst it's militarily useful, the papal reputation hit from repeatedly attacking seems to make blockading prohibitively expensive to me.

If I'm going to take a papal reputation hit, then I want to walk away with a new city.

[Silent Assassin]

Hey I have a question I saw someone mentioning it in his AAR but does blockading someones port earns you cash? (besides missions).
As far as I know it only costs money to the one blockaded and it usually has so minor impact it is unnecesarry... IMO the enemy won't be weaker if they lose 40 fl. a turn because I blockade their port...
(now that I'm thinking of it, it only costs you more money for having expensive fleets then they are losing due to the blockade!)

Would be cool if it earned something...

Blocading ports dosen't give money to the blocader, only if a mission is involved, For the amount of money they lose is alot more than that, Playing Sicily right now and HRE are blocading my Naples port and I'm losing 2000 florins per turn.

Are you playing a Mod??

[Nazgûl Killer]

Pink, I've gotten to point in which I got over 10K in JUST sea-trade. It's not 100 florins per turn, it's more like 500, it depends what faction you're playing, which port you have, if you have a warehouse, where the port is located and so on and so on.

[Pink Beard]

well I'm playing the new Kingdoms Grand Campaign mod but i've noticed it in vanilla too... currently the Teutonic Order is blockading my port (i'm Lithuania) And i'm losing... -53... seriously i don't wanna sink that Teutonic ship as it costs them almost 100 more (150) to upkeep

[eisenkopf]

I think you can't compare the blocade of AI and human player's ports. For a human player, it can be very inconvenient, as Rebel pointed out. For the AI, it does not matter that much, because it cannot handle money or trade anyway and is always broke. And the mods that improve the AI usually do so (among other stuff) by giving it some money via a script. This won't be affected by blocading a port. So, while in reality it was a very effective tactic, it's worthless in game (at least for the human player).

[Pink Beard]

I think you can't compare the blocade of AI and human player's ports. For a human player, it can be very inconvenient, as Rebel pointed out. For the AI, it does not matter that much, because it cannot handle money or trade anyway and is always broke. And the mods that improve the AI usually do so (among other stuff) by giving it some money via a script. This won't be affected by blocading a port. So, while in reality it was a very effective tactic, it's worthless in game (at least for the human player).

omg finally someone who gets my point! They should've made port blockading be something with a big impact on the trade economy. Not only will a foreign fleet blockade trade they may also capture/threaten and ransom citizens as well as capturing trade ships (wich should be worth a couple of $$)

[Emperor Basil]

omg finally someone who gets my point! They should've made port blockading be something with a big impact on the trade economy. Not only will a foreign fleet blockade trade they may also capture/threaten and ransom citizens as well as capturing trade ships (wich should be worth a couple of $$)

But as Rebel6666 pointed out the AI can't handle it.

[Cleitanious]

Blockading ports works just fine, its the way that the Ai works that's flawed. Against a player though, blocking ports can make a huge difference because sea trade is very valuable.

[Viking Prince]

It is possible to gain from the blockade of an enemy port. The broken trade routes may now trade with one of your ports instead. Of course, this presupposes that you are not at war with the trade partners, that you are not already connected to the ports inquestion, etc.

[Pink Beard]

It is possible to gain from the blockade of an enemy port. The broken trade routes may now trade with one of your ports instead. Of course, this presupposes that you are not at war with the trade partners, that you are not already connected to the ports inquestion, etc.

Seriously? So there is something to gain after all!

+rep (If i can)

[eisenkopf]

@ pink beard

maybe i got your point because we think similarly in these matters? just look at our avatars

@viking prince

good point! but it seems a chancey (is that a word?) advantage - if only one could choose the trade routes directly. then you could block enemy trade routes to wealthy cities (think antioch, for example) and establish your own.

[Spartan90]

[quote=eisenkopf;4442717if only one could choose the trade routes directly. then you could block enemy trade routes to wealthy cities (think antioch, for example) and establish your own.[/quote]

Oh, I'm drooling at the thought of being able to do something like that

[StalkAndStrike]

good trhead I was wondering that 2

[Double A]

If you block islands, Venice, or Constanople early game, you seriously up the owner's economy.

[Pink Beard]

If you block islands, Venice, or Constanople early game, you seriously up the owner's economy.

Well, as stated before, for the player it's only a minor nuisance and for the AI it doesn't matter (especially in mods) because the AI is so retarded it can't even handle money.
The only thing modders can do to make it a bit "challanging" is to give them HUGE loads of cash. So for the 500fl Constantinople would lose they get an additional 5000 .
Seriously if I would get an additional money-script I would just steamroll Europe and beyond in only a couple of turns...

[★Bandiera Rossa☭]

Well placed blockades can make all the difference.I blockaded All of Venice's ports and they went into negative florins within a few turns and went into rebellion.

[eisenkopf]

Well placed blockades can make all the difference.I blockaded All of Venice's ports and they went into negative florins within a few turns and went into rebellion.

Coincidence or causality?

Of course, blocking all ports seriously disrupts trade. But as argued before, unless aided by a money script, the AI in my games is always broke anyway. As for the rebellion: There are many factors that can cause it, including other enemy armies, imams, excom, diplomats, death of all heirs (did the whole faction go rebel?), or just plain AI stupidity (no garrison?).