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    Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7882953.stm
    Dutch MP banned from entering UK
    A Dutch MP who described the Koran as a "fascist book" has been banned from entering the UK amid fears his presence would endanger public security.
    Freedom Party MP Geert Wilders was invited to show his controversial film - which links the Islamic holy book to terrorism - in the UK's House of Lords.
    But Mr Wilders, who faces trial in his own country for inciting hatred, has been denied entry by the Home Office.
    Mr Wilders said the move was "cowardly" but one peer said it was "welcome".
    'Offensive'
    Mr Wilders' film Fitna caused outrage across the Muslim world when it was posted on the internet last year.
    Its opening scenes show a copy of the Koran followed by footage of the 9/11 attacks in the US and the bombings in Madrid in 2004 and London in 2005.


    The Dutch prime minister has said the film served "no purpose other than to offend".
    Mr Wilders was asked to show the film at the House of Lords by UK Independence Party peer Lord Pearson.
    However, he received a letter from the British Embassy in the Netherlands telling him he would not be allowed into the UK.
    The Home Office said there was a blanket ban on Mr Wilders entering the UK under EU laws enabling member states to exclude someone whose presence could threaten public security.
    "The government opposes extremism in all forms," it said in a statement, adding that it had tightened up rules on excluding those engaging in "unacceptable behaviour" in October.
    "It will stop those who want to spread extremism, hatred, and violent messages in our communities from coming to our country."
    Mr Wilders described the decision as "cowardly" and said he still intends to travel to the UK on Thursday to take part in the event.
    'Very saddened'
    He told the BBC: "It's incredible that an elected politician who was invited by one of your parliamentarians to a discussion with people who are against me, or in favour of me [was banned from the UK]."
    Mr Wilders added: "I was surprised and very saddened that the freedom of speech that was a very strong point of UK society has been harassed. I thought Great Britain had the mother of all parliaments."


    The Dutch government is reported to be trying to overturn the ban.
    In the past, Mr Wilders has called for the Koran to be banned and compared it to Mein Kampf.
    Earlier this year, a Dutch court ordered prosecutors to put Mr Wilders on trial for inciting hatred and discrimination by making anti-Islamic statements.
    Labour peer Lord Ahmed, who expressed his concerns to the Parliamentary authorities about Mr Wilders' visit, said he welcomed the decision to ban the MP.
    "It would be unwise to have him in the UK because this man's presence would cause hatred," he said.
    "He has a case against him in the Amsterdam court for inciting hatred."
    'Attacked obviously'
    Lord Ahmed, who said other Muslim peers shared his concerns, stressed that Mr Wilders' views would certainly present a threat to public order.
    "When Muslims are attacked obviously you will see people react to that."
    But Lord Pearson said the decision to bar him was "weak and unacceptable in the extreme".
    "The Home Office is guilty of appeasement on this, clearly."
    The peer said the screening would still go ahead on Thursday whether Mr Wilders was present or not.
    He said the parliamentary authorities were happy for the event to take place but had ordered extra security for it.
    "The film does not threaten anyone," he said, adding that it simply showed how violent extremists justified their actions.
    He said the screening would be followed by a debate on issues relating to the Koran, extremism and freedom of speech.
    So what do we think about this Dutch MP being banned from entering the UK?
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    I think it's an unnecessary precaution. Geert Wilders was safe in the Netherlands; why would he not be safe in the UK? He could have a security detail or something surely.
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    Yowch, this seems to be a bit harsh even for Wilders...

    Quote Originally Posted by CrayonVonCaesar
    From The Spectator:
    http://www.spectator.co.uk/melanieph...o-terror.thtml

    "If anyone had doubted the extent to which Britain has capitulated to Islamic terror, the banning of Geert Wilders a few hours ago should surely open their eyes.
    Wilders, the Dutch member of parliament who had made an uncompromising stand against the Koranic sources of Islamist extremism and violence, was due to give a screening of Fitna, his film on this subject, at the House of Lords on Thursday.
    This meeting had been postponed after Lord Ahmed had previously threatened the House of Lords authorities that he would bring a force of 10,000 Muslims to lay siege to the Lords if Wilders was allowed to speak."

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    That bolded statement gave me epic lulz.

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    My sultan wishes him dead.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    My sultan wishes him dead.
    LMAO.
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    Divide and conquer. A weak Britain, benefits the rest of the world, especially Europe. Or maybe the Europeans have learned something. Britain is just not like them. Europeans are taught some nonsense that all Europeans are the same, white and christian, with the same history and culture....only the British resist this view. They assume, that Britain follows their creed and follows their thoughts, but then it's proved that Britain actually doesn't hate it's Muslims, or it's minorities, Britain is tolerant and open, and simply remarkable. Europe is not one homogeneous, mono-cultural continent, no matter how much certain folk wish it.
    That my friend is, crap. Remember that it was your UKIP, a party which you were considering to vote for in the European Elections, which invited Wilders not the EU which send him to you.

    The EU for all it's flaws is not promoting a "mono cultural" Europe. Every nation has it's retards who proclaim Europe as the continent of the Aryan people and such but these "certain folks" aren't the mainstream Europeans.
    The message of the EU isn't "white christian Europe" but that we have common roots as well as similar political cultures and ideals not that we are all the same. It's messege is that we can for all our differences be united in peace and cooperation. And believe me even though I am in favour of a "United States of Europe" (if you wish to call it like that) a weak Britain would not help it in anyway. Remember that a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link so it would be rather selfdestructive for the EU to keep Britain weak. Your idea that Britain is somehow unique and superior in it's tolerance is also misguided at best insulting to continental Europeans at worst. Do the Netherlands as a whole hate their muslims ? Does Germany hate it's muslims ? Is France hating it's muslims ? Ok Italy hates it's gypsies and Poland hates Germans and the Teletubbies but that's it.

    I'd like you to think and remember the EU's reaction to the Austrian government. some years ago where Haider's party had been a part of the governmental coalition. It's not like we just tolerated racist scum like him being part of a government in any form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence of Arabia View Post
    I think it's an unnecessary precaution. Geert Wilders was safe in the Netherlands; why would he not be safe in the UK? He could have a security detail or something surely.
    seconded, this is wrong in principle (banning a guy becouse what he said can possibly stir problems, yay for freedom of speech) and also in practise, what kind of security problems can he pose? Give him some security guards.

    This would only add fuel to the fire and is actually a huge gift to Wilders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence of Arabia View Post
    I think it's an unnecessary precaution. Geert Wilders was safe in the Netherlands; why would he not be safe in the UK? He could have a security detail or something surely.

    Wasnt it more that the public wouldn't be safe, because some terrorists might decide to put off some explosives again in GB

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    From The Spectator:
    http://www.spectator.co.uk/melanieph...o-terror.thtml

    "If anyone had doubted the extent to which Britain has capitulated to Islamic terror, the banning of Geert Wilders a few hours ago should surely open their eyes.
    Wilders, the Dutch member of parliament who had made an uncompromising stand against the Koranic sources of Islamist extremism and violence, was due to give a screening of Fitna, his film on this subject, at the House of Lords on Thursday.
    This meeting had been postponed after Lord Ahmed had previously threatened the House of Lords authorities that he would bring a force of 10,000 Muslims to lay siege to the Lords if Wilders was allowed to speak."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrayonVonCaesar View Post
    From The Spectator:
    http://www.spectator.co.uk/melanieph...o-terror.thtml

    "If anyone had doubted the extent to which Britain has capitulated to Islamic terror, the banning of Geert Wilders a few hours ago should surely open their eyes.
    Wilders, the Dutch member of parliament who had made an uncompromising stand against the Koranic sources of Islamist extremism and violence, was due to give a screening of Fitna, his film on this subject, at the House of Lords on Thursday.
    This meeting had been postponed after Lord Ahmed had previously threatened the House of Lords authorities that he would bring a force of 10,000 Muslims to lay siege to the Lords if Wilders was allowed to speak."

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    wonder if they are going to have guns or not....let him in i say! i want to see what happens
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    Quote Originally Posted by saglam2000 View Post
    wonder if they are going to have guns or not....let him in i say! i want to see what happens
    Let them come. If they really ddint think the koran promoted terriost they woudl ignore it not get agressive.

    Rather than banning him, it would be wiser to take part in open and public debate on Islam and whether it offers a better solution than capitalism
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    I don't think his ban is necessary, it just looks like the government is over reacting. I would much rather have him come over here, show his film and then he can leave while the Lords sit there and think, 'wtf? Well that was total crap.'
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    I am just wondering why the Home Office lied. He wasn't blocked because he is a threat to national secuirity....He was blocked because he is a **** and we will not suffer the presence of his smug dimpled face, wasting the precious air and dirtying the brown slushy snow of the greatest capital city on earth.

    That would be more accurate I think.

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    I'd just rather he came over, make an ass out of himself infront of the Lords and then he can piss off.
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    Lol @ Lord Ahmed. Somehow that doesnt sound right.


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    him hes a moron serves him right lol
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    Ah, Wilders still reminds me too much of a Wood Elf from TESIV: Oblivion.

    Anyway, not the first time the UK banned a propagandist and general hate-speech enthusiast from entry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sher Khan View Post
    Anyway, not the first time the UK banned a propagandist and general hate-speech enthusiast from entry.
    Yeah they banned that muslim guy.
    Atleast they are fair even if it isn't right.
    Much better to let these people expose their stupidity then to silence them.

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