Oh no...jihad called on Jerusalem :(

[D3lit3]

Well I'm playing as the Templars, I was in an alliance with the Turks and the the Kwarezmian Empire, I just took over the city below the Turks Capital' (Edeffa or whatever it's called) next turn a freakin' Jihad is called on Jerusalem.

Lucky for me I had lots of troops in the area and there was a Turkish army already advancing toward Jerusalem (had an heir in it) so I attack it and win the battle but the heir escapes back to his capital and both of my generals die....

I'm not sure what to do next, do I attack their capital with all my forces and kill the heir? Will that make them weaker somehow? Or do I send my troops to Jerusalem and bunker down there? I don't really wanna do the latter because they'll probably take over all cities above Jerusalem which sucks.

Also so far only the Turks are attacking because the Kwarezmian are too far away, I hope they won't get involved too ?

EDIT: Will post pics, please tell me what to do next as I'm kind of new to M2TW.

[Crusading Knight]

Sorry to "put you down" but you should have posted this in AAR's section Anyway, defend Jerusalem with your best troops, try to capture Cyprus as a fall back in case the Saracens go all out on you

[Caesar Clivus]

Sorry to "put you down" but you should have posted this in AAR's section

But it's not an AAR. He's asking for advice on what to do rather than reporting on what he did do


The bad news is that all Muslim factions will sign up to a jihad sooner or later. So expect the Kwarezms to attack soon...oh and dont forget the Moors.

If you have a large enough military forces available, you could try setting up one army in your northern provinces to intercept the Turks' jihading stacks while at the same time reinforcing Jerusalem with another army to protect it from attacks from Egypt. If you can't raise forces large enough to do that, then you might have to decide which is more valuable to you: Jerusalem or your other provinces and then protect that as much as possible. I don't think Jihading armies attack any other settlements apart from their target so your northern province should only get attacked by their normal sized armies (should being the operative word).

[Crusading Knight]

But it's not an AAR. He's asking for advice on what to do rather than reporting on what he did do

Suppose, anyway Turk Jihads aren't that hard to defend (Playing as France anyway ) Just get a load of defence troops in jerusalem and raise a lot of offence troops and killn that little heir.

[Preston85]

Pics would be great, at least say what troops you available/trainable as you don't give any indication of time (guessing at start). Not played them but from my experience fighting in the holy lands i'd agree with taking Cyprus. I'd use pleanty of infantry + missiles and fight defensively in cities. Once you take Cyprus you can quickly strike against poorly defended settlements so they have to split there focus from Jerusalem. Take advantage of crusades ASAP to bring other Christian forces to the area, don't have to join the crusade yourself but I would to get the nice crusade units and free upkeep, can strike target then leave token force and send main force to help defend Jerusalem (leave it till late to give far away Christian forces a chance to get into the area)

[D3lit3]

Alright took some pics, here they are.

1. A pic of the cities I own now, my troops in Edessa, and the Turkish capital




2. What's left of my major army after the assault on the Turkish army.




3. What's in their capital now...I think I could pull it off and take over their city.




4. All I have in Jerusalem right now




Any more tips are greatly appreciated.

[mikil100]

Alright took some pics, here they are.

1. A pic of the cities I own now, my troops in Edessa, and the Turkish capital




2. What's left of my major army after the assault on the Turkish army.




3. What's in their capital now...I think I could pull it off and take over their city.




4. All I have in Jerusalem right now




Any more tips are greatly appreciated.

Considering you have the entire south consolidated, just recruit a little bit more than you normally would. Make a full stack and if needed hault some construction. Once you destroy the enemy stacks you may have an easier time destroying them. I wouldn't worry at all.

[Roboute Guilliman]

kwarezm and the moors might come aswell , just defeat the jihad with everything you got and do some diplomacy to ease stuff down

[delra]

Turks will be there in two turns, on turn four they will storm the walls.

So recruit whatever you can ... and block some bridges to slower (if not stop completely) their advance. In my Egypt game crusaders were forced to approach the Holy Land through Caucasus and Mesopotamia, that's how good I had Anatolia and Levant blocked. :-)

[Navajo Joe]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=181416

I started a Templar campaign as my first one, it turned out to be a bloody nightmare, anyway I was given some great advice by Quark. Have a look at the attached thread

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

If their are bridges to cross, Mountain passes build forts. It will buy you time. However given that you have Egypt you should be able to whether the storm okay.

Remember...."He who defends everything, Defends nothing".

Please consolidate your forces. BTW great pictures and good show on your campaign +Rep

[Musthavename]

From the look of that map, the Fatimids are dead and there's just rebels left correct? Spam recruitment everywhere and shift them either to Jerusalem, Adana & Edessa. Even if your just making Templar Sergeants everywhere, just make the numbers up.

I'd let that Jihad come back out. There's no HAs so there's not the annoyance of them to face in the field. Focus on conosolidating your position and improving your economy. If it's possible, a Crusade might help to put some pressure on them aswell.

[Preston85]

I''d definately call for a Crusade if you can, then just hold out for the reinforcements and join it towards the deadline and get the crusader units.

I see a couple of cities building things. Try not to build anything or convert any settlements, instead concentrate everything on units. Most buildings like market/port ect don't pay themselves back for 40+ turns, some its never worth building them in anyway. The 3000 can be spent on a lot of units and go towards upkeep even if your treasury gradually goes down. Capturing/holding a few settlements with those troops will give more income than that port/market would of.

[Spartan90]

Fortify and defend Jerusalem at all costs, it's a crucial city to any empire.

As for your problems with the Turks, if your army is a bit short-handed, try using diplomacy. Give the Byzantines something they want, and in return get them to attack the Turks. With pressure in Anatolia, and you fighting over their southern borders, the Turkish army will be spread thin, and eventually crumble.

From here, fortify, construct and rebuild. You will have some rich lands in Asia Minor now, which are reasonably easy to defend with all the mountain passes. Watch out for the Egyptians to the south. Construct with defense in mind for the city of Jerusalem, and garrison with heavy spearmen to protect your walls and choke points in case of a siege.

[Tacitursa]

IMO recruit alot of Strong spear and heavy infantry and a minimum of 4 mangonels for Jerusalem. Muslim armies are fairly weak at sieging because they mostly use Cavalry and horse archers.

Also recruit some light and cheap cavalry and park them near the gate. When they bring ram foward send 1 cavalry out when the ram is in range of towers/mangonels and just attack the ram and then retreat again. The troops will always drop the ram and engage and take ages to pick it up again which ussualy means ram dies or there army takes huge losses from mangonels.

If your successful in taking out the ram/s there entire cavalry force is void of battle. And there only remaining option is climbing the walls which ussualy causes instant rout because there infantry force is either weak or small and Templars is ussualy large and very strong.

You can defend against upto 8 stacks using this method. And your general should get some very amazing traits such as + morale fighting muslim , + command fighting muslim and lots of dread/chivalry depending on how u fight.

EDIT: forgot to add while that single stack defends Jerusalem. Make another stack or two and send them round the flanks into muslim lands and take there best castles first which hinders there jihad attempts. Then take there capital and rich cities.

[D3lit3]

Ok with your tips guys I finally defeated 'most' of the Turkish army. But the freakin Heir escaped in some ship and I'm not sure how to kill him, I wonder how? I hired a mercenariy ship and my troops boarded it, but it doesn't attack the enemy ship for some reason.



Now all that's left is an almost full stack Turkish army. At least that's what I thought. Until 2 more full stack Kwarezmian armies show up and siege Jerusalem. I'm still trying to plan my attack.

BTW I can't calla a crusade because a crusade has already been called on Frankfurt.

Oh and also, does the Jihad ever stop? Is there an expiration date? Or will they just keep coming?

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

The Jihad will fail after you've defeated the original stacks assigned to the Jihad. Sometimes that can be up to 6-7 stacks. It depends on how many stacks joined per Saracen Faction...Somtimes it can be 2-3 per faction.

[delra]

I noticed Saracens are more vicious in this matter. Europeans usually send a stack, maybe two and that's it....

[puro000]

i saggest you to give the city to byzantines...then assembley your army to strike after jihad successfull...its the best way and you will give an extra enemy to muslims..good lack

[Faramir D'Andunie]

Are the mongols around? Their spawned armies tend to join Jihads en mase and silver sevron stacks commanded by full dread/command generals are hard to repel.

If you feel not strong enough to fight them back, let the city fall as soon as possible.
If you wish to fight, fill Jerusalem with spear infantry, archers and some knights and form an army out of a mix of heavy cavalry and local horsearcher mercanaries and intercept as many as you can. Target and kill the enemy general and retreat (or massacre the rest).
Also remember assasins can help you a lot with that issue as well.