If China, Japan, and India were in this game...

**henyo10** · February 10, 2009, 03:21 AM

What would their strength, weaknesses, special units be since I'm quite curious what kind of military they will field because I reckon that the table of each faction represents their strengths.

**Deadly Rabbit** · February 10, 2009, 04:39 AM

I'll probably get this all wrong, but so far as I understand India accross the ages was famous for foot archers, light cavalry and elephants.
China for disciplined crossbowmen and polearm infantry.
Japan for heavy cav and heavy infantry.

**Tacitursa** · February 10, 2009, 05:20 AM

Im pretty sure you have Japan and chinas infantry mixed up. China used more heavy type infantry with great poleaxes.

Japanese were more light infantry sword bound. Much like the samurai were.

Yeah india's army was the same kind of makeup as the army in Lord of the rings that arrive via boats.

**Caesar Clivus** · February 10, 2009, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by Wizav85

Japanese were more light infantry sword bound. Much like the samurai were.

Not sure if you can call a Samurai in full armour light infantry

**Tacitursa** · February 10, 2009, 07:06 AM

I knew they had thick armor like that but its still classed as light armor and offers not much defence vs medieval weapons as 80% of its makeup is made from bamboo and cloth materials.

Im not entirely sure how armor is classed though so i could be wrong but i always thought that its the actuall strengh of the armor rather than how much of it you have on you that determines whether it is Light or heavy

I only think of it as Light armor because Samurai were also skilled martial artists and often if swords broke or oponents were unarmed they would fight hand to hand. I just cant see how that would be possible in heavy armor.

Samurai armor remains one of the most interesting and rare components of the Samurai era. The armor was constructed from bamboo, cloth and metal. Unlike its better known counterpart, the medieval armor, the Japanese example was much lighter, which provided for ease of movement but compromised protection. The armor had to be light weight because the Samurai would often engage into hand to hand combat, requiring fast and precise movements. The majority of the armor was made from bamboo. The chest plate was usually one piece of metal while the arms and neck were composed of small pieces of metal tied together with colorful strings.

**Gnostiko** · February 10, 2009, 05:16 AM

India...going by Broken Crescent: massed, cheap, infantry and elephants. Decent, but not exceptional, spearmen and archers. Weakness would be lack of any notable cavalry, special unit kshatriya warriors.

**Blaze86420** · February 10, 2009, 08:41 AM

china would have been unstoppable. over the years, many dynasties developed many distinct strenghts in their army. i read that they had cataphracts, crossbows, and disciplined halberdiers. not to mention that their armies were huge

**Inhuman One** · February 10, 2009, 08:51 AM

I still hope to see Samurai and Knights clash in some kind of game in the future, preferably a good game of course.

Both bound by a code, only Samurai seemed to uphold theirs a lot better.

**Sargon_of_Akkad** · February 10, 2009, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Inhuman One

I still hope to see Samurai and Knights clash in some kind of game in the future, preferably a good game of course.

Both bound by a code, only Samurai seemed to uphold theirs a lot better.

Modern romanticism. Both were a bunch of bastards.

**ricebowl** · February 10, 2009, 12:05 PM

I think the Chinese Army very much can compared to the Moors...

Chinese court got technology, but hardly invest in them, only kept those elite weaponry for the Royal Banner. Meanwhile got large garrison of spearmen/halberdmen and crossbowmen at the Northern border(against the Huns during Han Dynasty, and against the Turkic Tribes during Tang Dynasty..), Only when after they adobt the horseback fighting styles from their rival counter part(Huns and Turks), and mix with their own spear/halberd/crossbow formations, the Chinese able to gain upper hand and drove the enemy out of their territories(which the Huns and Turks later on went west), consider what the Huns did in Europe in the early days(b4 they finally settled down and ask Pope for a crown), and if the Chinese Army wasn't present any thread to them, I dont think the Huns would want to "move" so far away west. By the same token, if, only if the Chinese army(Han Chinese) were to march towards west and chase the Huns(like the Mongol always like to chase their enemy and loot alone the way), I am sure they would create a even bigger disaster to the European at the time.

P.S. I maybe wrong, but according to Wiki and other source, Huns may or maynot be the Hungarian afterwords, as they only consist of one of the few tribes that were chase away by the Han Chinese.

**Fenix_120** · February 10, 2009, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by ricebowl

I think the Chinese Army very much can compared to the Moors...

Chinese court got technology, but hardly invest in them, only kept those elite weaponry for the Royal Banner. Meanwhile got large garrison of spearmen/halberdmen and crossbowmen at the Northern border(against the Huns during Han Dynasty, and against the Turkic Tribes during Tang Dynasty..), Only when after they adobt the horseback fighting styles from their rival counter part(Huns and Turks), and mix with their own spear/halberd/crossbow formations, the Chinese able to gain upper hand and drove the enemy out of their territories(which the Huns and Turks later on went west), consider what the Huns did in Europe in the early days(b4 they finally settled down and ask Pope for a crown), and if the Chinese Army wasn't present any thread to them, I dont think the Huns would want to "move" so far away west. By the same token, if, only if the Chinese army(Han Chinese) were to march towards west and chase the Huns(like the Mongol always like to chase their enemy and loot alone the way), I am sure they would create a even bigger disaster to the European at the time.

P.S. I maybe wrong, but according to Wiki and other source, Huns may or maynot be the Hungarian afterwords, as they only consist of one of the few tribes that were chase away by the Han Chinese.

Their is no evidence that says that any of their tribes were Hsiung-nu, we know for certain that different people all describe the Huns as looking diffrent, their is also some debate as to where the word "Hun" was even refereing to a certian people but rather was a catch all term for "Brigand" and that Atilla was simply a King of Steppe brigands from all over the place, much the same as the word Brigand (which meant foot soldier due to the brigadine armor they wore as opposed to the plate armor of a man at arms) came to mean marauder in the 15th century.

The Chinese do discribe the Hsiung-nu as looking Mongolian, the "Huns" were discribed as by the Romans as looking Sarmatian, Slavic and Gothic, and then theirs the "White Huns" who no one knows what they were ethnically.

we know for certian that the modern day Hungarian people are mostly Magyar by decent, and if we go with the theory that the word Hun was for all Steppe raiding peoples then yes they were Huns, but if we go with the theory that they were a specific race then no they were not Hunnic.

And BTW I don't consider building a giant wall chasing someone away, the Han Chinese were a great people because they found a way to peacefully stop hostilities from the Hsiung-nu(who BTW would indeed be considered Huns by the theory that Hun was a term for raiding Steppe tribe)

**Blaze86420** · February 10, 2009, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by ricebowl

I think the Chinese Army very much can compared to the Moors...

Chinese court got technology, but hardly invest in them, only kept those elite weaponry for the Royal Banner. Meanwhile got large garrison of spearmen/halberdmen and crossbowmen at the Northern border(against the Huns during Han Dynasty, and against the Turkic Tribes during Tang Dynasty..), Only when after they adobt the horseback fighting styles from their rival counter part(Huns and Turks), and mix with their own spear/halberd/crossbow formations, the Chinese able to gain upper hand and drove the enemy out of their territories(which the Huns and Turks later on went west), consider what the Huns did in Europe in the early days(b4 they finally settled down and ask Pope for a crown), and if the Chinese Army wasn't present any thread to them, I dont think the Huns would want to "move" so far away west. By the same token, if, only if the Chinese army(Han Chinese) were to march towards west and chase the Huns(like the Mongol always like to chase their enemy and loot alone the way), I am sure they would create a even bigger disaster to the European at the time.

P.S. I maybe wrong, but according to Wiki and other source, Huns may or maynot be the Hungarian afterwords, as they only consist of one of the few tribes that were chase away by the Han Chinese.

i dont see how the chinese are similar to the moors... :hmmm:

**StalkAndStrike** · February 11, 2009, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Sargon_of_Akkad

Modern romanticism. Both were a bunch of bastards.

Never were more true words spoken friend...

BUT

If china was indeed in MTW2, there wouldn't be a map, just a crowd of chinese people covering the globe, much like today, maybe the Black Death could have changed the future to prevent this?

**tokyowar** · February 11, 2009, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by StalkAndStrike

Never were more true words spoken friend...

BUT

If china was indeed in MTW2, there wouldn't be a map, just a crowd of chinese people covering the globe, much like today, maybe the Black Death could have changed the future to prevent this?

If that, I wish God to let the plague first happen in your land!

**kavino** · February 12, 2009, 02:09 AM

Black Death did happen in China, devastated the Chinese population but nonetheless they survived.

**Cleitanious** · February 10, 2009, 01:00 PM

It would be interesting, but it would be quite unfair.

**delra** · February 10, 2009, 06:02 PM

Do we have any at least half-decent China+Japan mods for M2TW?

**Caesar Clivus** · February 10, 2009, 06:03 PM

Isn't "All Under Heaven" an Asian mod?

**delra** · February 10, 2009, 06:43 PM

Sadly AUH won't be released until 2010 at least...

**HighLord z0b** · February 10, 2009, 07:23 PM

Also, IIRC Japanese arms and armour were actually backwards compared to most of Asia and Europe. The Samurai arms and armour that people these days think of was quite late period - 16th and 17th century, not really medieval at all.