Israeli Elections

**Aziel** · February 09, 2009, 11:54 PM

the Israeli elections are today.

The main parties who have most chances to win are:

-Likud headed by Binyamin Netanyahu

Likud (Hebrew: ליכוד‎, lit. Consolidation) is the major centre-right political party in Israel. Founded in 1973 as an alliance of several right-wing and liberal parties

Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu (help·info) (Hebrew: בִּנְיָמִין "ביבי" נְתַנְיָהוּ‎, Binyamin "Bibi" Netanyahu, born 21 October 1949) was the 9th Prime Minister of Israel and is Chairman of the Likud Party.

-Kadima headed by Tzipi Livni

Kadima (Hebrew: קדימה‎, lit. Forward) is a political party in Israel. It became the largest party in the Knesset after the 2006 elections, winning 29 of the 120 seats

Tzipora Malka "Tzipi" Livni (Hebrew: ציפורה מלכה "ציפי" לבני‎, born 5 July 1958 in Tel Aviv, Israel) is Foreign Affairs Minister and the designated Acting Prime Minister of Israel.[1][2]

-Yisrael Beitenu headed by Avigdor Lieberman

Yisrael Beiteinu (Hebrew: ישראל ביתנו‎, lit. Israel is Our Home) is a political party in Israel. The party describes itself as "a national movement with the clear vision to follow in the brave path of Zev Jabotinsky".[1] It takes a hard line towards Arab citizens of Israel and other Palestinians. Its main platform involves reducing the amount of Arab citizens by redrawing the borders with a future Palestinian state, in conjunction with efforts to increase Jewish immigration.

[Note: Although its tough stance against the Arabs, it supports a Palestinian state and even dividing Jerusalem in the proccess, as well as transffering Jews from the West Bank]

Avigdor Lieberman (Hebrew: אביגדור ליברמן‎

(audio)(help·info), born Evet Lvovich Liberman (Russian: Эве́т Льво́вич Ли́берман) on 5 June 1958[1]) is an Israeli politician and leader of the Israel Beitenu party. A number of mainstream media sources consider him to be on the far right of the political spectrum.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12]

[Note: He is not far right at all, in my opinion, as far-rightists in Israel object a Palestinian state in the West Bank very strictly,while he supports it]

HaAvoda (Labor) headed by Ehud Barak

The Israeli Labor Party (Hebrew: מפלגת העבודה הישראלית‎, Mifleget HaAvoda HaYisraelit), generally known in Israel as Avoda (Hebrew: עבודה‎) is a center-left political party in Israel. It is a social democratic and Zionist party, a member of the Socialist International and an observer member of the Party of European Socialists.

Ehud Barak (Hebrew:

אֵהוּד בָּרָק(help·info), born Ehud Brog on 12 February 1942) is an Israeli politician, former Prime Minister, and current Minister of Defense, deputy prime minister and leader of Israel's Labor Party.

I personally don't know which party to support, I seriously don't. According to the polls released by different polling organizations the Likud will lead in a very few seats (3-5) over Kadima, Yisrael Beitenu is rising to 19-20 seats and Labor remains where it was the previous elections (16 seats. 40 years ago Labor won about 50 seats, by the way).

After the Elections are over, Shimon Peres, the Israel president, needs to choose which party will lead the coalition of the new government. He usually choose the party that has most seats. The new party then have 28 days to create a coalition. If it doesn't succede, the chance is given to the party second in numbers of seats and so on. In all of that time the current government will remain on its place.

Here is a test saying to which parties your stances fit the most. It should be noted that the test isn't very deep so don't trust it in 100% and instead take a look at the parties platforms:
http://israel.kieskompas.nl/

**roy34543** · February 10, 2009, 12:27 AM

The parties on the list below are ranked in order of their agreement with your answers.The higher on the list, the more you agree with the party.

Labor
You are 8% more economic right
You are 2% more traditional

You have a substantive agreement of 73%
Security: 80%
Socioeconomic: 72%
Religion: 65%

Meretz
You are 37% more economic right
You are 23% more progressive

You have a substantive agreement of 68%
Security: 73%
Socioeconomic: 63%
Religion: 75%

Kadima
You are 12% more economic left
You are 8% more traditional

You have a substantive agreement of 68%
Security: 78%
Socioeconomic: 62%
Religion: 70%

Hadash
You are 40% more economic right
You are 23% more progressive

You have a substantive agreement of 65%
Security: 73%
Socioeconomic: 57%
Religion: 75%

Ra'am-Ta'al
You are 40% more economic right
You are 23% more progressive

You have a substantive agreement of 65%
Security: 68%
Socioeconomic: 60%
Religion: 75%

Balad
You are 35% more economic right
You are 20% more progressive

You have a substantive agreement of 63%
Security: 70%
Socioeconomic: 55%
Religion: 75%

Likud
You are 10% more economic left
You are 33% more traditional

You have a substantive agreement of 62%
Security: 60%
Socioeconomic: 63%
Religion: 60%

The Green Movement - Meimad
You are 33% more economic right
You are 5% more traditional

You have a substantive agreement of 59%
Security: 65%
Socioeconomic: 55%
Religion: 60%

Israel Beiteinu
You are 30% more economic left
You are 32% more traditional

You have a substantive agreement of 59%
Security: 58%
Socioeconomic: 57%
Religion: 70%

Gil (Pensioners)
You are 8% more economic right
You are 23% more traditional

You have a substantive agreement of 52%
Security: 55%
Socioeconomic: 55%
Religion: 35%

Torah Judaism
You are 15% more economic right
You are 27% more traditional

You have a substantive agreement of 52%
Security: 73%
Socioeconomic: 48%
Religion: 20%

Greens
You are 3% more economic right
You are 7% more traditional

You have a substantive agreement of 48%
Security: 48%
Socioeconomic: 45%
Religion: 60%

Haichud Haleumi (National Unity)
You are 10% more economic left
You are 62% more traditional

You have a substantive agreement of 45%
Security: 40%
Socioeconomic: 52%
Religion: 35%

Habait Hayehudi - Mafdal
You are 20% more economic right
You are 57% more traditional

You have a substantive agreement of 43%
Security: 43%
Socioeconomic: 50%
Religion: 25%

Shas
You are 20% more economic right
You are 53% more traditional

You have a substantive agreement of 42%
Security: 45%
Socioeconomic: 47%
Religion: 20%

I honestly think meretz would come before labour, but it looks more or less right.But i got 52% with pensioners? Somethings wrong there..

**tree151** · February 10, 2009, 12:44 AM

Kadima
You are 8% more economic left
You are 7% more progressive

You have a substantive agreement of 78%
Security: 78%
Socioeconomic: 75%
Religion: 85%

Labor
You are 12% more economic right
You are 13% more progressive

You have a substantive agreement of 78%
Security: 70%
Socioeconomic: 82%
Religion: 80%

Likud
You are 7% more economic left
You are 18% more traditional

You have a substantive agreement of 76%
Security: 70%
Socioeconomic: 77%
Religion: 85%

Israel Beiteinu
You are 27% more economic left
You are 17% more traditional

You have a substantive agreement of 70%
Security: 78%
Socioeconomic: 67%
Religion: 65%

Gil (Pensioners)
You are 12% more economic right
You are 8% more traditional

You have a substantive agreement of 64%
Security: 70%
Socioeconomic: 65%
Religion: 50%

Meretz
You are 40% more economic right
You are 38% more progressive

You have a substantive agreement of 61%
Security: 58%
Socioeconomic: 60%
Religion: 70%

Ra'am-Ta'al
You are 43% more economic right
You are 38% more progressive

You have a substantive agreement of 59%
Security: 53%
Socioeconomic: 57%
Religion: 80%

Haichud Haleumi (National Unity)
You are 7% more economic left
You are 47% more traditional

You have a substantive agreement of 58%
Security: 55%
Socioeconomic: 62%
Religion: 50%

The Green Movement - Meimad
You are 37% more economic right
You are 10% more progressive

You have a substantive agreement of 57%
Security: 55%
Socioeconomic: 58%
Religion: 55%

Balad
You are 38% more economic right
You are 35% more progressive

You have a substantive agreement of 56%
Security: 55%
Socioeconomic: 52%
Religion: 70%

Torah Judaism
You are 18% more economic right
You are 12% more traditional

You have a substantive agreement of 56%
Security: 63%
Socioeconomic: 58%
Religion: 35%

Habait Hayehudi - Mafdal
You are 23% more economic right
You are 42% more traditional

You have a substantive agreement of 54%
Security: 63%
Socioeconomic: 53%
Religion: 40%

Greens
You are 7% more economic right
You are 8% more progressive

You have a substantive agreement of 54%
Security: 58%
Socioeconomic: 48%
Religion: 65%

Hadash
You are 43% more economic right
You are 38% more progressive

You have a substantive agreement of 54%
Security: 53%
Socioeconomic: 50%
Religion: 70%

Shas
You are 23% more economic right
You are 38% more traditional

You have a substantive agreement of 51%
Security: 55%
Socioeconomic: 53%
Religion: 35%

I personaly think Kadima should win, and I would probably vote for it, but my family wants Israel Beiteinu to win. but, to tell the truth, non of those people are the ones I would like to see as prime ministers.

**Aziel** · February 10, 2009, 12:46 AM

My results:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

I am going to the ballot box (?) in a few minutes with my father. He is planning to vote for Yisrael Hazaka although I doubt it would win even one seat.

**k995** · February 10, 2009, 01:01 AM

Yisrael Beiteinu/ ultra nationalists

A party that with latest polls gets 16%, who support ethnics cleansing of arab population who's suporters call out for a "final solution" to the arab problems. (ironic that the head of this party is an immigrant who wants to get rid of the original population)

How does anyone in his right mind vote for a party like this?

The rest of the jewish partys arent any better, support for settlers in west bank, support for unjustified and inproportinal "punish" wars against lebanon and gaza. Support to bannish most of the arab parties(and undermine its own democraty)

Israel is going downhill fast, hope they will ever recover.

**Aziel** · February 10, 2009, 01:05 AM

It doesn't support that. Did you bother to look at its platform?

*A belief that the “land for peace approach” is fundamentally flawed – only a “land for land – peace for peace” approach, in which both parties compromise and commit to certain terms, can succeed

*The exchange of land highly populated by Arabs for land with Jewish settlements as a viable proposal for solving the Israel-Palestinian conflict

http://beytenu.org./107/2193/article.html

They support a Palestinian state.

**k995** · February 10, 2009, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by Aziel

It doesn't support that. Did you bother to look at its platform?

http://beytenu.org./107/2193/article.html

They support a Palestinian state.

Wich is ethnicly cleansing them from israel. Does it matter you dont pick them up and throw them out but just take there pasports and ID? nope its the same .

Lieberman is racist/facist who wants every arab out of israel and create its "pure white/blue eyes/blond hair" style jewish israel.

Its voters even call openly to kill/hunt down all arabs.

**tree151** · February 10, 2009, 01:06 AM

K995, I think this thread is about the thought of a person on who should win, not criticize Israel. I know the paries aren't what most people would like to see, but what does this thread have to do with the conflict?

**~~gojira~~** · February 10, 2009, 01:27 AM

I see a lot of candidates for the hague here.

**roy34543** · February 10, 2009, 01:40 AM

Yisrael Beiteinu/ ultra nationalists

A party that with latest polls gets 16%, who support ethnics cleansing of arab population who's suporters call out for a "final solution" to the arab problems. (ironic that the head of this party is an immigrant who wants to get rid of the original population)

How does anyone in his right mind vote for a party like this?

What kind of propoganda is this? You didnt even bother to look at their platform did you? Theyre certainly nationalist but their soloution is extremely favourable to the palestinians (everywhere the palestinians live, Give to the palestinians, anywhere where jews live, give to the jews) they are even the only party that definitively and strongly support splitting jerusalem.
What they do take a hard stance against is Israeli arabs - they tell them there should be no more lame excuses, if they want the social benefits of living in israel they have to serve in the army/social service etc and they shouldnt recieve positive discrimination anymore.
That said i wouldnt vote for them. Id probably still vote for meretz of kadima

see a lot of candidates for the hague here

Because theyre doing their jobs? If anything you could get sued for slander much faster then you could name a single war crime.

**~~gojira~~** · February 10, 2009, 01:46 AM

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

nuff said.

**k995** · February 10, 2009, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by gojira

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

nuff said.

Not quit,

46: there never was a palestinians state, most of the land in 46 was owned by the brits (state owned) or by foreign land owners. Palestinian locals had about 20-25% while jews 6-7%

Un paritian was a plan, and jerusalem was never palestinian in that

67 : gaza and west bank were egyptian/jordanian

the only thats right is 2000, and ironicly thats the most land under palestinian control there ever was.

**k995** · February 10, 2009, 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by roy34543

What kind of propoganda is this? You didnt even bother to look at their platform did you? Theyre certainly nationalist but their soloution is extremely favourable to the palestinians (everywhere the palestinians live, Give to the palestinians, anywhere where jews live, give to the jews) they are even the only party that definitively and strongly support splitting jerusalem.

I ahve no problems with palestinians giving up there nationality or moving, forcibly removing an unwanted population from your country (and no the way you do it doesnt matter) is and always be an ethnic cleansing.

What they do take a hard stance against is Israeli arabs - they tell them there should be no more lame excuses, if they want the social benefits of living in israel they have to serve in the army/social service etc and they shouldnt recieve positive discrimination anymore.

Wich is BS. Social service still leaves you out of most of the benefits someone who has served in the military gets just like most arabs work for a living, like most jews do.

**Henry of Grosmont** · February 10, 2009, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by k995

Wich is BS. Social service still leaves you out of most of the benefits someone who has served in the military gets just like most arabs work for a living, like most jews do.

Your statement is an absolute bull:

:.
Also, you do know that Israeli Arabs don't pay taxes, right?

**k995** · February 10, 2009, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by Rufats

Your statement is an absolute bull:

:.
Also, you do know that Israeli Arabs don't pay taxes, right?

Of course they pay taxes where do you get such a stupid idea?

**Henry of Grosmont** · February 10, 2009, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by k995

Of course they pay taxes where do you get such a stupid idea?

They are exempt form paying several/or pay them at the lower rate and have way higher discounts.

**roy34543** · February 10, 2009, 01:51 AM

nuff said.

Your opinions are badly thought out and resort to copy pasting rather then argument

Nuff said?
Not nearly, But Id like you to answer this then. How can you steal from a people that never "owned" any land in the first place, and even then your asking to punish people who were not even involved in politics through most of that timescale.
Furthermore, these people had an oppurtunity to own land, its just you know, Egypt and jordan annexed them. So why arent they war criminals?

**Orko** · February 10, 2009, 02:04 AM

My land is doomed...

**Henry of Grosmont** · February 10, 2009, 02:05 AM

I'm, probably, voting Meimad. I know personally no.7 on their list - he gives them excellent credentials. He also, didn't want to be higher on that list, because it would mess up with his current work. And he didn't want to make a half-effort, both ways.

Oh, and they have a good platform.

Edit.

Originally Posted by roy34543

I honestly cant see how the election this year are any worse then the last elections.

For instance?

**Aziel** · February 10, 2009, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by Rufats

I'm, probably, voting Meimad. I know personally no.18 on their list - he gives them excellent credentials. He also, didn't want to be higher on that list, because it would mess up with his current work. And he didn't want to make a half-effort, both ways.

Oh, and they have a good platform.

I agree with you on Hayeruka-Meimad party. Very impressive indeed. Too bad the let themselves to be a bit hazy regarding the settlements, Jerusalem and the Golan Heights.

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