Seleucid's Online battle guide for...well, SELEUCIDS!

[Seleucid king]

Ok. I am new here, but I have MUCH online experience(I've played 60+

battles ), and I've came up with a battle guide.

There are several factors to Online battling:

What type of battle(Historical or Custom)

How much Money(low, e.g=10,000, or high,e.g=500,000)

And what faction/catagory(Roman, Greek, Barbarian, Carthaginian,

Egyptian, or Eastern).

My personal favorite, as you may have guessed, is the Seleucids. Now

they may have inferior types of Infantry(like Silvershield Pikemen are

inferior to Royal Pikemen, and Silvershield Legionaries are inferior to

Prateorian Cohorts), but their Great Cavalry force can easily make up for

that. The Cataphracts, for example, with their Armour-Penetrating Mace

attack, can easily own Praetorian Cavalry. Plus, they have ELEPHANTS!

The Infantry may be Inferior, but the Damage the Cavalry can cause to

both Infantry AND Cavalry can easily cope for that.(Example: Elephants

and Cataphracts are ordered to attack enemy Praetorian cohorts. With

the Cataphracts' Maces, and the Elephants'....Battering-ram like

heads,...well, lets just say that 241 Silvershields can easily own 119 Praetorian Cohorts.

[Stella]

I don't think you have much convincing to do since it seems like 80% of people online play as Seleucia. I can usually beat them with Armenia though, using cheaper infantry and upgraded cataphracts to win the cavalry engagement. The inferior infantry doesn't matter so much when you have cataphracts free for hammer + anvils.

Rome doesn't have much trouble with them either in my experience. Even with their mace attack cataphracts can't take Urbans in melee.

[Seleucid king]

I don't think you have much convincing to do since it seems like 80% of people online play as Seleucia. I can usually beat them with Armenia though, using cheaper infantry and upgraded cataphracts to win the cavalry engagement. The inferior infantry doesn't matter so much when you have cataphracts free for hammer + anvils.

Rome doesn't have much trouble with them either in my experience. Even with their mace attack cataphracts can't take Urbans in melee.

actually they can. i've seen it in an online battle i played against pavel65. I sent a units of 54 Cataphracts against 82 Urban cohorts with the mace attack AND THEY WON! at the end they(The Cataphracts)still had like 46 men.

[Doctor]

actually they can. i've seen it in an online battle i played against pavel65. I sent a units of 54 Cataphracts against 82 Urban cohorts with the mace attack AND THEY WON! at the end they(The Cataphracts)still had like 46 men.

Were the Urbans very under upgraded? Because from my experience with Catas is that the switch from the spear charge to the mace attack results in a good amount of casualties more than 8 at the end of the engagement.

[MaceMan]

I love the Seleucids as well, but this doesn't seem much like a guide, to be honest. It just looks like you're trying to convince everyone that the Seleucids are the best faction out there. And as for the cataphract/urban thing, you shouldn't be using your cataphracts to take on urbans directly anyways. You should be charging your cataphracts into the urbans' backs while your silver shield or phalanx pikemen hold them in place. Even though cataphracts can take on urbans directly, they'll take unnecessary losses while doing so, and your cataphracts are too important (and expensive) to throw away like that.

[Seleucid king]

I love the Seleucids as well, but this doesn't seem much like a guide, to be honest. It just looks like you're trying to convince everyone that the Seleucids are the best faction out there. And as for the cataphract/urban thing, you shouldn't be using your cataphracts to take on urbans directly anyways. You should be charging your cataphracts into the urbans' backs while your silver shield or phalanx pikemen hold them in place. Even though cataphracts can take on urbans directly, they'll take unnecessary losses while doing so, and your cataphracts are too important (and expensive) to throw away like that.

ok i guess i shoulda mentioned it was a seige battle and my pikes were occuppied.

Were the Urbans very under upgraded? Because from my experience with Catas is that the switch from the spear charge to the mace attack results in a good amount of casualties more than 8 at the end of the engagement.

and it was a high money battle so both units were upgraded, but i had the charge advantage

well i asnt able 2 fricking able 2 play online until 4 months ago and i play like 1-3 battles a week

Experience of 60+ games isn't really that much to show. Like expressed by Maceman, it also looks to me that you are advertising Seleucids as the best faction there is. Each faction has their own advantages and disadvantages. If used properly, Romans can smash Seleucids, and vice versa. Your "guide" won't teach many people much, IMO.

u r the 10th or so person 2 say that, so I KNOW!

Quadruple Post Merged - Xavier Dragnesi

[Cluny the Scourge]

I don't think you have much convincing to do since it seems like 80% of people online play as Seleucia. I can usually beat them with Armenia though, using cheaper infantry and upgraded cataphracts to win the cavalry engagement. The inferior infantry doesn't matter so much when you have cataphracts free for hammer + anvils.

Rome doesn't have much trouble with them either in my experience. Even with their mace attack cataphracts can't take Urbans in melee.

actually they can. i've seen it in an online battle i played against pavel65. I sent a units of 54 Cataphracts against 82 Urban cohorts with the mace attack AND THEY WON! at the end they(The Cataphracts)still had like 46 men.

Were the Urbans very under upgraded? Because from my experience with Catas is that the switch from the spear charge to the mace attack results in a good amount of casualties more than 8 at the end of the engagement.

I ran some tests in Custom Battle on this point once and I discovered that in a contest between one Cataphract unit and one Urban Cohort unit, where you charge the Cataphracts in and then switch to maces after the initial casualties:

If both units are un-upgraded, the Cataphracts will win.

But if the Urban Cohort unit has just a single weapon-upgrade, they will win.

And since Cataphracts are a little more expensive than Urbans without upgrades, this makes sense to me.

Of course in actual battle this kind of 1-v-1 situation rarely happens - there are a host of other factors that would come into play to tip the thing one way or the other. But it's interesting to know.

[|Sith| Max]

I don't think you have much convincing to do since it seems like 80% of people online play as Seleucia. I can usually beat them with Armenia though, using cheaper infantry and upgraded cataphracts to win the cavalry engagement. The inferior infantry doesn't matter so much when you have cataphracts free for hammer + anvils.

Rome doesn't have much trouble with them either in my experience. Even with their mace attack cataphracts can't take Urbans in melee.

So you would be the kind of person that rams unupgraded cataphracts into urban cohorts?

[Xavier Dragnesi]

Experience of 60+ games isn't really that much to show. Like expressed by Maceman, it also looks to me that you are advertising Seleucids as the best faction there is. Each faction has their own advantages and disadvantages. If used properly, Romans can smash Seleucids, and vice versa. Your "guide" won't teach many people much, IMO.

[MaceMan]

Don't freak out, mate, we're just giving you some constructive criticism. Your ideas are welcome here, as are everyone's, but you need to be able to take some criticism here and there.

[|Sith| Max]

Experience of 60+ games isn't really that much to show. Like expressed by Maceman, it also looks to me that you are advertising Seleucids as the best faction there is. Each faction has their own advantages and disadvantages. If used properly, Romans can smash Seleucids, and vice versa. Your "guide" won't teach many people much, IMO.

totally right. even 200 battles is still a noob sometimes. let alone 0 to 70. But rome will never "Smash Seleucids" unless the guy that plays seleucia is the guy that made this guide.

[Seleucid king]

huh. I didn't expect this much contraversy.....(sp?)

totally right. even 200 battles is still a noob sometimes. let alone 0 to 70. But rome will never "Smash Seleucids" unless the guy that plays seleucia is the guy that made this guide.

and is that suggesting that i'm dumb? i've beaten rome with seleucia like 5 times already.

[|Sith| Max]

huh. I didn't expect this much contraversy.....(sp?)



and is that suggesting that i'm dumb? i've beaten rome with seleucia like 5 times already.

Im not sugggesting that you are dumb, lad. im suggesting you are new to RTW. you do seem to have a smarter opinion on cataphracts then demetrios or whatever his name is. i really really hate it when a new guy like you has a basic grasp of the right idea for a faction, and then some retard tries to convince you that you are wrong.

[Seleucid king]

Im not sugggesting that you are dumb, lad. im suggesting you are new to RTW.

dude i've had that game 4 at least a year now

[Selifator]

Same here, this guide is more of a guideline rather than a full guide. Provide pictures, more explanation to make it better. Also, 60 games is nothing. I know that most of the regulars here must have played well over a 1000 games (I know I have).

[DeerHunter]

Elephants are mostly banned in games online so a strategy guide with them in is probably no point, you are forgetting one of selucids most powerful unit the scythe chariot which rout roman infantry in about 2 seconds flat

[Xavier Dragnesi]

Hmmm. I've never seen Scythed Chariots routing Roman infantry in two seconds flat.... But I have seen Scythed chariots running amok within a few volleys of fire arrows. They are powerful weapons, yes, but like elephants, still a double edged sword.

[|Sith| Max]

Hmmm. I've never seen Scythed Chariots routing Roman infantry in two seconds flat.... But I have seen Scythed chariots running amok within a few volleys of fire arrows. They are powerful weapons, yes, but like elephants, still a double edged sword.

We agree on that then. You should win the archerwar before comitting them. if ur gonna rely on scythed then take pontus. archers and chariot archers got a better chance of winning in AW than a few standard archers on their own.

[DeerHunter]

All chariots are great at routing roman infantry its very easy Xavier and i am surprised you do not know this yes scythe charitos do run amok easily you just need to keep them back until you have done the skirmish war and flank with them which will then take at the maximum 2 seconds to rout the roman infantry

[Xavier Dragnesi]

Ah, but there isn't always a skirmish war.