Israeli elections

[k995]

Yisrael Beiteinu/ ultra nationalists

A party that with latest polls gets 16%, who support ethnics cleansing of arab population who's suporters call out for a "final solution" to the arab problems. (ironic that the head of this party is an immigrant who wants to get rid of the original population)

How does anyone in his right mind vote for a party like this?

The rest of the jewish partys arent any better, support for settlers in west bank, support for unjustified and inproportinal "punish" wars against lebanon and gaza. Support to bannish most of the arab parties(and undermine its own democraty)

Israel is going downhill fast, hope they will ever recover.

[Pickle_mole]

arabs are the original inhabitors of the holy land? then native americans are the lost tribe of israel! (looking at you mormons)

[k995]

arabs are the original inhabitors of the holy land? then native americans are the lost tribe of israel! (looking at you mormons)

With that kind of logic we would all have to live in africa. Fact is that lieberman is a moldavian who emigrated to israel in the 70's. Fact is that most arabs he want out are all born in israel (or born in the britisch mandate) and have just as much if not more to live there then he has .

[Pickle_mole]

Im not argueing, i was just pointing at that you said "he wants to kick out the original population" when arabs were not the original inhabitants of that land.

[PointOfViewGun]

I'm not arguing, i was just pointing at that you said "he wants to kick out the original population" when Arabs were not the original inhabitants of that land.

In this case they are the original population as well as the Israeli tribes.

[k995]

Im not argueing, i was just pointing at that you said "he wants to kick out the original population" when arabs were not the original inhabitants of that land.

They are, ever tought that people convert?

Most arabs are more linked to the region then most jews who migrated from europe.

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

Im not argueing, i was just pointing at that you said "he wants to kick out the original population" when arabs were not the original inhabitants of that land.

Palestinians =/= arabs

[Aziel]

A party that with latest polls gets 16%, who support ethnics cleansing of arab population who's suporters call out for a "final solution" to the arab problems. (ironic that the head of this party is an immigrant who wants to get rid of the original population)

Wrong, it doesn't support that.

[Oldgamer]

The ironic part of the Israeli elections is that the election of Odamna has probably made the election of Bennie Netanyahu an ontological certainty. That makes me very happy.

[k995]

The ironic part of the Israeli elections is that the election of Odamna has probably made the election of Bennie Netanyahu an ontological certainty. That makes me very happy.

Seems that certainty wasnt so sure.

[Burnum]

Wrong, it doesn't support that.

Looking at his policies, it seems he does support a type of ethnic cleansing. His plan forces Arabs to become Palestinian citizens, considering the majority of Arab Israeli's, want to stay Israelis. Considering that they''re Extreme right, it's not really surprising. Also, the idea that Muslim has to swear an allegiance to country using is not only a human rights violation, it's unacceptable/

[Aziel]

Looking at his policies, it seems he does support a type of ethnic cleansing. His plan forces Arabs to become Palestinian citizens, considering the majority of Arab Israeli's, want to stay Israelis. Considering that they''re Extreme right, it's not really surprising. Also, the idea that Muslim has to swear an allegiance to country using is not only a human rights violation, it's unacceptable/

(1) His plan is to give the Triangle and Wadi Ara to Palestine in return of annaxation of the large settlement chuncks into Israel. Therefore 30% of the Arab Israelis will no longer live in Israeli territory. The rest of citizens, Jews and Arabs who live in Israel will have to take an oath for loyelty to the state or something of that sort. It isn't really ethnic cleansing because the plan doesn't advocate transfer or removal of any population.

(2) They are not extreme right at all, although that is what the media claims. Since he supports an independent Palestine he would be considered left or at least paragmatic right, but no way he is extreme right. The image of extreme right is given to him only because of his tough stance to any support of Arab Israelis in movement like Hamas and/or Fatah, or any other Palestinian territorist (or so) organization.

(3) Therefore most (70%) of the Arab Israelis will remain inside Israeli territory and will remain citizen.

I think this is very reasnoable plan, and I don't see any reason the Palestinian leadership will reject it.

[k995]

(1) His plan is to give the Triangle and Wadi Ara to Palestine in return of annaxation of the large settlement chuncks into Israel. Therefore 30% of the Arab Israelis will no longer live in Israeli territory. The rest of citizens, Jews and Arabs who live in Israel will have to take an oath for loyelty to the state or something of that sort. It isn't really ethnic cleansing because the plan doesn't advocate transfer or removal of any population.

More like 10% and of those 10% 70-80% dont want to live in west bank.

And how is transfering people and land from 1 country to another not a transfer?

And the oath should be sworn to zionism, not to the state israel.

(2) They are not extreme right at all, although that is what the media claims. Since he supports an independent Palestine he would be considered left or at least paragmatic right, but no way he is extreme right. The image of extreme right is given to him only because of his tough stance to any support of Arab Israelis in movement like Hamas and/or Fatah, or any other Palestinian territorist (or so) organization.

he is extreem right in his actions towards arabs or in his other policies (more police on the streets for example is classic right winged)

(3) Therefore most (70%) of the Arab Israelis will remain inside Israeli territory and will remain citizen.

I think this is very reasnoable plan, and I don't see any reason the Palestinian leadership will reject it.

I do, first those 10% who would be transfered are too low a number, I doubt such a plan would be done for anything less then close to 50% Wich will mean this plan will never be implemented or be changed to include enough arabs to get rid of the demographic threath.

Second it sets a mindset: arabs are unwanted while in fact they are as part of israel as the jews.

third: that 10-50% dont want to be transfered they want to live in israel.

[Burnum]

(1) His plan is to give the Triangle and Wadi Ara to Palestine in return of annaxation of the large settlement chuncks into Israel.

Considering that most Arab Israelis living their oppose this plan, should tell you something. The plan has nothing to do with peace settlement, it just wants to reduce the number of Arabs in Israel.

Therefore 30% of the Arab Israelis will no longer live in Israeli territory.

The Plan basically strip away their citizenship, without even a referendum or any thought about what the Arab Israelis think, very undemocratic.

The rest of citizens, Jews and Arabs who live in Israel will have to take an oath for loyelty to the state or something of that sort.

No, Avigdor Lieberman and his party wants to force Muslims and Christians to swear Allegiance to Jewish state, using Jewish symbols.

It isn't really ethnic cleansing because the plan doesn't advocate transfer or removal of any population.

It is ethnic cleansing, because it's an attempt to make Israel ethnically more homologous.

(2) They are not extreme right at all, although that is what the media claims.

They're extreme right, I am kinda confused about confused about that.

The image of extreme right is given to him only because of his tough stance to any support of Arab Israelis in movement like Hamas and/or Fatah, or any other Palestinian territorist (or so) organization

Maybe it's because of his racism, war hawkish attitude and extreme nationalism.

I think this is very reasnoable plan, and I don't see any reason the Palestinian leadership will reject it.

What about the Arab Israelis? What if they reject it?

[PointOfViewGun]

Not to turn this into a Palestinian thread but I've heard somewhere, which can be completely bogus or I might be remembering wrong, that the Palestinians were a colony of Greeks who were sailors and relocated in that general area.

[Oldgamer]

Not to turn this into a Palestinian thread but I've heard somewhere, which can be completely bogus or I might be remembering wrong, that the Palestinians were a colony of Greeks who were sailors and relocated in that general area.

You're thinking of the Philistines, a very warlike people who terrorized the Hebrews in Old Testament times ... think "Goliath". Indeed, it is the Philistines who have lent their name, as it were, to Palestine ... which never existed except as an area on maps.

[PointOfViewGun]

You're thinking of the Philistines, a very warlike people who terrorized the Hebrews in Old Testament times ... think "Goliath". Indeed, it is the Philistines who have lent their name, as it were, to Palestine ... which never existed except as an area on maps.

Now I remembered. It seem the two only have similar names in common.

Still, the Jews forging their own states from those of others and saying Palestinians are not even a nation so they don't deserve their state is just pathetic.

[Oldgamer]

Now I remembered. It seem the two only have similar names in common.

Still, the Jews forging their own states from those of others and saying Palestinians are not even a nation so they don't deserve their state is just pathetic.

But the fact is that the PALs never were a nation. I don't ague for "might makes right", but defeating the PALs and several Arab states in 1948 created a situation on the ground that will not be ended, without war and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people on both sides.

Israel is a fact that's not going away without war. Israel is the reality on the ground. Tears for poor Palestine helps no one. The PALs could be helped by the Arab countries in the region, by assimilating them into their societies, but even they don't want them.

Once again, Isael is the reality on the ground in the Holy Land.

[PointOfViewGun]

But the fact is that the PALs never were a nation. I don't ague for "might makes right", but defeating the PALs and several Arab states in 1948 created a situation on the ground that will not be ended, without war and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people on both sides.

Israel is a fact that's not going away without war. Israel is the reality on the ground. Tears for poor Palestine helps no one. The PALs could be helped by the Arab countries in the region, by assimilating them into their societies, but even they don't want them.

Once again, Isael is the reality on the ground in the Holy Land.

I'm not denying the existence of Israel but I deny it's existence in the current way and location it imposes on people that are living in the region. If they go back to the borders they have bought with money then they can do whatever they want. But what they're doing right now and for the past decade is bullying and playing everyone and making itself look like a victim.

Palestinians may not be a nation in the sense we have but it doesn't give Israel the right to deny them their own state. Let alone, Israels aggression towards them made them a nation as they get together under one goal.

It's a matter of politics. Poland was a very power in Europe because it was chosen by some of the supreme powers of Europe and when they saw that Poland was no use to them anymore things changed. But we're in 21st century now and we should be able to do better than that, using millions of people as pawns.

[k995]

But the fact is that the PALs never were a nation. I don't ague for "might makes right", but defeating the PALs and several Arab states in 1948 created a situation on the ground that will not be ended, without war and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people on both sides.

Thats BS , you could have peace in several months, if just both sides would become reasonable.

Altough with the election I doubt seeing that happen in the next couple of years.

Israel is a fact that's not going away without war. Israel is the reality on the ground. Tears for poor Palestine helps no one. The PALs could be helped by the Arab countries in the region, by assimilating them into their societies, but even they don't want them.

Once again, Isael is the reality on the ground in the Holy Land.

Israel is a reality, but not the west bank and gaza and that is where the whole problem is centered about.

And your solution is just as stupid as saying : US and EU could absorb all jews .

Fact is an remains that both sides have equal right to a nation, jews have theirs, its time the palestinians got theirs as wel.